CA - Use of deadly force by police disappears on Richmond streets

[Woodland]

Anyway, the framework for policing designed by Chief Chris Magnus will always be there for all to see - a good thing going forward.

 

[Tawny]

Anyway, the framework for policing designed by Chief Chris Magnus will always be there for all to see - a good thing going forward.

I think so too.

What do you think the effect of this type of training would be if it were adapted in other cities?

I know we've seen tons of comments in other threads that police need better training, this seems to be a good model. THoughts?

 

[katydid23]

If you want to discuss the controversial parts, you have to include all of it. Like how he and Ritter were exonerated. Why was that left out?

I never said he lost the suit. But I think that if 7 officers brought the suit, and it did show they were passed up, then there was something to it. They could not prove it in the end, but it did happen that he blocked their promotions and brought in younger Latinos instead.

 

[bluesneakers]

Yes. Starting off on the offensive and broadening the rift between LE and citizens seems to be a very effective model in so many US cities these days.

There are a lot of LAW ABIDING citizens who are sick to death of the bully tactics of LE and applaud those in LE who work closely with the community. Whether it be DARE programs in schools, local philanthropies or just getting to know their neighbors and becoming a part of the community fabric.

I refuse to denigrate those LEOs who are trying to mend the terrible damage done by this police-state "I am the boss, screw your rights" mindset.

All JMO, IMO, MOO.

and breathe.........

Honestly I'm thrilled to see any movement from law enforcement wrt the disintegration of public trust. Not everything is going to work, but it's worth it to address the issue with creativity and concern. At the very least it demonstrates the desire to work together and be on the same side - we want police to protect us, help us, and catch bad guys.

JMO

 

[Tawny]

I never said he lost the suit. But I think that if 7 officers brought the suit, and it did show they were passed up, then there was something to it. They could not prove it in the end, but it did happen that he blocked their promotions and brought in younger Latinos instead.

Where are you seeing this? I'm missing it.

 

[katydid23]

From the quote^:
a Contra Costa County jury exonerated Magnus and Ritter, finding no evidence to warrant the allegations.

Right. They had no proof he said those racially denigrating comments. But he did block the promotions of all 7 officers when he came onboard.

 

[bluesneakers]

I never said he lost the suit. But I think that if 7 officers brought the suit, and it did show they were passed up, then there was something to it. They could not prove it in the end, but it did happen that he blocked their promotions and brought in younger Latinos instead.

I'm sure he had good reasons to block their promotions and the younger people he hired were qualified and good candidates for the job. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Where are you seeing this? I'm missing it.

I think this article give a pretty balanced view:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324439804578115022118616866

Detective Delon Jackson, a 15-year veteran of Richmond's police force, who isn't involved in the lawsuits, says many officers are torn between supporting the department and their colleagues who sued. "There's a real concern among some officers, particularly among African-American officers, that saying the wrong thing could result in retaliation or jeopardize your career," says Mr. Jackson, who is African-American.

Lt. Shawn Pickett, a plaintiff in the state and federal cases, says the issue of race has hurt morale and the quality of policing. "There's a real problem here," says the 48-year-old, who has been a Richmond police officer for 20 years.

he plaintiffs said in the state suit that the chief's changes seemed geared toward rooting out certain longtime African-American officers. Mr. Magnus denies this and says he made the changes to improve policing in the city.

Soon after the first suit was filed in March 2007, Mr. Pickett and two other plaintiffs say, Mr. Magnus began to harass the group who filed the suit with disciplinary hearings and investigations. They say that after 20 such investigations, just one disciplinary action was taken. The police department confirms these figures.

 

[katydid23]

I'm sure he had good reasons to block their promotions and the younger people he hired were qualified and good candidates for the job. JMO

If seven officers sued for rascal discrimination then I imagine there was some kind of an issue that was not handled well.

For example:

Mr. Magnus says the latest conflicts emerged soon after he became chief in 2006. He attributes the problems to his decision to shift policing strategy in the direction of community policing, with more officers walking a beat. He also rearranged management, promoting some officers to command positions.

The plaintiffs said in the state suit that the chief's changes seemed geared toward rooting out certain longtime African-American officers. Mr. Magnus denies this and says he made the changes to improve policing in the city.

Soon after the first suit was filed in March 2007, Mr. Pickett and two other plaintiffs say, Mr. Magnus began to harass the group who filed the suit with disciplinary hearings and investigations. They say that after 20 such investigations, just one disciplinary action was taken. The police department confirms these figures.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324439804578115022118616866

Sounds like he did a very poor job as he entered the position, imo.

 

[Tawny]

I think this article give a pretty balanced view:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324439804578115022118616866

Detective Delon Jackson, a 15-year veteran of Richmond's police force, who isn't involved in the lawsuits, says many officers are torn between supporting the department and their colleagues who sued. "There's a real concern among some officers, particularly among African-American officers, that saying the wrong thing could result in retaliation or jeopardize your career," says Mr. Jackson, who is African-American.

Lt. Shawn Pickett, a plaintiff in the state and federal cases, says the issue of race has hurt morale and the quality of policing. "There's a real problem here," says the 48-year-old, who has been a Richmond police officer for 20 years.

he plaintiffs said in the state suit that the chief's changes seemed geared toward rooting out certain longtime African-American officers. Mr. Magnus denies this and says he made the changes to improve policing in the city.

Soon after the first suit was filed in March 2007, Mr. Pickett and two other plaintiffs say, Mr. Magnus began to harass the group who filed the suit with disciplinary hearings and investigations. They say that after 20 such investigations, just one disciplinary action was taken. The police department confirms these figures.

Got any links that aren't a paid-for subscription site? I can't see the result of those lawsuits without subscribing.

 

[al66pine]

UBM
According to the in-depth article posted, they are 'getting out of their vehicles and interacting with the residents' - in a different manner than other US cities using very different training methods and mindset....

Are Richmond LEOs getting 'out of their vehicles' generally doing that in more affluent, less crime-plagued areas? Are they interacting w residents in neighborhoods & business areas less prone to violence? If so, is that aspect of 'community policing' ~ window dressing, filler for Richmond's SocMedia, etc.

As katydid23 mentioned upthread, LEOs in some places (not specifically Richmond) report being more hesitant to make routine traffic stops, to approach a carful of kids/young adults, etc, because LEOs realize these situations are ripe w potential for need for LE to use force? Just keep driving?

If ^ has also been the pattern in Richmond, seems fewer LEOs wd/use force,
non-lethal or lethal. IDK, JM2cts.

woodland's post = SBM for focus. Link to in-depth article posted, they are getting 'out of their vehicles'" pls? I quickly skimmed all links & missed that phrase.

 

[Tawny]

Are Richmond LEOs getting 'out of their vehicles' generally doing that in more affluent, less crime-plagued areas? Are they interacting w residents in neighborhoods & business areas less prone to violence? If so, is that aspect of 'community policing' ~ window dressing, filler for Richmond's SocMedia, etc.

As katydid23 mentioned upthread, LEOs in some places (not specifically Richmond) report being more hesitant to make routine traffic stops, to approach a carful of kids/young adults, etc, because LEOs realize these situations are ripe w potential for need for LE to use non-lethal or lethal force?

IDK, JM2cts.

woodland's post = SBM for focus. Link to in-depth article posted, they are getting 'out of their vehicles'" pls? I quickly skimmed all links & missed that phrase.

There have already been links posted disproving that RICHMOND police are hesitant.

 

[katydid23]

Got any links that aren't a paid-for subscription site? I can't see the result of those lawsuits without subscribing.

It opened for me with no pay request. Weird.

 

[Tawny]

It opened for me with no pay request. Weird.

So... no?

 

[katydid23]

So... no?

I don't think it is a paid site. It opened for me with no requests for pay or blocks.

 

[bluesneakers]

It opened for me with no pay request. Weird.

It opens for me but I can only see two paragraphs. You must have a subscription or an account?

 

[katydid23]

It opens for me but I can only see two paragraphs. You must have a subscription or an account?

I have no account nor subscription.

 

[Tawny]

I don't think it is a paid site. It opened for me with no requests for pay or blocks.

*sigh*

 

[i.b.nora]

Here are some facts about the 'honorable' officer who brought the sex harrassment suit against Magnus in this longish article:

“Hauschild claims that one evening, Magnus wearing short jeans cutoffs while he was walking his dog came over to him and inappropriately touched his arm and rubbed his thigh. Hauschild also claims that after he reported the incident to his lieutenant, Magnus and other police administrators retaliated by denying him promotions and ultimately firing him by using false allegations of domestic violence. But according to police, there is no record of Hauschild ever reporting a harassment incident.

According to several current officers, it was well known in the department that Hauschild was involved in violent incidents with his former girlfriend who also works for the city. At a 2011 department Christmas party at the Crown Royal Hotel in Concord, Hauschild became jealous of his girlfriend, who is much younger than he is, and he abruptly grabbed her and then slapped her, officers said. The following September, his girlfriend called the Alameda County Sheriff’s Department to report a domestic dispute.

After a standoff, Hauschild surrendered and sheriff’s deputies discovered nearly fifty firearms in the home, nine of which had been purchased illegally. Hauschild was arrested for suspicion of domestic violence and possession of illegal firearms. The Alameda County District Attorney decided not to press charges when his girlfriend failed to follow through on her claim of domestic violence, but the Richmond Police Department put him on administrative leave pending an internal investigation, which resulted in Hauschild being fired."​

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Seven...ials-stand-behind-chief-magnus-in-latest-flap

Seems Hauuschild had perhaps some anger issues in addition to being an outright liar.

 

[katydid23]

*sigh*

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It did not come up that way for me. Maybe we are using different browsers? What is the 'sigh' for? Are you implying I am being dishonest?