Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #4 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[voxrock2000]

I just don't see any abductor stopping to undress her and fold the clothes so close to the scene. It does not make sense to stop in the area for any reason. It would have taken a few minutes at least, and during the morning rush hour who knows how many cars would be out. IMO it had to be spare clothes tossed from a moving vehicle. Unless, as originally reported they were 'secreted' to some degree. Dogs aside, I still feel she went to some 'meeting point', stashed her bag and was picked up there. It should be easy to tell if the bag was tossed from a moving car, there would be scuff marks and some degree if disarray of the contents.

My most likely scenario has her arranging a meeting, going to a meeting point and leaving her bag, getting in a vehicle and having her phone taken and tossed. The fact the phone was tossed from the car indicates a hasty escape that is not consistent with undressing and folding her clothes, putting them in a bag an leaving them behind. If she was being taken to Rt 1 on the coast there is a road through the hills that would have been an easier place to dump personal belongings without being seen. JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

Lot of posters have mentioned that Sierra is just an average "normal" teen...but to me, her life was anything but normal, at least of late...her dad having served time for sexual charges, having to move away, which possibly prompted the need for counseling if another poster is correct, at least one reference to running away, her paper on teen depression, and of course, references to drug use, sex, etc. on her SM, as well as some kind of a problem with at least one other girl.

All of that probably would profile her as someone likely to run away, as well as someone likely to be approached by a predator. I do think the person, if there is one, would have made first contact via computer/electronics and there should be a record of it, only it may take some time to find.

All JMO of course.

 

[houndstooth]

Actually, for a minor, it is a criminal offense to run away in many states. And it is also a criminal offense for anyone 18+ to help them in anyway (i.e. giving them a ride anywhere, letting a minor stay with them, etc.)

Plus, this case is not a run away. She is 15 and has been gone for 11 days. No one has said if she had money, but at 15, I doubt she had much cash.

The chances of her still being alive are slim to none.

I was listening to an interview with David Paulides the other night.
Author of "Missing-411".
He said there is no law on the books about, or a crime against being a missing person.
That's what I was basing my statement on.

 

[liltexans]

Investigators have said Sierra has a "very good relationship" with her mother, her mother's boyfriend and her father.

They say there is no indication she is a runaway.

Her father Steve LaMar did his own physical search of canyons in Morgan Hill over the weekend, but found nothing.

"I'm just desperate," Steve LaMar said.

Klaas Kids Foundation is also joining the effort.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/312514/28/Search-for-Sierra-LaMar-enters-11th-day

 

[Knox]

Morning all just catching up. I find the whole facebook thing that gngr~snap posted about interesting. IIRC, Sierra made some comments about not liking fb anymore. Around that same time the young man who tweeted about LE waking him up, said the same thing. Probably just a coincidence, but it makes me wonder if there was something going on, maybe some fighting, threats being made?

 

[sarx]

Just a bump in case anyone is looking for the SAR thread.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166791&page=5
This is for SAR related talk only.

 

[nutkin]

I was listening to an interview with David Paulides the other night.
Author of "Missing-411".
He said there is no law on the books about, or a crime against being a missing person.
That's what I was basing my statement on.

It most states it is a "status law," where the minor running away will first be put on probation and then would be put into a facility if it continued. Also, in California, truancy laws would be violated as well.

 

[nutkin]

If an online predator did abduct her, it may not really be so easy to find out who it is. There are so many places where a person can walk into a library or university or internet cafe and be anyone they want to be online. It is true anonymity.

Also, simple prepaid phones can be bought by anyone and cannot really be tracked that well, especially information about who purchased/used it.

 

[LinasK]

I just don't see any abductor stopping to undress her and fold the clothes so close to the scene. It does not make sense to stop in the area for any reason. It would have taken a few minutes at least, and during the morning rush hour who knows how many cars would be out. IMO it had to be spare clothes tossed from a moving vehicle. Unless, as originally reported they were 'secreted' to some degree. Dogs aside, I still feel she went to some 'meeting point', stashed her bag and was picked up there. It should be easy to tell if the bag was tossed from a moving car, there would be scuff marks and some degree if disarray of the contents.

My most likely scenario has her arranging a meeting, going to a meeting point and leaving her bag, getting in a vehicle and having her phone taken and tossed. The fact the phone was tossed from the car indicates a hasty escape that is not consistent with undressing and folding her clothes, putting them in a bag an leaving them behind. If she was being taken to Rt 1 on the coast there is a road through the hills that would have been an easier place to dump personal belongings without being seen. JMO.

I don't think the abductor folded her clothes, I think he forced her to strip, and she folded them. Also the fact they are searching so close indicates to me that he could had had his way with her in any number of nearby fields. Sarx said that the weeds/grasses are high right now because of the rains, and she lives is a very remote area. A jealous female is possible, but I'm leaning toward stranger abduction/migrant worker. That's my gut feeling.
Besides, if you're driving to LA, Highway 1, while scenic, is NOT the road of choice, it will take forever, you take I-5!!!

 

[calamityjane831]

There was a post last night here, about her Twitter, where she said back in February that she doesn't cheer anymore.

If that was something that just happened, or she was letting them in on "old news" is not clear.

Yes Sierra tweeted she was happy to not be cheering anymore. I will find the link. It was on an earlier thread.

 

[nutkin]

The abductor could have folded the clothes (if they were the ones she was wearing) at whatever site he took her and then dumped the purse off later on. No one was searching for her until that evening, so no one would really be looking for something suspicious.

Why would they dump the purse later? Could just be the perp's "thing." If this is a serial offender, they need to do things a certain way to get fulfillment from it.

 

[nursebeeme]

It's not a criminal offense to "go missing".
I have seen nothing so far in this case to indicate a crime
has been commited, yet.
Have you?

1) the fact that a child is missing from the end of her driveway and it is not in her nature to run away
2) *possible* urine on the clothing in the bag
3) bag and phone found but not Sierra
4) dog lost her scent at the end of the driveway
5) she had plans for coming weekends

these are the few of the things that altogether lend me to the thought that this could be a crime and someone took Sierra vs any other sort of scenario:moo:

 

[houndstooth]

Yes Sierra tweeted she was happy to not be cheering anymore. I will find the link. It was on an earlier thread.

Yes. After she said she didn't cheer anymore it was followed by "lol".

Now by that she either meant the idea of being "a cheerleader" was a joke
to her now. Or it was way "old news".

Hard to say.

 

[Paulette]

and the tweet at 5:32 pm 3/15/12
about how you made me "feel" when I'm done with you
you'll feel the same (paraphrased)

IOW You'll be sorry when I'm gone.
15 hours later she WAS!
coincidence?

I read that too. Saved that entire page that just disappeared into the ether.

Knox put up a grand map of her house & surroundings, (which also disappeared) that clearly showed warehouses not too far from her house.

Lots of people would have seen her walking & waiting for the bus - everyday.

I'm just not going to buy that she wasn't spotted standing at that bus stop - day after day by workers.

 

[gngr~snap]

I noticed in her tweets she was a runner and listened to music while running. I find it odd if she was headed to school that her ear buds were not mentioned being found with the cell or in the bag.
I bet she was listening to music at the bus stop.
moo

 

[houndstooth]

1) the fact that a child is missing from the end of her driveway and it is not in her nature to run away
2) *possible* urine on the clothing in the bag
3) bag and phone found but not Sierra
4) dog lost her scent at the end of the driveway
5) she had plans for coming weekends

these are the few of the things that altogether lend me to the thought that this could be a crime and someone took Sierra vs any other sort of scenario:moo:

The only real indication of a crime would be "the urine".
But, I am in the camp of the word "secreted" being misinterpreted by the press reading the hand-out.

She had "plans" to go to LA, too.
That would trump a hair appointment she never mentioned.
She said "she wanted to get her hair done".

The fact that Marc Klaas and her Dad stated two different days makes me think this was an assumed hair "appointment" for the next time she went to Fremont to visit Dad. Based mostly on her sister's statements which I would consider more clued in about such things than two guys.

 

[sarx]

Can anyone clarify if her last name is Lamar or LaMar? TIA

 

[calamityjane831]

Not all kidnappers are criminal masterminds. If someone high on drugs took her, they wouldn't be thinking too far in advance...just get rid of the stuff. JMO

Exactly, I saw on Nancy Grace when Nancy was covering the possible remains of Hailey Dunn, anyway one of the experts on her panel said something that made things clear for me. A sociopath is not a planner per say. The perp does the crime, tries to cover it up to a certain degree but it is not perfectly planned out. Then the perp uses lies and manipulation, deceit to try to get themselves free of any connection to the crime.

I see this in crime after crime. Yes of course there are exceptions to every rule. Thank God so many are not planners and the crimes get solved. These type of people that commit these horrible crimes are not rational and do not think rationally.

 

[Sjsleuth83]

The abductor could have folded the clothes (if they were the ones she was wearing) at whatever site he took her and then dumped the purse off later on. No one was searching for her until that evening, so no one would really be looking for something suspicious.

Why would they dump the purse later? Could just be the perp's "thing." If this is a serial offender, they need to do things a certain way to get fulfillment from it.

Still doesn't pan out to me. How often would someone hang around the area if they grabbed her? And would they really return to the area later on to dump a purse for no reason?

There is so much open area around there. If they already had her in the car, why not get away from her home, and why not dump the bag somewhere else where nobody would find it.

I still think the clothes were already in the bag, and the bag was THROWN within a matter of minutes of her being picked up.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

But, if someone on drugs took her, they would have rummaged through her purse looking for money or other valuables. They also probably would've recognized that her purse and phone were valuable and held onto them to sell/trade for drugs.

Even the most strung out crackhead would do this.

Not every drug user is desperate for money. Maybe she tried to use her phone and it was grabbed and thrown out the window. Maybe she tried to get something out if her purse and then it was tossed. Who knows? I just really doubt it was staged. JMO