Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #4 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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  • #621
I haven't been following this case for very long, but I had a couple thoughts while reading up on this case and then looking at her social media added a few more, but in all of the available info there is one thing that really stands out IMO.
The most eye catching thing to me so far is the finding of her bag and then the delay in reporting that a bag was found. Some reports suggest that her parents did confirm the contents of the bag were hers, while other reports suggest that LE did not reveal this find because it took them awhile to confirm the bag was hers. This is the first red flag IMO. Keeping in mind LE already had a good idea what items to be looking for and they were going to verify it's contents regardless of her family telling them that the items are hers. You find the bag, check for anything unusual, if nothing unusual you immediately try to verify it is hers (showing to her parents may be a way a quick and easy way.) If you do find something unusual, you then take the necessary steps to ensure that information does not come out right away. After four days of holding onto the bag, there may have been some trepidation in even releasing that find. To make it seem more obscured, LE seems to be playing a little game with the bag and its contents through the media. It could of been, her bag was found but we do not wish to discuss that any further at this time, but that is not what we are being offered.
The timing of releasing that her bag was found and the timing of reports of the FBI becoming involved is not a coincidence. I fear this case has taken a turn for the worst because the FBI does not get involved in suspected runaways, but they do get involved in suspected abductions.
IMO there is certainly something going on with this bag, it does not appear to be as simple as her bag was tossed and that is all we know. Also, I think it would be a safe assumption that her friends at school would know when/why she carried extra clothes with her, did she usually have another purse/bag with her, etc... I also wonder if she had a habit of sharing clothes or other items that could be found in a purse with her friends, that bag could be a buffet of evidence, probably most of it not in any way related to her being missing.
Then we add in the other discrepancy of the bag being tossed or secreted away and I would say this bag may hold more clues than the public is being led to believe. Here is the quote (from a news clip) from LE on the Nancy Grace show- The reason the information wasn`t immediately made available to the public was because we had to confirm that the clothes did belong to Sierra, and we had to do some further investigative follow-up on that. Through confirmation from Sierra`s family and through some of the investigative efforts, we have now confirmed that those clothes and the bag did belong to Sierra.-
Take notice to the descriptions that LE was giving about the bag the next 2-3 days after the info was public. The array of attributed quotes from LE is the they found a bag and confirmed it was hers, another reported quote says they found the juicy brand bag and clothes inside, another report said juicy brand bag and clothes folded neatly inside, another report said neatly folded clothes with bra and underwear inside the purse. (Many other MSM articles are floating around.)
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/22/clothes-found-in-bag-belong-to-missing-
california-teen-police-say/
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Search-for-Missing-Sierra-LaMar-Intensifies-
Saturday-144108536.html
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/23/ng.01.html
Okay, so let me try to recap what is being said here. LE says that they had found her bag (keeping in mind this particular type of bag is not commonly found laying in the ditch/grass and they were already aware she had a similar bag) and it took them four days to confirm it was her's, through her family AND through investigative efforts. In the Nancy Grace interview, several days after the LE release of info, her mother claims to have not seen this bag after it was found.
What would make sense to me, is if there was some type of obvious evidence found on the bag/clothes and LE wanted to make sure they were ahead of the game before they released that info. Otherwise, you just have a bag with clothes that anyone in LE/searchers with basic information on this case would say there is a 99% chance that is her bag right away.
Is anyone else sensing a vibe that LE is trying to send out mixed messages about this
bag? What possible messages could they be sending out about this bag. Most likely
something they think that only the abductor may understand? I think where there is
smoke, there is fire.


That's what I've been saying. Using the phrase "neatly folded" and the term "secreted," was meant for the perp. The FBI does try to use the media to communicate with offenders in hopes that they will try and communicate back with them in some way, especially if they believe it may be a serial offender.

They may deliberately give inaccurate information to upset the perp.
 
  • #622
I thought that, too.
Then I noticed her mom said something about she liked being a cheerleader
because of school spirit.

Her mom said she frequently carried that bag.
So she must have packed clothes in whichever bag she was using on a given day?
Or just days when she went to cheerleading practice?

Is that your understanding?

I believe she was a cheerleader at her previous school, but due to moving to a new school after try-outs had been held and a squad picked, she might have had to wait until next season to join in. Losing the status of having been a cheerleader, on top of being the new kid may have been a lot for her to handle if she was used to being popular.
 
  • #623
It's not a criminal offense to "go missing".
I have seen nothing so far in this case to indicate a crime
has been commited, yet.
Have you?

I think the bag and the cell phone indicate a crime has been committed. imo
 
  • #624
Doesn't LE have any kind of duty to the public to let them know if they feel there is a violent/serial offender involved, especially after so much time has passed? I have not seen any real warnings of any type issues.
 
  • #625
When I first read of the "secreted" bag I thought she had hidden the bag there with intentions of coming back later to get it OR she hid it there for a friend.

I used to hide my rain boots in a lot on the way to school because I was ashamed of them. I would pick them up on the way home and put them back on. If she was NOT supposed to be wearing something per her mom or if she was changing in to something more suitable for going elsewhere - she could have left her bag "secreted" away with the intent of getting changed back in to her regular clothes later that day.

Possibly she was only going to be gone for the day or maybe the weekend and was going to meet somebody and was wearing something "grown up" and once the media caught wind of her disappearance, she was afraid to contact her family. She may be hiding out due to fear or guilt.
 
  • #626
Paulette, I asked that question early on of Sarx about the trail to the bus if she had just walked there the day before...

sarx said the dogs are trained to tell between fresh scent and older scent. (he explained it like a bouquet of roses.. if you put out an old one and a fresh one your nose can tell the fresher one)

I hope I got that right sarx!
See, you don't even need me anymore!
 
  • #627
See, you don't even need me anymore!

Yes we do !!! Your such a good teacher :woohoo:

Teach me to sneak in from Work
 
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Today show video. Sheriff Laurie Smith states her books were in her the bag found

msnbc.com Video Player
around the 1:04 mark
 
  • #630
Doesn't LE have any kind of duty to the public to let them know if they feel there is a violent/serial offender involved, especially after so much time has passed? I have not seen any real warnings of any type issues.


No, because that may incite panic. Besides, in some cities, they'd constantly be issuing warnings to the public. In cases like this, they'd rather keep some information close to the belt.
 
  • #631
See, you don't even need me anymore!

are you kidding me..... I am in sarx kindergarten and haven't even graduated from that yet!:rocker:
 
  • #632
Her bus driver should be able to confirm if she always rode the bus or not. The buses in my area even have video surveillance cameras at the front and rear.

This is a long shot, but I wonder if any of the bus footage from the past week(s) before she went missing might reveal a suspicious vehicle. If it was a stalker and/or a planned abduction, the perp might have been following her for quite some time before they decided to grab her.
 
  • #633
Are the searchers also searching in the opposite direction from where Sierra's belongings were found?

It doesn't make sense that he belongings were found so easily. Could the things have been placed where they were to throw everyone off, and then the abductors go in the opposite direction? Just a thought.

*Now I will catch up before asking any other questions!
 
  • #634
If SAR dogs have been taken to where the bag was found wouldn't they be able to pick up her scent there or would her scent be transferable because of the bag? Basically, is there anyway of telling if she herself was there?
 
  • #635
Are the searchers also searching in the opposite direction from where Sierra's belongings were found?

It doesn't make sense that he belongings were found so easily. Could the things have been placed where they were to throw everyone off, and then the abductors go in the opposite direction? Just a thought.

*Now I will catch up before asking any other questions!
short answer, yes they have.
 
  • #636
If SAR dogs have been taken to where the bag was found wouldn't they be able to pick up her scent there or would her scent be transferable because of the bag? Basically, is there anyway of telling if she herself was there?

They tried that I believe. I saw a picture of the dogs fanning out from the location where the bag was found. Same thing with the area the cell was found. They did not find anything reportedly.
 
  • #637
No, because that may incite panic. Besides, in some cities, they'd constantly be issuing warnings to the public. In cases like this, they'd rather keep some information close to the belt.

How is that working out for them?
I only ask because we have seen many, many cases where LE keeps it all to themselves and yet never seem to find the victim or solve the case...JMO of course...

Anyway, they are getting all kinds of reports about alleged abductions anyway-which LE is saying are unfounded. People always seem to report these things when something happens.

I am not buying it, personally, that they are "communicating" with the alleged abductor...I just don't think they know what they have here.

JMO of course...but I DO think LE needs to let the public the know if they have any evidence of a stranger abduction of a minor.
 
  • #638
If SAR dogs have been taken to where the bag was found wouldn't they be able to pick up her scent there or would her scent be transferable because of the bag? Basically, is there anyway of telling if she herself was there?
Yes, I am hoping that they took the dogs out to both the cell phone and the bag to see. If it was tossed, they aren't going to follow her trail, cuz, there is none. I'm also hoping that they took the dogs to all the intersections and tried from those as well. I'm pretty sure that they did from what I've heard.
 
  • #639
:what:


:panic:

are you kidding me..... I am in sarx kindergarten and haven't even graduated from that yet!:rocker:

You guys are cracking me up.
That little dude, that's kinda how I feel today (no panic just circle spinning). Perhaps I need to lay off the caffeine? lol
 
  • #640
They tried that I believe. I saw a picture of the dogs fanning out from the location where the bag was found. Same thing with the area the cell was found. They did not find anything reportedly.

So wouldn't that rule out her being the one who dumped the bag?
 
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