Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #19 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[cluciano63]

If anyone helps find Sierra, it will be AGT's mother. She knows his habits, and his mind better than anyone. We are very predictable creatures, and his past habits can strongly help lead a path to Sierra. His mother must know, or have a very strong idea of where Sierra is. How difficult it must be for her to come forward with this type of information; but she is a good woman I can tell. She will do the right thing. Please pray for her.

Let's hope so. It has been a while since the arrest-if she knows anything or can provide LE any info, I hope she will do so. Sierra's parent's should not have to go through this if she can help give them peace. I don't believe he will do anything to help LE or her family. I don't know how any family members can hold back info, if they have it, when it could bring a missing person home to be buried with respect.

 

[GrainneDhu]

If anyone helps find Sierra, it will be AGT's mother. She knows his habits, and his mind better than anyone. We are very predictable creatures, and his past habits can strongly help lead a path to Sierra. His mother must know, or have a very strong idea of where Sierra is. How difficult it must be for her to come forward with this type of information; but she is a good woman I can tell. She will do the right thing. Please pray for her.

I'm not so sure AGT's mother would have that insight into his mind; it's obvious that AGT was keeping some very black secrets from his mother.

I think he was very, very careful to show her only the "good son" side of his character while he was up to things she had not the faintest idea he was doing.

I hope she can talk him into doing the right thing but I hold no great hope it will work.

 

[OldSteve]

It seems it would be easier to bury a body then to try to submerge a body in water.
Are the searchers looking for earth disturbances. i.e. Brown grass where everything else is green, dirt were everything else is brown, boulders out of place. With the weather so dry look for what is unnatural for the surrounding.

I always felt this as well. We were never told why so much searching of water was taking place... maybe it was felt because Sierra's Juicy bag was left in the field without really being hidden, LE figured this was done as ruse to keep them searching land, rather than water...

 

[OldSteve]

If anyone helps find Sierra, it will be AGT's mother. She knows his habits, and his mind better than anyone. We are very predictable creatures, and his past habits can strongly help lead a path to Sierra. His mother must know, or have a very strong idea of where Sierra is. How difficult it must be for her to come forward with this type of information; but she is a good woman I can tell. She will do the right thing. Please pray for her.

Great point! Even if his mother has not clue to her whereabouts, it appears AGT has tried to keep his dark side hidden from his mother, which also means he wants his mother to think good of him. So if anyone can convince him to speak, she could. Only problem will be his lawyer (if he has a new one) telling not too since it could be used as a bargaining chip.:banghead:

 

[Tuba]

A.G.-T. is certainly given to repeat behavior, roses. We know he punches both men and women from the crimes Morgan Hill Police have stamped with his name. We know that he likes to attack from behind. We know he favors the Safeway parking lot. All of this assumes the police have convincing evidence against him in these charge sheets. The videos from various points in Sierra's community might reveal some habitual runs in his car. Could those videos point to areas where A.G.-T. took his victim?

 

[Niner]

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[rosesfromangels]

A.G.-T. is certainly given to repeat behavior, roses. We know he punches both men and women from the crimes Morgan Hill Police have stamped with his name. We know that he likes to attack from behind. We know he favors the Safeway parking lot. All of this assumes the police have convincing evidence against him in these charge sheets. The videos from various points in Sierra's community might reveal some habitual runs in his car. Could those videos point to areas where A.G.-T. took his victim?

I'm sitting here trying to think of how he would have disposed of her body. I just can't get this whole Safeway connection out of my mind. What did he do there? Checkout? BTW, did the Lamar's shop there? How did he originally spot Sierra; do we know? This is horrid/morbid speculation, but could he have accessed tools the butchers used? Were any of those things missing? Who are his close friends, his best friends? What do they do for a living (if they work). Do we think he did this alone? Seems unlikely.

 

[JDB]

I'm sitting here trying to think of how he would have disposed of her body. I just can't get this whole Safeway connection out of my mind. What did he do there? Checkout? BTW, did the Lamar's shop there? How did he originally spot Sierra; do we know? This is horrid/morbid speculation, but could he have accessed tools the butchers used? Were any of those things missing? Who are his close friends, his best friends? What do they do for a living (if they work). Do we think he did this alone? Seems unlikely.

By time the Sierra moved to Morgan Hill AGT was no longer working at Safeway. So I highly doubt she was left at Safeway. I also highly doubt she is in a body of water. As she would have surfaced by now I would think. And I highly doubt he will tell his Mom anything as that is confirming his Guilt.
I also suspect this case will never be tried in Santa Clara County. They will ask and be granted a change of venue if it even goes to court. JMHO

 

[katydid23]

Because of some of his prior jobs, tree trimmer and scrapper, I think he might know of some large industrial dumpsters in the area. I think , sadly, he may have camoflauged her well enough to hide her in a landfill somewhere. I am afraid she will never be found.

 

[rosesfromangels]

By time the Sierra moved to Morgan Hill AGT was no longer working at Safeway. So I highly doubt she was left at Safeway. I also highly doubt she is in a body of water. As she would have surfaced by now I would think. And I highly doubt he will tell his Mom anything as that is confirming his Guilt.
I also suspect this case will never be tried in Santa Clara County. They will ask and be granted a change of venue if it even goes to court. JMHO

Did dirtbag Scott petersen or Richard Allen Davis get their trials moved? I really hope it stays in Santa Clara county.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Because of some of his prior jobs, tree trimmer and scrapper, I think he might know of some large industrial dumpsters in the area. I think , sadly, he may have camoflauged her well enough to hide her in a landfill somewhere. I am afraid she will never be found.

There are what seems like endless industrial lots in that area. It's a difficult search. I think they have it narrowed down tho. I think they have info that will come out in trial.

 

[Sunday]

I can't believe that no one has talked yet. I certainly hope they have enough to hang the dirtbag. Perhaps once he realizes he is going to go to death row he will decide to divulge what he did with Sierra.

I am nearly 100% certain he acted alone, hence the reason no one has ratted him out for the reward. It is also quite apparent from the police sketches that he was responsible for the previous attacks, in each case where he also acted alone.

 

[JDB]

Did dirtbag Scott petersen or Richard Allen Davis get their trials moved? I really hope it stays in Santa Clara county.

Yes Scott's if yo recall was supposed to be in Stantislaus(sp) county. And was held in San Mateo County. Richard Allen Davis was supposed to be in Marin county and was held in Santa Clara. To many high profile cases where emotions are high such as this one is are moved because of fear of not getting a fair trial. Which IMO is the correct way to do things in the search for justice.
Remember the BART Grants case was moved from Alameda county to Los Angeles for this very reason.

 

[OldSteve]

I'm sitting here trying to think of how he would have disposed of her body. I just can't get this whole Safeway connection out of my mind. What did he do there? Checkout? BTW, did the Lamar's shop there? How did he originally spot Sierra; do we know? This is horrid/morbid speculation, but could he have accessed tools the butchers used? Were any of those things missing? Who are his close friends, his best friends? What do they do for a living (if they work). Do we think he did this alone? Seems unlikely.

I'm with you about the Safeway - and believed LE should have checked it out with cadaver dogs...
Perhaps I've seen too many ID crime shows in which victims were disposed of dumpsters that a perp had access/familiarity with because it was where he worked...
But is quick disposal really what a wants? Don't like being morbid - but thinking about perps who preserve there victims using a refrigerators they have in a storage unit somewhere...

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, this guy had to dispose of Sierra in broad daylight...and that is one reason why it did not involved Safeway. He had to find an isolated spot quickly and return to his usual routine as quickly as possible, whatever that may have been.

The only way I will believe he drove around with Sierra's body in the car is if we find out that they have proof of Sierra being deceased in the trunk (which I do hope they have...)

 

[OldSteve]

IMO, this guy had to dispose of Sierra in broad daylight...and that is one reason why it did not involved Safeway. He had to find an isolated spot quickly and return to his usual routine as quickly as possible, whatever that may have been.

The only way I will believe he drove around with Sierra's body in the car is if we find out that they have proof of Sierra being deceased in the trunk (which I do hope they have...)

Rethinking this.... okay, I agree, forget the Safeway... I'm now thinking because it happened on a Friday, this was something he planned and had a place picked out ahead of time where he was going to keep her for a time... (don't like saying that).

 

[TxLady2]

I'm sitting here trying to think of how he would have disposed of her body. I just can't get this whole Safeway connection out of my mind. What did he do there? Checkout? BTW, did the Lamar's shop there? How did he originally spot Sierra; do we know? This is horrid/morbid speculation, but could he have accessed tools the butchers used? Were any of those things missing? Who are his close friends, his best friends? What do they do for a living (if they work). Do we think he did this alone? Seems unlikely.

BBM. I don't think he could have easily accessed the butchers' tools. My husband used to be a meat cutter for a large grocery store. They kept all their tools in lockers when they were not using them. Every meat cutter had to have their own tools. Hubby still has his. Not saying this is true of every store, some may even borrow each others' tools until they can buy their own, but I think they keep them locked away when not in use. Those big knives and saws, etc. are not cheap.

 

[TxLady2]

I'm with you about the Safeway - and believed LE should have checked it out with cadaver dogs...
Perhaps I've seen too many ID crime shows in which victims were disposed of dumpsters that a perp had access/familiarity with because it was where he worked...
But is quick disposal really what a wants? Don't like being morbid - but thinking about perps who preserve there victims using a refrigerators they have in a storage unit somewhere...

OMG! Wouldn't it be weird if he wrapped her body up and hung it in the cooler at one of the stores??? Surely he wouldn't be that stupid!!
A dumpster is also likely, he could have used one that gets lots of trash dumped into it on a daily basis and gets picked up every day or couple of days. She could be in a trash bag inside another bag, or an old suitcase or even a cardboard box. People that pick up the dumpsters to empty are not going to think much of an unusual smell, especially if it hasn't been there much more than a few hours or a day.
She could be anywhere, really, and while he could have been very inventive as to places to hide her body, I think she will be found or he will eventually tell them where she is. They are going to pressure him, offer him a deal, do anything they can to get it out of him, because they've got a much better case if they find the body than if they don't. And IMO, his mother wouldn't have any more insight about where she is than any of us here. He thinks he's been framed, remember? He isn't going to tell Mama!!

 

[Tuba]

Where I live there are graveyards which have fallen into disuse & neglect. No one visits the plots and they are not maintained. I wonder if there are any in Santa Clara County. It would be a natural burial site but I imagine such ruins would have been searched.

 

[cluciano63]

He had not worked at Safeway in quite a while, right? So how is he accessing their butcher tools, walk-ins, etc.?

I think this Safeway/Sierra idea is getting a bit carried away. He seemed to have used Safeway as a stalking/attack locale, but he did not need to do that with Sierra. I do not believe he has any special "bond" with Safeway...