CA CA - Sonoma Co., WhtFem, ~19, red hair, contact lenses, hog-tied, Jul'79

[theshadow45]

Calistoga Jane Doe has been unidentified for 45 years today.

 

[snooptroop88]

Has anyone mentioned Christine May Gregg? Missing 6/16/76 Sacramento CA. This is Christine:

Christine May Gregg – The Charley Project

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5'5" weight details vary, 120 & up. Brown hair, brown eyes. 18 yo.

98 miles between Sacramento & Santa Rosa. Comparing to sketch & reconstruction of Calistoga Jane Doe:

 

[snooptroop88]

Also wondering if Rose Cole might not be a match, has she been mentioned? She was 15-16 yo.

• Missing Since 09/01/1972
• Missing From Oakland, California

 

[rylie113]

Wondering about these girls...apologies if they've been mentioned.

Sherry Roach grew up in Santa Rosa, lived less than 2 hours away and was known to hitchhike and dye her hair. Wore glasses but maybe contacts too?

Mary Sue Kitts really resembles the reconstruction imo, but the circumstances don't necessarily fit as well.

 

[snooptroop88]

Wondering about these girls...apologies if they've been mentioned.

Sherry Roach grew up in Santa Rosa, lived less than 2 hours away and was known to hitchhike and dye her hair. Wore glasses but maybe contacts too?

Mary Sue Kitts really resembles the reconstruction imo, but the circumstances don't necessarily fit as well.

Mary Sue Kitts' has the nose of the reconstruction & sketch. She really, really strongly resembles her generally, jmo. Picturing Calistoga Jane Doe to the left & Mary Sue Kitts to the right. I saw what you meant about the circumstances not necessarily fitting as well, but Mary Sue Kitts looks very much like her to me, too.

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Another woman who strongly resembles the sketch is Phyllis Eleanor Berry:

The circumstances here I don't think align clearly, either. Last seen Nov 1 1975. 21 yo, 5'3" (+?) 110lbs. She was at a cooking event/camping trip in Terlingua TX, 10 to15 thousand attended (World Champion Chili Cook-Off). She may have left the event with a white male in his 20s on a motorcycle. While the images I've seen of Phyllis Berry look a lot like the sketches & reconstructions/renderings, she would have had to have been transported all the way from Terlingua TX to Calistoga Road, I believe 1500 miles. Still, I cannot get over the resemblance. There are quite a few images of Phyllis Berry circulating online. The timing with est date of death would actually align.

 

[Melt71]

Still no ruleouts in Namus. I've been back through this entire thread and the only person definitively ruled out directly to WS members is Jeanette Kamahele (back on page 1).

 

[beavt]

I submitted Peggy Reed to Doe Network years ago and heard nothing- maybe they're just using pictures of her smiling to note inconsistencies??

The teeth of this UID were scattered, so it would be impossible to compare dentals against Peggy Reed, no? That’s disheartening. I really feel it is Peggy Ann Reed.

 

[Captain Beck]

The teeth of this UID were scattered, so it would be impossible to compare dentals against Peggy Reed, no? That’s disheartening. I really feel it is Peggy Ann Reed.

Not really. If you have x-rays of a missing person you can compare fillings, individual teeth etc. You can also reconstruct the jaws, teeth can’t fit anywhere.

So all is not lost.

 

[jackornaught]

Yeah they put together dentals frequently

 

[theshadow45]

Calistoga Jane Doe has been unidentified for 46 years today.

 

[hapka77]

Has anybody considered Helen Allison? 5'3, 16, brown-hair, glasses, and last contacted in Fairfax, Virginia May 11, 1972.

The fairly ambigous window of time our Jane Doe may have spent undiscovered leaves open so many potential candidates, and while there are many more local ones, I think it's reasonable to consider this case, as Allison was reporedtly believed to be travelling to the Washington D.C Area at the time of her date of last contact - evidence that she may have been a hitchhiker. I will say that it's unclear when she was reported missing, whether this was contemporary or retroactive years later. If Allison did travel to California from Virginia, she may have gotten by for a few months or even years, which could put her within the generally estimated timeline for Jane Doe's death.

She has 22 exclusions as of now, obviously none of which are Jane Doe. All points of this theory are purely circumstantial.

 

[EuropeanSearcher]

Were the dentals made public?

 

[jackornaught]

Something has been nagging at me about the contact lenses. She was bound by venetian blind cords, naked, and placed into a duffle bag. Why would she have contact lenses in a candy tin with her? I suppose it's possible the killer, placed the candy tin with her body when it was placed there, but why? Why the candy tin with contact lenses and nothing else.

The more I think about it the more I am skeptical that the contact lenses belonged to her at all. However, I also concede that I am not fully aware of exactly how the lenses were connected to her in the first place.

It just seems really random that the killer would leave something potentially identifying with the body, when no clothing, or shoes were found on the body.

 

[Caring1]

Margaret (Margie) Hayes has not been mentioned as a possibility in this thread that I can find. She went missing 3/10/77 from Indiana while walking to the store for cigarettes. Reporting party stated that she took her contacts with her but could only wear them for a few hours at a time.

PMI is estimated at 3 years (1976)

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[lightofmine99]

It just seems really random that the killer would leave something potentially identifying with the body, when no clothing, or shoes were found on the body.

Perhaps they didn't realize how identifying contact lenses can be. How widespread were contact lenses back then?

 

[branmuffin]

Perhaps they didn't realize how identifying contact lenses can be. How widespread were contact lenses back then?

Contact lenses back in the 1970s were a lot more expensive than they are today. I'm presuming these are hard contact lenses since soft lenses back in the 1970s were just an emerging technology. Also, I think soft lenses would degrade fairly quickly unless kept in a liquid. According to AI overview hard lenses could cost anywhere between $150 to $300 a pair. In today's money that's approx. $675 to $1350. That's a lot of money for the average person to shell out for lenses. I have to presume if these lenses did belong to the deceased she may have come from a well off family.

 

[snooptroop88]

Something has been nagging at me about the contact lenses. She was bound by venetian blind cords, naked, and placed into a duffle bag. Why would she have contact lenses in a candy tin with her? I suppose it's possible the killer, placed the candy tin with her body when it was placed there, but why? Why the candy tin with contact lenses and nothing else.

The more I think about it the more I am skeptical that the contact lenses belonged to her at all. However, I also concede that I am not fully aware of exactly how the lenses were connected to her in the first place.

It just seems really random that the killer would leave something potentially identifying with the body, when no clothing, or shoes were found on the body.

Venetian blinds were a "thing" with groovy vans around this time, like a custom feature. With all the talk on vans & pickup trucks with SRHM, guessing killer/s operating out of & possibly living out of a van. While he doesn't seem to care what he left at the site (other victims were left with identifying items), he did probably care about what was left in the vehicle, which would tie him pretty directly to the victim.

Would say the clothes were probably already removed and he can burn those, but he can't burn jewelry or tins. Don't think he's as concerned, either, about IDing the victims, more concerned about being tied to the victims.

The duffel/laundry(?) bag is reminding me of the way the remains were found with Judy Hakari, also a laundry bag. And Judy was from Sacramento, which is making me think again of Christine Gregg.

Contact lenses back in the 1970s were a lot more expensive than they are today. I'm presuming these are hard contact lenses since soft lenses back in the 1970s were just an emerging technology. Also, I think soft lenses would degrade fairly quickly unless kept in a liquid. According to AI overview hard lenses could cost anywhere between $150 to $300 a pair. In today's money that's approx. $675 to $1350. That's a lot of money for the average person to shell out for lenses. I have to presume if these lenses did belong to the deceased she may have come from a well off family.

Totally agreed. Would guess those are indeed hers and she was from a comfortable background.

 

[jackornaught]

Perhaps they didn't realize how identifying contact lenses can be. How widespread were contact lenses back

Venetian blinds were a "thing" with groovy vans around this time, like a custom feature. With all the talk on vans & pickup trucks with SRHM, guessing killer/s operating out of & possibly living out of a van. While he doesn't seem to care what he left at the site (other victims were left with identifying items), he did probably care about what was left in the vehicle, which would tie him pretty directly to the victim.

Would say the clothes were probably already removed and he can burn those, but he can't burn jewelry or tins. Don't think he's as concerned, either, about IDing the victims, more concerned about being tied to the victims.

The duffel/laundry(?) bag is reminding me of the way the remains were found with Judy Hakari, also a laundry bag. And Judy was from Sacramento, which is making me think again of Christine Gregg.

Totally agreed. Would guess those are indeed hers and she was from a comfortable background.

Lucky me, I was alive during the 1970's and remember the blinds in the windows. He may as well have left the contact lenses for the purpose of being identifying. We just don't know, it's all speculation. Most of the SRHM victims also had jewelry, and in some cases one earing was notably missing from the sites the bodies were found. I've been to the location in question a few times. It's pretty out of the way, not necessarily what I would call remote, but I sure wouldn't stomp around there in the dark. One slip and your rolling down hilll.