Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #6 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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My youngest said ooVoo is popular here but i don't know if it is in other areas. She's being punished and not allowed to use her laptop now but i can have her look if it takes too long for the older ones to get home who are 2 hrs away in the city. They have friends in Cali who never heard of ooVoo so may not be used there.

Thank-you. There is no hurry. It was just a thought and I was curious.
Its probably nothing. But wanted to check anyway.

 

[Fishee]

Statistically it's far more likely she left (at least initially) willingly, than not.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

IMO:
She would have one because he gave her one maybe... Perhaps he planned abducting Sierra all along, from day one... At some point in the relationship, he gets her a disposable or tells her to get one... So that their contact can never be traced... He was thinking of his future plans with her,, and she was busy being in love....
Maybe that is why the friend said on twitter that "that wasnt her phone"...perhaps there are two phones she used and LE only found one???

Yes, that could be IMO a very remote possibility. I think she would have mentioned it to someone. If she was in love....so to speak. Her behavior would have changed if/when that started. She would have been sneaking away to meek this person, possibly giddy due to the excitment of this new relationship. I think there would have been signs.

 

[katydid23]

Statistically it's far more likely she left (at least initially) willingly, than not.

maybe statistically, until you add in some of the circumstances. How often do runaways throw their cell phones and change of clothes into a field a mile from home?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Statistically it's far more likely she left (at least initially) willingly, than not.

Willingly as acquaintance via offer of ride to school yes but then very quickly things went wrong.

 

[Fishee]

Willingly as acquaintance via offer of ride to school yes but then very quickly things went wrong.

Sure.

Far more likely than RO.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

Willingly as acquaintance via offer of ride to school yes but then very quickly things went wrong.

I really believe this was a "hey...want a ride?" gone wrong.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

March 12th on her Twitter:

'I want to go to the mall. Someone take me.'

Do kids still hang out at the mall? If so, her acquaintance could have been there. People come from different schools and different ages..some out of school, etc. All the kids went to the mall and hung out when I was in highschool back in the late 80's.

I am curious from this statement if she was allowed to drive with other kids...

I would think at 15 being so close to the age of driving and having friends that drove she would. At that age also I can see her frequently calling mom and saying I'm going to so and so's house after school or we are going to the mall after school. Seems just typical, normal at that age.

 

[thequietman]

I can confirm this, and the speed of the car doesn't really make a difference. You wont throw an item out of a car like a baseball. There is no room to wind up. Assuming the item was found on the right side of the road, you'd either:

A)From the passengers side, you would backhand the item
B)From the driver's side you would do a "hook" shot.

In almost all circumstances it would be easier to use option B IMO.

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Agree from the passenger side a right handed person could not wind up if seated and get it out the window, would have to be backhand and likely not go as far. A lefty from the passenger seat could get it out the window but not go too far. From the driver side there would be almost no way to wind up at get it out the passenger window. So left handed over the top from the driver side even back seat would do it. Thats a moving car. If someone got out momentarily and planted before throwing is something else

 

[Fishee]

h


Agree from the passenger side a right handed person could not wind up if seated and get it out the window, would have to be backhand and likely not go as far. A lefty from the passenger seat could get it out the window but not go too far. From the driver side there would be almost no way to wind up at get it out the passenger window. So left handed over the top from the driver side even back seat would do it. Thats a moving car. If someone got out momentarily and planted before throwing is something else

I've described this before and I've seen it done from both sides; Roll down the window, lean out and sit on the door. Hold onto the inside of the car with one hand and throw with the other. Not a full windup but plenty to throw something like a cellphone a looong way.

It really doesn't take an acrobat.

 

[Coldpizza]

Thank-you. There is no hurry. It was just a thought and I was curious.
Its probably nothing. But wanted to check anyway.

Good to see you posting lately, your input is always appreciated!

 

[thequietman]

Here's another thought...

If she was saavy enough to keep a relationship hidden, she's probably saavy enough to stay in hiding.

Kids think they are save and can fool everyone but not always carefully all the time. Eventually one wrong message sent from the wrong phone, not thinking. It will show up eventually. And nobody is talking about the brand new MAC she got and what's on that

 

[JDB]

Has anyone thought that just maybe that the phone could have been tossed underhanded from the passenger side. You could chuck it quite far that way.

 

[Dee226]

maybe statistically, until you add in some of the circumstances. How often do runaways throw their cell phones and change of clothes into a field a mile from home?

I don't think she ran away. I'm sure she would have had more than one set of clothes with her but if i did consider that, there are things that could support it.

She supposedly takes a photo of herself that morning, did she send that to mom, so many conflicting reports. So mom sees what she's wearing to school. When the bag was found, it's suspected that the shirt from the morning is in the bag.

She makes plans to see her friend at school before school starts but never shows up.

Her phone is found close to her home.

It all points to abduction not a runaway.

On the other hand;
Shoes aren't tossed or in bag or found anywhere. Would someone who made her strip her clothes care about her feet and want her to have them on since they had some rough walking to do? Would he keep them as a trophy when they were also publicized?

Could she have ditched bag knowing whoever found it would think she was kidnapped?

Best friend says it wasn't her phone. Could she have tossed phone knowing she had another?

Parents and sister have what i consider odd behavior like they believe she ran away not abducted. Even the sister has appeared calm. (IMO) Could there have been an argument Thursday night that made Sierra want to finally leave there?

I don't know anything but if she didn't intend to go to school, she definitely made it seem like she was.

 

[cluciano63]

Why does it matter how the phone was tossed? I must be missing something. And what could be gleaned by knowing?

 

[Sjsleuth83]

Why does it matter how the phone was tossed? I must be missing something. And what could be gleaned by knowing?

Well it means either multiple perps or that she threw it. And depending on how far it was thrown, it would mean whether she threw it willingly or was forced to throw it.


-In regards to the tweet. Its on march 18th around 11:00 pm. To me, I think her friend wasn't actually saying that she saw the phone and that it wasn't hers. I think her friend was not wanting to believe that it was her phone, so she was denying it. If you look at her post the following day, she talks about how she's is going to get her license and that she "knows" she'll be picking Sierra up at her house in May. I dont think there is any secret inside information here. I think she doesn't want to accept this horrible situation.


-In regards to the theory of a "secret phone" from an older, possibly married man, I just dont see this being very likely. It looks to me that Sierra tried to act older than she was (WHILE ONLINE), but she actually seemed pretty innocent. Looking at her feelings about bullying and suicide, I think the drug imagery and rap lyrics were just a front, and not who she really was. Also, I dont see her being quite "savvy" enough to carry on a hidden relationship with an older married man, with secret phones and a fake kidnapping to runaway together. Certainly possible, especially in the movies, but not likely.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Why does it matter how the phone was tossed? I must be missing something. And what could be gleaned by knowing?

I think they are trying to determine if one perp or two and which direction the vehicle was travelling when it was tossed. I really don't think that can be decided based on where the phone was found.

 

[cluciano63]

I think they are trying to determine if one perp or two and which direction the vehicle was travelling when it was tossed. I really don't think that can be decided based on where the phone was found.

Okay I got a little lost with the scientific forumlas, etc...

 

[imkeylime]

March 12th on her Twitter:

'I want to go to the mall. Someone take me.'

Do kids still hang out at the mall? If so, her acquaintance could have been there. People come from different schools and different ages..some out of school, etc. All the kids went to the mall and hung out when I was in highschool back in the late 80's.

I am curious from this statement if she was allowed to drive with other kids...

On my side of the country (east coast), kids do go to the mall. My daughter and four friends went today, in fact. I just had a talk with my daughter about why you don't give your number to a guy you meet at the mall, including that he could be a perv/stalker. Her friend group is pretty naive, IMO, although she has "dated." Still, I don't think she understands that an older guy could pose as a teen, for instance.

While I pretty much believe Sierra was abducted, it's possible that she was abducted by someone whom she had contact with in some shape or form. That could include someone she met at the mall, met somewhere else, etc. JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

Here goes NG saying what isn't confirmed...that the shirt she wore that morning was found folded into her bag...GMAB...BOMBSHELL-Investigators bring in cadaver dogs...wasn't that announced 2 days ago...