Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #4 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[gngr~snap]

Can anyone clarify if her last name is Lamar or LaMar? TIA

LaMar I believe, That's how the friends wrote it anyway.

 

[sindydee]

I actually disagree. If the phone was on the ground in that same location from around 7:30 until it was found, then there should be no reason to focus in on the area around the house more.

This would support that she was alive and traveling away from the home.

Now if the phone was in a different spot at different times until its discover, then that would be a reason to think something more happened near the home.

Based on the evidence we have, for all we know, she made it to the bus stop, and then was offered a ride. As they were driving away someone threw her phone out the window.

If this were the case, there would be no crime scene or anything useful in the proximity around the house.

So I think there still must be other evidence leading them to believe that there is something near the house.

This brings up a big question for me. This is still considred a "missing person's" case. They have evidence from her purse which could indicate that she was possibly removed from her clothing and all he possessions, and they've been searching around her house a lot. Is it normal to keep it as a "missing person" when there is a lot of evidence to suggest abduction?

I was thinking along the lines of :- the dogs only tracked her scent to the end of the driveway, so something may have happened to her there.

If there had been movement on the phone then that may indicate the phone moving further out of the area, and the police going to and searching for evidence in the area the phone had been in. (which - they may have done)

If the phone had been lay where until it was found with no movement, to me this would indicate that the phone had been tossed at the earliest available opportunity, meaning something had happened to Sierra between the driveway where the dogs lost her scent and where the phone was found. (which was approx 2 miles) and this is the area the police have been searching in.

 

[nutkin]

Still doesn't pan out to me. How often would someone hang around the area if they grabbed her? And would they really return to the area later on to dump a purse for no reason?

There is so much open area around there. If they already had her in the car, why not get away from her home, and why not dump the bag somewhere else where nobody would find it.

I still think the clothes were already in the bag, and the bag was THROWN within a matter of minutes of her being picked up.

Because psychopaths don't make sense to normal, rational people. They are feeding a fantasy. The Oakland County Child Killer laundered and neatly re-dressed his victims after murdering them horrifically. That made absolutely no sense at all. But, he needed to do it.

 

[nutkin]

Not every drug user is desperate for money. Maybe she tried to use her phone and it was grabbed and thrown out the window. Maybe she tried to get something out if her purse and then it was tossed. Who knows? I just really doubt it was staged. JMO

I don't particularly think it was staged either. But, this wasn't a druggie. I've seen crackheads steal screen doors or a used candle and try to trade them for drugs. An addict isn't going to toss anything they deem valuable.

 

[nutkin]

Also, her phone was a Samsung Galaxy, which is a phone with a SIM card (carriers AT&T or T-Mobile). The perp could have just removed the battery and/or SIM card. He could have just smashed the phone. But, it was thrown out into a field.

The same idea with the purse. It could've been put in a dumpster somewhere and then taken to a landfill and never found. But, no, it was tossed in another field.

 

[ccane]

LaMar I believe, That's how the friends wrote it anyway.

LaMar

 

[LisaB]

This is still something I am having trouble digesting.
The idea that her purse and phone throws off a search.

So what IS the point of leaving evidence to be found?

It seems to me to point to making it seem like something it isn't.

Sorry if this has been covered, but I expected it was to eliminate the "pings" from the cell phone that would lead them in the direction the abductor took her. Throwing out the purse was probably just a precaution.

 

[nutkin]

I think LE leaving open the possibility that she just ran away is an attempt to get the perp to contact them. Since he left "clues," it might annoy him that no one has found her body yet.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Neatly folded clothes still leads me to female kidnapper...of course not completely.
But Military personnel is a logical thought, and one I had not thought of! Good thinking!

I was listening to an interview with David Paulides the other night.
Author of "Missing-411".
He said there is no law on the books about, or a crime against being a missing person.
That's what I was basing my statement on.

O/T..was the interview on Coast to Coast?
I listened to it for a little bit before I fell asleep.LOL
Sounded interesting!

 

[Hisimage]

So lets for a minute forget what was in the bag and say this: Two things she really enjoyed: her bag ( a nice one) and of course as most teens her phone.

So if it were someone that was angry at her or jealous-and she was set up by a female have some have suggested,or maybe a group of them they get her in the car and can hardly even wait because they are jealous and they toss her phone and her purse. What do they do now? Do they panic oh my gosh we didn't think this far? Does mommy or daddy have a vacation home somewhere?

Have I watched too many lifetime movies?
I will ask again..... what about other absentees that day at school? I wonder if that has been checked?

 

[nursebeeme]

More than 200 people gathered Tuesday morning in Santa Clara County to help search for missing teen Sierra LaMar.

:woohoo:

On Monday, Santa Clara County Sheriff Sgt. Jose Cardoza told the San Jose Mercury News that he had no updates in the case. Tips about other attempted abductions and possible sightings of Sierra so far have been unfounded, he told the newspaper.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/03/volunteers-search-for-missing-morgan-hill-girl.html

 

[JDB]

Also, her phone was a Samsung Galaxy, which is a phone with a SIM card (carriers AT&T or T-Mobile). The perp could have just removed the battery and/or SIM card. He could have just smashed the phone. But, it was thrown out into a field.

The same idea with the purse. It could've been put in a dumpster somewhere and then taken to a landfill and never found. But, no, it was tossed in another field.

ANd do we know for a fact she did not toss the phone or bag yet NO!!! Also as far as the Purse or bag however you want to call it. I still say it was placed not tossed other wise the clothes would not have still been neatly folded as they were found. Also I still feel both items were tossed from the passenger side of the car. Becuase if thrown from the driver side they would have crossed at least one lane of traffic to get where they were found.

 

[nutkin]

ANd do we know for a fact she did not toss the phone or bag yet NO!!! Also as far as the Purse or bag however you want to call it. I still say it was placed not tossed other wise the clothes would not have still been neatly folded as they were found. Also I still feel both items were tossed from the passenger side of the car. Becuase if thrown from the driver side they would have crossed at least one lane of traffic to get where they were found.

Is it a one-way street? If not, the car could have been headed in the opposite direction of what you are thinking.

If she were worried about being located based on her phone, she likely would remove the battery/SIM card rather than throw the phone in the field for it to be destroyed. And why would she need to hide the purse if she were running away? Especially if she were in a car?

 

[JDB]

:woohoo:



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/03/volunteers-search-for-missing-morgan-hill-girl.html

That is double the amount that showed up on Saturday. Shows you how much this area want Sierra found. Dang work anywho:banghead:

 

[houndstooth]

Sorry if this has been covered, but I expected it was to eliminate the "pings" from the cell phone that would lead them in the direction the abductor took her. Throwing out the purse was probably just a precaution.

If I am the perp, what would I do?
I'd probably have her toss it in the rose bushes by the gate.
Or somewhere along the street she lived on.
I wouldn't drive even a mile with her phone.
She could have 911 on speed dial!
I wouldn't know.

Just saying.

 

[nursebeeme]

"neatly folded" could also refer to the positioning of the clothes inside the bag (tossed or not)

re: not wadded up, inside out, akimbo, etc...

I think it was sarx (???) who said to think of the way your luggage comes off of an airplane after being thrown all around by baggage handlers... the clothing is still folded. (if it wasn't sarx than thanks to whomever else posted that thought)

jmhoo, but I think the bag was tossed from a car, as was the phone, on the egress :moo:

 

[houndstooth]

O/T..was the interview on Coast to Coast?
I listened to it for a little bit before I fell asleep.LOL
Sounded interesting!

Yep.
It was fascinating.

 

[nutkin]

"neatly folded" could also refer to the positioning of the clothes inside the bag (tossed or not)

re: not wadded up, inside out, akimbo, etc...

I think it was sarx (???) who said to think of the way your luggage comes off of an airplane after being thrown all around by baggage handlers... the clothing is still folded. (if it wasn't sarx than thanks to whomever else posted that thought)

jmhoo, but I think the bag was tossed from a car, as was the phone, on the egress :moo:

Exactly. I believe someone also said the purse has hooks inside of it as well. I'm thinking similar to a suit case's hooks.

And I'm thinking the "neatly folded" comment was more LE speaking to the perp rather than giving information to the public. Because really, what does the public need that info for? It doesn't help them look for suspicious activity. It doesn't keep them safer. It is extraneous information.

 

[GrainneDhu]

On the other hand, if a "perp" had taken them to the other side of Gilroy or
smack dab in the middle of downtown San Jose, we wouldn't be talking about this stuff, at all.

The point to me is, WHOEVER, wanted them found, that's why they are so close to home.
Just not right away.

I think whoever tossed them really didn't care, just so long as they were not found immediately.

As described by people who have actually driven that road within the last few days, the traffic moves fairly briskly and a stopped car would stand out, which argues against any sort of careful placement.

I just keep getting back to the fact that cellphones can be located via ping or GPS and there are increasing numbers of kids walking around with GPS locators in their totes/backpacks/whatever. If I were a perpetrator, one of my top priorities would be to get rid of any possible such item as quickly as possible.

I wouldn't want to risk carrying it along a road or past a business that might have security cameras whose footage could be coordinated with locator data.

Just get rid of it as soon as possible and in such a way that it probably won't be discovered for at least 30 minutes or so.

 

[Janeumayer]

Here you go: