Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #6 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[oceanblueeyes]

Are you agreeing to disagree with the dictionary?

Yes, I am because an aquaintance is far from being a friend.

Just a casusal contact in some manner.

 

[90Nine]

I do think it is very possible.

We live in a rural area but on a paved road and I get so damn mad when someone comes by and throws stuff that lands all the way up in our yard. And the road easements on each side is about 15 feet and they still throw crap that lands in our yard. From beer bottles to their empty fast food bags. Grrrrr. I feel like the garbage lady sometime having to pick up their garbage.:banghead: I found a half empty plastic water bottle that was at least 30-35 feet from the roadway in my yard.

Thanks - intersting. Do you agree that it would be someone from the right side of the vehicle? Indicating there could be 2 people, unless he made Sierra throw it? Just curious.

 

[Niner]

oceanblueeyes, I'm not saying that your grandchildren would do this but it is very, very easy to set up more than one FB page. One for show, the other for... well, show too but to a different crowd!

The girly-girl I keep in my attic tells me that one way to find out for sure is to follow the friends from the known FB page and check all of their friends' pages.

Not, she assures me, that SHE would do anything like that. I tell her just so long as she doesn't go looking for mine, I won't go looking for hers. LOL

re bold! :what:

 

[90Nine]

re bold! :what:

She's talking about her alter younger ego

 

[Fishee]

It's quite possible she could've been talking to someone she told no one else about using a "Go" phone... Easily purchased anonymously and untraceable.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks - intersting. Do you agree that it would be someone from the right side of the vehicle? Indicating there could be 2 people, unless he made Sierra throw it? Just curious.

I suppose it could be.

But one time my hubby was in the yard working and a guy came by in a big pick up truck and he threw his beer bottle out his driver's window and it went over the cab of his truck into our yard. He must not have seen my hubby out there working close to the road because he ran and got the beer bottle and pitched it and it landed in the bed of the guy's truck. Talk about the guy taking off fast and the speed limit by our home is only 30 mph. :floorlaugh:

But I imagine most of them are done from the passenger side since that is the side where our yard is.

IMO

 

[90Nine]

I think it is. It can be anyone from the mail person to the power man who she may have known by sight and may have said 'hello' to but knowing them well or even semi well?......I dont think so.

I would never call one of my friends an aquaintance.

IMO

Also, something to remember...they are renting the house. Any number of people could have been associated with that home or still associated with it through the landlord. She may have become acquainted with one of them - easily trusted imo. I'm sure they have thoroughly looked into this though.

Still curious as to the building in the back and what's going on with the neighbors LE said could have taken advantage of Sierra. That hasn't come up again.

 

[Niner]

respectfully snipped to make specific comments...

Here is the full transcript.

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=8591214

March 22 Press Conference

Q: It could have been thrown from a passing car, dropped from a car?

Sgt. Jose Cardoza: Uh, possibilities, but we obviously aren't sure how the bag you know, was found, uh, came about to be there.

but you would think that if the LE searchers found this purse they would have taken pictures of the purse BEFORE they picked it up - correct? :waitasec: but Cardoza is saying they aren't sure HOW the bag was found - am I confused on what he's saying?? :crazy:

It could have been a surprised visit. Since there are no indications she had anything planned that morning except going to school. But with the extra set of clothing it could had been planned before that day but during that week.

but as we have found out in the last couple of days that she DID have plans to meet "someone" before school re homework... thought I'd mention that, since you might have missed it being posted!! :seeya:

okay... back to :lurk: mode...

 

[katydid23]

Thanks - intersting. Do you agree that it would be someone from the right side of the vehicle? Indicating there could be 2 people, unless he made Sierra throw it? Just curious.

We have a member here that has had a paper route for decades. He assures us that it is much easier to throw something out of a moving car from the drivers seat, over the roof, then it is to throw it out the passenger seat window. Something about the arc and torque. :crazy:

 

[90Nine]

We have a member here that has had a paper route for decades. He assures us that it is much easier to throw something out of a moving car from the drivers seat, over the roof, then it is to throw it out the passenger seat window. Something about the arc and torque. :crazy:

Okay, but how fast is he going? LE said in a fast moving vehicle...I'm thinking at least 40 MPH...plus a phone is much smaller.

That's my point. I will stop

 

[BeginnersLuck]

They indicated scratches on the phone. I would think that it would have hit pavement or rocks but I could be wrong. Or fingernail scratches?

Also, another reason why I think the perp quickly left the area after abducting her is he didn't want to be recognized or car seen because of whatever ties he had there. I don't think the deed was done there. I so wish they find her being held somewhere alive.

 

[Sjsleuth83]

The Namus website shows that the text was regarding meeting before to school (at school I believe) to go over some homework. Somewhere a few pages back I posted the direct link to it.

Thanks, I found it. If this is true, I find it a bit interesting. It doesn't seem right to me that she would meet before school to discuss "homework".

Sounds to me like code for something other than "homework".

 

[katydid23]

Okay, but how fast is he going? LE said in a fast moving vehicle...I'm thinking at least 40 MPH...

That's my point. I will stop

I do see what you are getting at. I think I could throw a cell out my drivers side window if I was driving along fast. I would hold the wheel with my right and toss it hard over the car roof with my left. It being small and heavy it would go pretty far.

But the bag ? I cannot see how that was thrown by just the driver. Maybe he made Sierra throw it herself?

 

[Dee226]

It's quite possible she could've been talking to someone she told no one else about using a "Go" phone... Easily purchased anonymously and untraceable.

I was reading her best friend's Twitter page last night, i'll refer to her as "C", and on March 19, her friend says its not her phone, she could still have it with her.
I don't know what to make of that, maybe she did have more than one phone and did make plans with someone.

 

[Sjsleuth83]

We have a member here that has had a paper route for decades. He assures us that it is much easier to throw something out of a moving car from the drivers seat, over the roof, then it is to throw it out the passenger seat window. Something about the arc and torque. :crazy:

I can confirm this, and the speed of the car doesn't really make a difference. You wont throw an item out of a car like a baseball. There is no room to wind up. Assuming the item was found on the right side of the road, you'd either:

A)From the passengers side, you would backhand the item
B)From the driver's side you would do a "hook" shot.

In almost all circumstances it would be easier to use option B IMO.

 

[Ransom]

Does anyone have where it was stated that the phone ended up thirty feet out in the field? I did not realize it ended up that far out. Any MSM on where/how far out the purse ended up?

Go back to post #255. It's in the video of Sgt. Cardoza and a transcript is posted too.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Okay, but how fast is he going? LE said in a fast moving vehicle...I'm thinking at least 40 MPH...

That's my point. I will stop

I won't try to get into a peeing contest here over how easy it is, I will say for 19 years that was the easiest, and most efficient way for me to get the job done and back to my other job, take it for what it's worth, I seldom ever stopped or even slowed down to launch a 30+ pound bundle over the roof unless the banding was weak or some other reason to get out of the vehicle.

I planned my stops so that the store front I was delivering to would be on the right side of my truck in most cases unless the bundle was small, such as some very remote stores in small viallages. I can remember on one particular morning just as winds were moving in from an oncoming storm that I threw a bundle over the roof of my truck and didn't see it land. On my return trip I looked again for it, then spotted it on the store roof. The wind had caught it and carried it there. :floorlaugh:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

That was the entire thing. There was no more "story" to it. Or should I say, the remainder of the story is implied. It was from one of those websites where you can post anonymously get things off your chest. Generally it is stuff like this, or "confessions" of one sort or another.

Thanks...I looked it up after I posted this.
I found the site where people share their secrets.

 

[Niner]

That was the entire thing. There was no more "story" to it. Or should I say, the remainder of the story is implied. It was from one of those websites where you can post anonymously get things off your chest. Generally it is stuff like this, or "confessions" of one sort or another.

just a thought, but I HOPE some of you websleuthers out there are keeping an eye on this site, just in case the perp in this case is reading sites and "sees" this site pop up and does a confession!!

 

[GrainneDhu]

JMO - acquaintance meaning someone that had approached and spoken to her on her way to the bus stop to gain her trust, someone she somehow came in contact with frequently on her way. Had to have ties to that area to know her routine. Someone she had accepted a ride from in the past (her friends should know this). Someone that was aware of the location of the farm workers and the schedules of others in that area.

I don't feel it was anything via social media because they would not have all these details about the area unless they were living or working in that area. I rule out the fact it was someone that she would have been associated with through the internet. They would have found evidence of this, unless they have and are not disclosing it. Sierra would have no reason to try and hide her social media activity because her parents did not police it.

I agree she most likely had her phone in her hand while walking. Whether she willingly got in the car or was forced is up to debate but she trusted the person enough to get close to them and not have her guard up. There are 2 gated entrances in the cul-de-sac to what I will call storage areas, junk yards. Not a big red flag that someone would be down there at one of those. That area is not easily visible from other houses with exception of the one across the street, so I don't find it unusual for her to have been forced. The force verse willingly got in the car is a big one for me because of where the phone was tossed. The route around that area until you get to the point where the phone was thrown has a lot of businesses and homes. So, no struggle until then or perp just waited till he got away from sight to throw things?

The Juicy bag - I beleive the cloths were already in it. Reason why is I beleive she would have fought or the perp would have violently removed them. The perp would not know when people would suspect her missing so would want to get rid of the bag immediately not later and get out of that area to risk not being seen. The way things are laid out I think she was quickly out of that area.

BBM

I agree with most of the above except for the statement I bolded.

I don't think any knowledge of the farm workers's schedule was needed. If the farm workers had been there, the perp would have just gone on.

Same as if one of the neighbours had happened to be pulling out of their driveway at that moment. Just abort for that day, try another day.

After all, there's nothing illegal about driving on a public road, even a cul-de-sac.

So I believe that looking for someone who knows the farm workers's schedule would be unnecessarily limiting the suspect pool.