Cadaver dog hit on scent in DBs bedroom

[iamnotagolem]

I am wondering if cadaver dogs would be able to detect a body that was transported in a vehicle inside a container for 3-10 minutes? I would suppose there are several factors to consider, such as type of container?

Check out the HRD question thread, I asked about a container that could have some liquid in it. After somehow just reading that there were pictures from the house that had lots of paint cans. That got me to thinking that if she died on the floor in DB's room they stripped her down and put her in a bucket, poured something in the bucket, or it could have already had liquid in it and taken it to the river.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I also still have a question about a container carrying Lisa to the river. I know that one of the SAR experts said that there should have been transfer, but if a body was wrapped in tape and plastic and then put inside another container and then inside a final container, I would think that it might be as possible for a dog to miss something as it would for a dog to give a false positive in the parents bedroom. Also, the question about whether the work van was ever searched was never clearly answered for me. Then, there is the brother's vehicle. Just too many variables for me to say that it would be impossible to do. Also, the bridges do have cameras, and there are cameras in Riverfront Park, but where they point has never been stated. They certainly aren't scanning, PTZ (pan, tilt, zoom) cameras that would cover every inch of the river.

 

[DeAnn]

I also still have a question about a container carrying Lisa to the river. I know that one of the SAR experts said that there should have been transfer, but if a body was wrapped in tape and plastic and then put inside another container and then inside a final container, I would think that it might be as possible for a dog to miss something as it would for a dog to give a false positive in the parents bedroom. Also, the question about whether the work van was ever searched was never clearly answered for me. Then, there is the brother's vehicle. Just too many variables for me to say that it would be impossible to do. Also, the bridges do have cameras, and there are cameras in Riverfront Park, but where they point has never been stated. They certainly aren't scanning, PTZ (pan, tilt, zoom) cameras that would cover every inch of the river.

I don't think they are cameras on the bridges. Certainly not red light cameras and I don't think surveillance cameras. Never heard of Riverfront Park cameras but won't say it's not true.

 

[cityslick]

I also still have a question about a container carrying Lisa to the river. I know that one of the SAR experts said that there should have been transfer, but if a body was wrapped in tape and plastic and then put inside another container and then inside a final container, I would think that it might be as possible for a dog to miss something as it would for a dog to give a false positive in the parents bedroom. Also, the question about whether the work van was ever searched was never clearly answered for me. Then, there is the brother's vehicle. Just too many variables for me to say that it would be impossible to do. Also, the bridges do have cameras, and there are cameras in Riverfront Park, but where they point has never been stated. They certainly aren't scanning, PTZ (pan, tilt, zoom) cameras that would cover every inch of the river.

This probably isn't the correct thread for it, but I'm interested to hear if you have a theory that would involved the work van.

 

[Whisperer]

I still think this river theory started when the attorney for Deb subliminally suggested the river banks in his description of the phone pings. He stated the pings' triangulation extended "all the way to the river banks." They are clever/and coy with their use of the English Language.

I doubt the baby is in the river...

 

[Whisperer]

I do go along with the wrapping and packing however; I think then it was off to a dumpster, perhaps out of the area/neighborhood.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I don't think they are cameras on the bridges. Certainly not red light cameras and I don't think surveillance cameras. Never heard of Riverfront Park cameras but won't say it's not true.

I am checking right now with someone who knows about this. Hopefully I can get ahold of them.

 

[Whisperer]

What kind of car does Phil N drive? samantha? and James B?

 

[cityslick]

What kind of car does Phil N drive? samantha? and James B?

I think that goes to sleuthing and I don't think we are allowed to with them.

 

[KsStormy]

I still think this river theory started when the attorney for Deb subliminally suggested the river banks in his description of the phone pings. He stated the pings' triangulation extended "all the way to the river banks." They are clever/and coy with their use of the English Language.

I doubt the baby is in the river...

I am sure the river theory got started because it is less than 3 minutes drive from the house ,and the Mo river is WELL KNOWN in the KC area for many,many years as a watery graveyard. Many bodies have both been lost forever and also many have been found in it.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I personally relate with the river theory b/c in the Celina Cass case I kept wondering if she was in the river, she was... 1/4 mi from her house. When I saw the river was so close to Lisa's house, I wondered if that's where she was, it seems to be a popular place to put dead people.

 

[4Jacy]

I don't know where BL's body was disposed, however I do have idea how this might have happened. Suppose PN asked a friend to come over and PN had Lisa, perfectly secured (in plastic, blankets, some type of container, as mentioned above), and he asked this friend to drive him somewhere and then PN disposed of the body.

Now the friend cannot tell anyone because he is an accessory after the fact; he's scared to death.

The police didn't know to search his car because they did not know about him; didn't even know he existed.

After all the crime shows on TV and the idea that DB followed these trials (Caylee, et al.), those involved would know all about DNA and transfers. I do not believe any of the vehicles that have been discussed were involved in the transfer to Lisa's final "resting ground."

 

[cityslick]

I don't know where BL's body was disposed, however I do have idea how this might have happened. Suppose PN asked a friend to come over and PN had Lisa, perfectly secured (in plastic, blankets, some type of container, as mentioned above), and he asked this friend to drive him somewhere and then PN disposed of the body.

Now the friend cannot tell anyone because he is an accessory after the fact; he's scared to death.

The police didn't know to search his car because they did not know about him; didn't even know he existed.

After all the crime shows on TV and the idea that DB followed these trials (Caylee, et al.), those involved would know all about DNA and transfers. I do not believe any of the vehicles that have been discussed were involved in the transfer to Lisa's final "resting ground."

Yea but what time did this happen? How would that happen and nobody testify to that? I'm sure the neighbors outside would of told LE that they saw PN leave with a 'package' with a friend. I'm pretty sure LE would of fully investigated everyone who had been in that house that evening (PN, SB, even JB when he wasn't there).

 

[Meri]

I don't know where BL's body was disposed, however I do have idea how this might have happened. Suppose PN asked a friend to come over and PN had Lisa, perfectly secured (in plastic, blankets, some type of container, as mentioned above), and he asked this friend to drive him somewhere and then PN disposed of the body.

Now the friend cannot tell anyone because he is an accessory after the fact; he's scared to death.

The police didn't know to search his car because they did not know about him; didn't even know he existed.

After all the crime shows on TV and the idea that DB followed these trials (Caylee, et al.), those involved would know all about DNA and transfers. I do not believe any of the vehicles that have been discussed were involved in the transfer to Lisa's final "resting ground."

In a circumstance like the above, I just don't see it. If I were to pick someone up who had some "garbage" to dispose of and then learned later that it could have been a body, I would have absolutely no problem going straight to the police. There would be no reason for me to be afraid, nor would I be considered an accessory after the fact.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I am sure the river theory got started because it is less than 3 minutes drive from the house ,and the Mo river is WELL KNOWN in the KC area for many,many years as a watery graveyard. Many bodies have both been lost forever and also many have been found in it.

The only thing that makes me wonder about using the river is how good is it for hiding a body. What keeps coming to my mind is from personal experience. 15 years ago my employers 18 year old son was murdered and thrown in the Sacramento River by his killer. It's kind of a strange story.The victim conspired with his own killer to stage a car accident with his car going into the river, and then both of them splitting a life insurance policy. After they got the car in the river, the killer strangled the victim and threw him into the river. I remember when the car was found in the river without a body in it, searchers (friends and family) were told that the body could remain submerged for several days before surfacing. His body did in fact surface and was found about six weeks later.

So I'm familiar with body's being dumped into a river and later found. I'm curious about how common is it that body's are dumped into a river and never found? Is it really the "best" way to hide a body? You have no control over where the body will surface and possibly found. Weighing the body down is a possibility. Ask Scott Peterson how well that worked. Pretty chancy if you ask me. But I suppose possible.

 

[KsStormy]

The only thing that makes me wonder about using the river is how good is it for hiding a body. What keeps coming to my mind is from personal experience. 15 years ago my employers 18 year old son was murdered and thrown in the Sacramento river by his killer. It's kind of a strange story.The victim conspired with his own killer to stage a car accident with his car going into the river, and then both of them splitting a life insurance policy. After they got the car in the river, the killer strangled the victim and threw him into the river. I remember when the car was found in the river without a body in it, searchers (friends and family) were told that the body could remain submerged for several days before surfacing. His body did in fact surface and was found about six weeks later.

So I'm familiar with body's being dumped into a river and later found. I'm curious about how common is it that body's are dumped into a river and never found? Is it really the "best" way to hide a body? You have no control over where the body will surface and possibly found. Weighing the body down is a possibility. Ask Scott Peterson how well that worked. Pretty chancy if you ask me. But I suppose possible.

Maybe the Mo state trooper that was lost during the flooding last summer had something to do with it? Massive searches took place, and it still took until January to find his body. And that wasn't even IN the Mighty Mo.

 

[norest4thewicked]

I am checking right now with someone who knows about this. Hopefully I can get ahold of them.

Some cameras on the bridges, but unknown where they point. No cameras in Riverfront Park. I was wrong.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Maybe the Mo state trooper that was lost during the flooding last summer had something to do with it? Massive searches took place, and it still took until January to find his body. And that wasn't even IN the Mighty Mo.

So the trooper was found. The question remains, how good is a river for hiding a body?

 

[KsStormy]

So the trooper was found. The question remains, how good is a river for hiding a body?

He wasn't in the river, he was patrolling areas flooded BY the river. There was historic flooding of the Missouri River last summer. Considering that river empties into the Mississippi in St Louis, it's anyone's guess. :waitasec:

 

[iamnotagolem]

The only thing that makes me wonder about using the river is how good is it for hiding a body. What keeps coming to my mind is from personal experience. 15 years ago my employers 18 year old son was murdered and thrown in the Sacramento River by his killer. It's kind of a strange story.The victim conspired with his own killer to stage a car accident with his car going into the river, and then both of them splitting a life insurance policy. After they got the car in the river, the killer strangled the victim and threw him into the river. I remember when the car was found in the river without a body in it, searchers (friends and family) were told that the body could remain submerged for several days before surfacing. His body did in fact surface and was found about six weeks later.

So I'm familiar with body's being dumped into a river and later found. I'm curious about how common is it that body's are dumped into a river and never found? Is it really the "best" way to hide a body? You have no control over where the body will surface and possibly found. Weighing the body down is a possibility. Ask Scott Peterson how well that worked. Pretty chancy if you ask me. But I suppose possible.

I think there is also the thought that a body tossed in the water will take a while to find, hope the body will decompose greatly before it's found, and that evidence will be washed away. If it's only bones when they find the body, will they be able to determine a COD if it was a soft kill? Will they be able to prove specifically who killed her?