CA CA - Susan Jacobson, 59, Sun City/Roseville, 2 May 2013 - #2

[Treelights]

I think LE did not force the issue of taking a polygraph because they have confirmed the husband was at work, so he has an alibi. They don't have to announce to the public that he is or is not a POI or suspect, and there could be a strategy behind their silence. Maybe they want the person to feel comfortable thinking LE is not onto them, so he/she will slip up and make a mistake. Sometimes there is just no news they can share with the public.

I don't think this was someone she knew, necessarily. It could have been a total stranger. If it were family or friend, why would they accost her in a public parking lot early in the morning? Why not grab her before she ever left her house? Taking someone hostage from a fairly busy shopping center sounds more like something a random stranger would do, not someone she was acquainted with, but that's JMO.

Personally, in my opinion, I don't think she made it to the shopping center.
Her car made it, but I don't think she drove it there. The police have not told the family where exactly the car was parked in the parking lot (as per her son,Kjac22 that made that statement here on Websleuths)
Also, I watched film footage last night of LE mentioning they haven't released all they know about Susan's case.The video and article are posted below.
Since Susan has not been found on any video that we are aware of, determinations by the public are just opinions because the public hasn't seen all, or perhaps any videos of the other businesses. It doesn't mean that they don't have more evidence, they very well could have but have not released it yet. On the other hand, there could be no evidence period of Susan. If that truly is reality, I don't believe she made it to the parking lot, but someone else drove her car there.
IMOO.

http://fox40.com/2013/05/05/search-for-missing-roseville-woman-canvases-sun-city/

This was an organized search by Roseville Police for Susan.
At the 32 second mark of the video a law enforcement officer states:
"There's some information that we will not be able to share with you, just to preserve the integrity. We haven't stopped working on this since Wednesday and we're not going to stop 'til we actually get to a point where we can't do anymore."

This video and article was early in the investigation, but After the car was found. It is obvious by LE's words that LE knows more, but will not disclose it due to the integrity of the case. I wonder what else LE knows besides not disclosing the exact location of where LE found her car? It would be interesting to note how many car doors were unlocked, where her purse was located, how the seat/seats were positioned, etc.
Also it would be interesting to know what other information that LE has, in addition to my questions about her car, that LE is Not sharing.

IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

Maybe LE has a witness that saw Susan driving away from her home in the direction of the store.

I wonder if it is a possibility that Susan could have been seen elsewhere that morning on video Not at the shopping center, or possibly she is on video from days Before she was said to have been missing, but not on any current video of that time period.
Kjac22 himself mentioned that it was a few days since anyone else had seen Susan other than her husband. I take that to mean it was a few days since family or friends saw Susan prior to Susan being reported missing.
All my opinion of course.

 

[Annie1004]

Didn't Susan tell her husband that she was going to the shopping center that morning? The fact her car was parked there means she either arrived at the shopping center or the car was placed at the shopping center by someone else. I am bothered that she was never seen on camera nor did anyone witness Susan at the shopping center.

This case has stymied me -- and others, as well -- who don't know what LE learned from its investigation. I'll say it again - if this was my mother I would be looking for her every day, and not be silent about it. Nothing would distract me. No one disappears into thin air so there is an answer somewhere.

 

[Treelights]

Didn't Susan tell her husband that she was going to the shopping center that morning? The fact her car was parked there means she either arrived at the shopping center or the car was placed at the shopping center by someone else. I am bothered that she was never seen on camera nor did anyone witness Susan at the shopping center.

This case has stymied me -- and others, as well -- who don't know what LE learned from its investigation. I'll say it again - if this was my mother I would be looking for her every day, and not be silent about it. Nothing would distract me. No one disappears into thin air so there is an answer somewhere.

Exactly, her husband told LE that she was going shopping there.
LE found her car in the shopping center, not her husband.

IMOO.

 

[nikb]

In my mind I've been trying to go back to the beginning on this case and think of what we can at least rule in or out. It drives me crazy that the only thing I feel like I can rule out is carjacking, since her car wasn't stolen. We know so little, I don't feel like I can rule anything else in OR out.

Was she ever even at the shopping center? Not just that day, but ever? Was it a regular shopping spot for her? If it was, the clerks/cashiers and baggers would remember her IMO. I know, I know, I've asked about this a hundred times or so and many of us have asked the same questions over and over. I wish we had something more to go on.

 

[Treelights]

In my mind I've been trying to go back to the beginning on this case and think of what we can at least rule in or out. It drives me crazy that the only thing I feel like I can rule out is carjacking, since her car wasn't stolen. We know so little, I don't feel like I can rule anything else in OR out.

Was she ever even at the shopping center? Not just that day, but ever? Was it a regular shopping spot for her? If it was, the clerks/cashiers and baggers would remember her IMO. I know, I know, I've asked about this a hundred times or so and many of us have asked the same questions over and over. I wish we had something more to go on.

Even though it was mentioned by Kjac22 that there was between 50 to a hundred dollars in her wallet that is missing, in addition to credit cards that are missing as well,the credit cards have Not been used at all. I understand that Susan's ID was found by a Good Samaritan and turned in the ID and remains of wallet.
These days in many stores, if a purchase is made under a certain amount of money, there is no need for an ID, as the transaction will be completed, without a signature, so the credit cards are missing, but haven't even been used at all.......Why take the credit cards, then not use them???
In my opinion, it was staged, because if the credit cards were in the wallet, somebody Could Use Them when the wallet would be found. Whoever staged it, did not want the credit cards used.
The ID left is Staged, so that it could be identified as Susan's ID.
The car left is also staged, because the keys are Missing!!!!!
Whoever staged it, did not want the car stolen, but wanted it Seen by others and Found.
It was staged, to prove, why yes, Susan must have gone shopping in the shopping center, as her car was found there, and found fairly quickly by the police, but interestingly enough, the car was not found by her husband, who
said that she was going to be shopping there.
Also, where are the house keys?
Has there been any break-in at Susan's house? Her ID and registration in her car would have her address on it. But No burglary that I am aware of,
so where are those car keys and house keys and credit cards?
Those items are PERSONAL and NOT FOUND, AND ALSO NOT USED.
The ID, well it served it's purpose of being staged for identification.
So, in my opinion, perhaps theft can also be ruled out technically speaking.

ALL JUST MY OPINION, OF COURSE.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If this was a stranger abduction, the perpetrator may have taken the credit cards but later decided it wouldn't be a good idea to use them with all of the security cameras that most stores have.

 

[nikb]

Even though it was mentioned by Kjac22 that there was between 50 to a hundred dollars in her wallet that is missing, in addition to credit cards that are missing as well,the credit cards have Not been used at all. I understand that Susan's ID was found by a Good Samaritan and turned in the ID and remains of wallet.
These days in many stores, if a purchase is made under a certain amount of money, there is no need for an ID, as the transaction will be completed, without a signature, so the credit cards are missing, but haven't even been used at all.......Why take the credit cards, then not use them???
In my opinion, it was staged, because if the credit cards were in the wallet, somebody Could Use Them when the wallet would be found. Whoever staged it, did not want the credit cards used.
The ID left is Staged, so that it could be identified as Susan's ID.
The car left is also staged, because the keys are Missing!!!!!
Whoever staged it, did not want the car stolen, but wanted it Seen by others and Found.
It was staged, to prove, why yes, Susan must have gone shopping in the shopping center, as her car was found there, and found fairly quickly by the police, but interestingly enough, the car was not found by her husband, who
said that she was going to be shopping there.
Also, where are the house keys?
Has there been any break-in at Susan's house? Her ID and registration in her car would have her address on it. But No burglary that I am aware of,
so where are those car keys and house keys and credit cards?
Those items are PERSONAL and NOT FOUND, AND ALSO NOT USED.
The ID, well it served it's purpose of being staged for identification.
So, in my opinion, perhaps theft can also be ruled out technically speaking.

ALL JUST MY OPINION, OF COURSE.

All good points. I've almost ruled out theft too, but have that sliver of doubt left because maybe $50 was worth it to someone... but who? Even then I can see stealing it, but I can't think of any motivation to "disappear" someone over $50-$100. Grab the cash and leave the traumatized lady behind... that's what comes to mind for me with petty thieves. They didn't steal the car or use the cards and at most got under $100 in cash plus never robbed the house that we know of. About the cards, good point stores don't always require ID depending on amounts, but surely transactions would show up as an amount owed on a credit card statement by now. Long way of saying I tend to agree with you that theft can probably be ruled out. Not 100% in my mind (and IMO of course) but about 99.9%.

Which leaves... what?? That's where I tend to get stuck again. Money? Revenge? Nothing fits for me.

Any time I get into "staging" scenarios (on Susan's case or any others) they seem so overly complicated to me that they seem unrealistic, but in her case it seems a little too frighteningly possible, for all of the reasons you stated.

I know we all have a ton of questions but I desperately wish for the answers to two of them:

- Who ELSE saw her last? I'm not implicating her husband... I'm kind of a homebody and it's entirely possible my husband could be the last person to see me even if it was a day or two ago, but SOMEONE had to have seen her if she was getting out and about.

- Why was her car found by LE? I can only speak for myself but if my loved one went missing and I was local, I'd probably search myself before calling LE, especially if I knew where my loved one was going most recently.

And of course, where is she, what happened, and why the lack of info released? But sticking with my top two questions for now.

 

[Treelights]

All good points. I've almost ruled out theft too, but have that sliver of doubt left because maybe $50 was worth it to someone... but who? Even then I can see stealing it, but I can't think of any motivation to "disappear" someone over $50-$100. Grab the cash and leave the traumatized lady behind... that's what comes to mind for me with petty thieves. They didn't steal the car or use the cards and at most got under $100 in cash plus never robbed the house that we know of. About the cards, good point stores don't always require ID depending on amounts, but surely transactions would show up as an amount owed on a credit card statement by now. Long way of saying I tend to agree with you that theft can probably be ruled out. Not 100% in my mind (and IMO of course) but about 99.9%.

Which leaves... what?? That's where I tend to get stuck again. Money? Revenge? Nothing fits for me.

Any time I get into "staging" scenarios (on Susan's case or any others) they seem so overly complicated to me that they seem unrealistic, but in her case it seems a little too frighteningly possible, for all of the reasons you stated.

I know we all have a ton of questions but I desperately wish for the answers to two of them:

- Who ELSE saw her last? I'm not implicating her husband... I'm kind of a homebody and it's entirely possible my husband could be the last person to see me even if it was a day or two ago, but SOMEONE had to have seen her if she was getting out and about.

- Why was her car found by LE? I can only speak for myself but if my loved one went missing and I was local, I'd probably search myself before calling LE, especially if I knew where my loved one was going most recently.

And of course, where is she, what happened, and why the lack of info released? But sticking with my top two questions for now.

You mentioned that nothing fits for you, money, revenge, what could it be?
Well, if someone took Susan, the motive could be as simple as they didn't want her around, hence she's gone. Now what Susan meant personally to the person that took her, who knows because nobody knows who took her and why, and if LE does know, they have not released this info that I am aware of.
If Susan disappeared on her own, the motive could be as simple as She didn't want to be around anymore, whether it be that she left on her own to start a new life, or sadly, perhaps to end her life.
What motive and motivation would a person have to abduct Susan?
How would this benefit this person? How would this benefit Susan?
IMOO.

 

[nikb]

You're right Treelights. I guess I have a hard time wrapping my mind around "doesn't want her around anymore" or "doesn't want to be around," either... of course, this is from what we know. It's what we don't know that worries me way more.

 

[Mahouston69]

I'd be very curious if I was LE as to whether her credit cards were even reported stolen to the credit card company, or if any legal paperwork has been filed in regards to financial accounts, estate, or for insurance purposes.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I'd be very curious if I was LE as to whether her credit cards were even reported stolen to the credit card company, or if any legal paperwork has been filed in regards to financial accounts, estate, or for insurance purposes.

I thought LE suggests that it's a good idea to keep those accounts open to see if there's any activity on them.

I'm not sure what you mean by filing paperwork for estate or insurance purposes. What is the proper way to handle things if a spouse is missing?

I don't think you can collect on any kind of insurance or inheritance when your spouse or mother is missing.

 

[Treelights]

I thought LE suggests that it's a good idea to keep those accounts open to see if there's any activity on them.

I'm not sure what you mean by filing paperwork for estate or insurance purposes. What is the proper way to handle things if a spouse is missing?

I don't think you can collect on any kind of insurance or inheritance when your spouse or mother is missing.

Perhaps Mahouston69 meant that if those cards were reported as stolen to the credit card company, then shortly there after maybe the credit card company would contact her husband, or contact LE that those cards were being used. If those cards were not reported as stolen to the credit card company, then perhaps it would take the next billing cycle before a statement was mailed out to Susan's home, particularly if the cards were used when a signature was not needed because it was under a certain denomination, with no signature or ID required, so the purchase perhaps would not be flagged.
IMOO.

 

[sophiebelle]

I only know one thing. There's too much silence on this case and after this amount of time, there seems to be a lack of interest. Even if I thought my loved one was living it up in Maui, wandering the streets, or lying dead in the woods, I would be loud and vocal until people were sick of me. I would want to know one way or the other. LE is not going to tell the public that people are concerned and calling them weekly. People have to tell the public they are concerned themselves. We never know the whole story, or what's in people's hearts either. So I just hope Susan is found someday and truth is known.

 

[nikb]

I only know one thing. There's too much silence on this case and after this amount of time, there seems to be a lack of interest. Even if I thought my loved one was living it up in Maui, wandering the streets, or lying dead in the woods, I would be loud and vocal until people were sick of me. I would want to know one way or the other. LE is not going to tell the public that people are concerned and calling them weekly. People have to tell the public they are concerned themselves. We never know the whole story, or what's in people's hearts either. So I just hope Susan is found someday and truth is known.

Totally agreed.

I've been doing a few holiday things and every single time I think of Susan and how she should be home. Or, if she's not home by choice, hoping she's happy.

Sadly I don't feel that she's living it up anywhere - Maui, Nevada, New York, France, wherever (places totally made up). I HOPE so, but I don't feel it. I'm glad that I get quick responses when I email LE in the area, but the responses never say much. It makes me feel they're still aware of her, but are they looking?

I too hope she's found someday, and the truth comes out.

 

[Seajay]

Some great brainstorming going on here! Treelights mentioned all the reasons why things could be staged. I too would be curious to know if those credit cards were reported stolen or some kind of flag put on them to alert authorities if they were being used.

For me one of the biggest questions is, why wasn't the car found by the husband since he knew she was going shopping there, according to his own statements??? Before you call police in, you exhaust all usual and normal places the person might be found at. Right? So for him, that parking lot is one of those places that should have been checked by family before any MP reports were made.

Is the car still in police impound? Or did the husband get it back?

I know.......more questions that don't have answers............Susan, where are you???

 

[sophiebelle]

Some great brainstorming going on here! Treelights mentioned all the reasons why things could be staged. I too would be curious to know if those credit cards were reported stolen or some kind of flag put on them to alert authorities if they were being used.

For me one of the biggest questions is, why wasn't the car found by the husband since he knew she was going shopping there, according to his own statements??? Before you call police in, you exhaust all usual and normal places the person might be found at. Right? So for him, that parking lot is one of those places that should have been checked by family before any MP reports were made.

Is the car still in police impound? Or did the husband get it back?

I know.......more questions that don't have answers............Susan, where are you???

I wondered the same thing on the car, but then I wondered if he didn't go because she was headed there so early. She should have been there and gone by then. But then I wondered if anybody checked to see if any groceries were in the home from that store trip. I guess not. So then I would have gone to the store to see for myself and even ask the clerks. Not one bit of this makes sense and since nobody wants to discuss things or fret about them, Susan is still gone.
We will never know about the cards being canceled or used unless LE wakes up and decides to find Susan.

 

[nikb]

Some great brainstorming going on here! Treelights mentioned all the reasons why things could be staged. I too would be curious to know if those credit cards were reported stolen or some kind of flag put on them to alert authorities if they were being used.

For me one of the biggest questions is, why wasn't the car found by the husband since he knew she was going shopping there, according to his own statements??? Before you call police in, you exhaust all usual and normal places the person might be found at. Right? So for him, that parking lot is one of those places that should have been checked by family before any MP reports were made.

Is the car still in police impound? Or did the husband get it back?

I know.......more questions that don't have answers............Susan, where are you???

BBM this has me totally stumped too. I mean I know people respond differently to different situations, but if my loved one went missing I'd start by looking at places they're known to 'hang out' - especially if they had specifically told me where they were going. Not that it happens often, but when my husband can't find me he starts with the places I typically go. To me that seems like the typical response.

I think it's really odd that she wasn't seen on any surveillance video anywhere (that we know of) too. I mean, do you pay attention to how often you're on camera when you're out and about? I've started noticing it more and more, and geez, it's a lot. I don't even go out that much but I know I'm on camera at: my house, a couple of neighbors' houses, most stores I go to (including Bel Air/Raleys chain), any gas stations I go to, any drive-throughs... and I'm sure there's more. Maybe not all of them are recorded, but still, it's hard to believe she wasn't seen on any of them at all if she was in the same location her car was.

All JMO.

It's probably too much to wish for at this point, but boy would I like for Susan to be home in time for Christmas.

 

[True Crime Gal]

For me one of the biggest questions is, why wasn't the car found by the husband since he knew she was going shopping there, according to his own statements??? Before you call police in, you exhaust all usual and normal places the person might be found at. Right? So for him, that parking lot is one of those places that should have been checked by family before any MP reports were made.

(BBM, snip) The only thing I can think of is that maybe he was waiting by the phone if she called (did her husband have a cell phone? I can't remember now if Susan did). Or wanted to be home if she turned up.

tcg

 

[cluciano63]

(BBM, snip) The only thing I can think of is that maybe he was waiting by the phone if she called (did her husband have a cell phone? I can't remember now if Susan did). Or wanted to be home if she turned up.

tcg

Not sure, but I thought the husband said he did some searching for her, before he called police. But it has been a while.