Cadaver dog hit on scent in DBs bedroom

[Deleted member 39678]

Area OF the floor not Area On the floor. I often felt it was a blanket and clothing.

Area on the floor sounds like this. "I threw my pants on the floor". Area of the floor this. "An area of the floor was wet from the leaking pipe". MOO.

 

[3doglady]

Area OF the floor not Area On the floor. I often felt it was a blanket and clothing.

If the dog hit on a blanket or clothing I would think that LE would taken those items immediately. Why would LE leave important evidence in the house for several days? The house was released back to the parents after the searches and that evidence could have been destroyed. If LE took the items the dog actually hit on, that means the search warrant was requested based on false info and I don't think LE would risk that.

 

[3doglady]

Area on the floor sounds like this. "I threw my pants on the floor". Area of the floor this. "An area of the floor was wet from the leaking pipe". MOO.

That's the way it sounds to me also. "Of the floor" sounds like a part of the floor. "On the floor" sounds like something on the floor.

 

[DeAnn]

Can someone refresh me on the earliest home searches by LE? Weren't the investigators only allowed to search in certain rooms of the house or am I totally off on this? I know dogs were in the house on Oct 6th. (will find link later)

Police immediately on Oct. 4 searched the home and grounds extensively based on videos and photos.

 

[matou]

Police immediately on Oct. 4 searched the home and grounds extensively based on videos and photos.

From the warrant: baby's room and points of entry were dusted for fingerprints and processed for DNA. This is because the police did not know about the missing phones yet. Not the fault of police.

 

[In da Middle]

From the warrant: baby's room and points of entry were dusted for fingerprints and processed for DNA. This is because the police did not know about the missing phones yet. Not the fault of police.
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If they didn't know about the phones, then what were they looking for with the metal detectors before the house was released from being deemed a crime scene? Not a baby.

 

[matou]

If they didn't know about the phones, then what were they looking for with the metal detectors before the house was released from being deemed a crime scene? Not a baby.

This is on the 4th. The day Lisa is reported missing.

 

[matou]

From the warrant and the following paragraph from the one quoted above:

Also the cadaver dog was not in the parents room until the 17th.

 

[Karmaa]

It all depends how much access the parents had in those 72 hours. Also, I'm curious to know when exactly the pings stopped on the ping map. Was it when the last vm attempt was made? And would DB have known how to make the phones stop pinging after that (I ask this because it seems many people even on here did not know this info)?

Good point!

I read that the house was under constant police surveillance for the first several weeks. That may be what the strange cameras by the front door were, but regardless - there is little chance that anyone could have smuggled much out of that house in the first few days without taking a HUGE risk of being discovered - and certainly not a bird feeder (a bird feeder? Really?). Not to mention that the family was not staying at the house then AND they were at the police station for much of that time. Plus, they would have to be dumber than dirt to claim the phones were stolen by the kidnapper, and then hide the phones in the house. If LE found the phones during the search which they allowed - it would be like making a huge "I did it" banner.

 

[hambirg]

There was no reason for DB to try to access vm when she could easily see the no vm icon on her phone. There was a reason for a criminal to try and access her vm.
There have been several posts in the cell phone thread stating that criminals can access personal info by getting in someone's voice mail and commit fraud on that person's financial accounts. This link explains a little of that. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/20/y...ure-than-you-thought.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Do we know that there wasn't a vm icon on her phone. I seemed to have missed that link. You got one?

 

[In da Middle]

This is on the 4th. The day Lisa is reported missing.

But the police didn't release the house from processing until the 7th or 8th. They were looking around with metal detectors on the 5th. They have no excuse to not process the kitchen counter in this time frame as they knew about the phones while the house was under their exclusive control. And I think they knew about the phones at the very start because DB stated they were talking about pings on the phones while questioning her on the very first day on the 4th.

 

[DeAnn]

If they didn't know about the phones, then what were they looking for with the metal detectors before the house was released from being deemed a crime scene? Not a baby.

Could someone tell me where this stuff about KCPD not knowing about the phones immediately comes from?

The search warrant says they knew about it in interviews. My recollection is that information was released on the first day. It was certainly out there by the third day.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

ETA: And I shouldn't have posted anyway....not sure why cell phones are being talked about in the cadaver dog thread.

 

[Karmaa]

Correct. Since the cell phones show no other activity, how did DB manage to contact someone to get help disposing of a body? She had to either do it all by herself or someone was already close enough that she didn't need to call them. That doesn't sound reasonable to me. Therefore, until I get some sensible answers to those questions, I remain on the fence. However, I will admit that the intruder theory is even more bizarre.

I have to wonder if LE were to arrest DB right now based on the evidence they have which we know about, would a jury convict her based on circumstantial evidence? Based on what I read from people on the net, I'm afraid they would. Could DB ever get an impartial jury? That is very scary to me.

I agree with you. But the reason "an intruder" sounds bizarre is because we have no information about it. Many times, after the intruder is caught and talks, their actions are not really bizarre - but rather just bold. And lucky.

I mean, we all know that the first person suspected is always the parents. So, in many of these cases evidence is overlooked. Not until the killer is found does everything become understandable (I mean, as understandable as any senseless crime can be.)

As an example - Tommy Lynn Sells walked into a house and killed a boy. The boy's mom (Julia Harper) was convicted of murder, even though there was plenty of evidence of a stranger. But, not until Sells confessed did it make any sense. He just walked in to the house with the sole purpose of stabbing the boy to death because the mom had been "rude" to him at a 7-11. No one could have ever imagined such a thing because things like that just don't happen. Until they do.

 

[yllek]

Could someone tell me where this stuff about KCPD not knowing about the phones immediately comes from?

The search warrant says they knew about it in interviews. My recollection is that information was released on the first day. It was certainly out there by the third day.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

ETA: And I shouldn't have posted anyway....not sure why cell phones are being talked about in the cadaver dog thread.

A couple of threads were drifting back towards the search. A mod just bumped up the Search thread for new posts on the subject.

 

[In da Middle]

Could someone tell me where this stuff about KCPD not knowing about the phones immediately comes from?

The search warrant says they knew about it in interviews. My recollection is that information was released on the first day. It was certainly out there by the third day.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15611288/authorities-intensify-search-for-missing-baby

ETA: And I shouldn't have posted anyway....not sure why cell phones are being talked about in the cadaver dog thread.

I don't know where it is coming from. That's what I am trying to find out. I never thought that they didn't know about them.

 

[DeAnn]

I don't know where it is coming from. That's what I am trying to find out. I never thought that they didn't know about them.

Obviously I have no link to back this up but I think I certainly knew about the cell phones by mid morning on Oct. 4. Busted screen, missing cell phones, missing baby, mom alone with three kids. That's what I remember knowing.

 

[In da Middle]

Obviously I have no link to back this up but I think I certainly knew about the cell phones by mid morning on Oct. 4. Busted screen, missing cell phones, missing baby, mom alone with three kids. That's what I remember knowing.

That's basically how I remember it, too. I know that WE knew about them while the house was still under police control and the parents didn't have access to it then. That is why I was mentioning the metal detectors that they were using on day one or two. Not looking for a baby with those.

 

[Rooster27]

JMO if DB wanted to get rid of one phone only she was not obliged to say that all the phones were together on the counter, she could just as easily have said that one phone was on the kitchen table and another in a drawer and the third in a pocket, so the kidnapper could have just seen the one on the table and snatched it.

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This whole thing is making me doubt my sanity. I read that a few times. And I couldn't tell if we agreed or not. haha. (the marbles are slipping tonight!:crazy

I think you are right, that she didn't need to say that they were all together or stolen, IF she only needed to hide one phone. Iin my thought process, she may have needed more than one missing. The cellphone thread has many theories about this ranging from her wanting to hide or get rid of former text messages- to -she was so inebriated she may not have known which one she used to make what might be deemed an incriminating call. Therefore she would want to dispose of all at a crisis moment.

But instead of boring you with my confused and bleary eyed ramblings, i will go back and read that cellphone thread after I get some sleep. I know it had a lot of details that pertain to this. This one is about the dog hits anyway. So.... time to shift the cellphone talk back over there, after i catch up.

It's amazing all the theories, its been two months. It's so incredibly sad.
Good night all, from the east coast.

 

[DeAnn]

That's basically how I remember it, too. I know that WE knew about them while the house was still under police control and the parents didn't have access to it then. That is why I was mentioning the metal detectors that they were using on day one or two. Not looking for a baby with those.

I could have sworn there were rumors (obviously wrong) swirling within 24-48 hours about odd text messages on the missing phones close to when she went missing....like you I remember thinking they had the metal detectors out looking for the batteries etc......

I don't think the public knew that the cell phones were inoperable for a couple of days until the parents started doing interviews, which wasn't until Thursday morning. They did the news conference Wednesday afternoon but took no questions in that one.

And again sorry this is in the wrong thread but par for the course of late LOL

 

[3doglady]

Do we know that there wasn't a vm icon on her phone. I seemed to have missed that link. You got one?

Someone tried to access vm by actually pressing 86 not clicking on the vm icon. It's in the interview when MK on FXN discussed what the FBI said about the phone records in the power point presentation to the DT. In addition, the service to the phone was cut off so I doubt DB would have gotten a vm icon indicating a vm.