Cadaver dog hit on scent in DBs bedroom

[redheadedgal]

about the purple shorts vs purple pants inconsistency... msm articles and missing flyers state either as being the item lisa was last seen/clothed in... i don't know why this discrepancy exists (is it a genuine mistake made by the author? did someone -DB?- decide to change the description for whatever reason? maybe like was theorized-- people describe items differently? idk)... to see for yourself, just google early news reports and her missing flyers...

btw, i too was under the impression that LE had found the outfit in the home during the search... but i cannot even begin to fathom where that info came from or how to find it today...

 

[Deleted member 39678]

about the purple shorts vs purple pants inconsistency... msm articles and missing flyers state either as being the item lisa was last seen/clothed in... i don't know why this discrepancy exists (is it a genuine mistake made by the author? did someone -DB?- decide to change the description for whatever reason? maybe like was theorized-- people describe items differently? idk)... to see for yourself, just google early news reports and her missing flyers...

btw, i too was under the impression that LE had found the outfit in the home during the search... but i cannot even begin to fathom where that info came from or how to find it today...

Are you saying that the link I provided to the NCMEC poster of Lisa Irwin is inaccurate because of something you saw on the internet?
Maybe you should provide a link showing that instead of telling members to "just google" it. What about the difference between the "multi-color Disney character shirt" and the "purple shirt with kittens on it"?

<modsnip>.

http://media2.nbcactionnews.com/NWT/pdf/20111021_irwinwarrant.pdf

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

 

[Donjeta]

Are you saying that the link I provided to the NCMEC poster of Lisa Irwin is inaccurate because of something you saw on the internet?
Maybe you should provide a link showing that instead of telling members to "just google" it. What about the difference between the "multi-color Disney character shirt" and the "purple shirt with kittens on it"?

<modsnip>.

http://media2.nbcactionnews.com/NWT/pdf/20111021_irwinwarrant.pdf

http://www.missingkids.com/missingk...NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Well, as for the pants/shorts issue it was not hard to find. The very first post about Lisa Irwin on Websleuths, in general discussion thread one:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7185118&postcount=1"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO - AMBER ALERT: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #1[/ame]

Picture and details here:

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...d-girl-in-kcmo
Police have issued an AMBER ALERT for a missing 10-month-old girl. Officials are looking for Lisa Irwin who was last seen in her crib at approximately 10:30 p.m. Monday night at a residence in the 3600 block of North Lister in Kansas City, Missouri.
She is described as follows:

blonde hair
blue eyes
30-inches tall
weighs 26-30 lbs.
last seen wearing purple shorts/pants with white kittens printed.

According to a police spokesperson, officers believe a suspect "entered/exited through a bedroom window." They also add that evidence suggest the child has been abducted.
Anyone with information needs to call the TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.

Read more: http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/new...#ixzz1ZogwHwzt

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Well, as for the pants/shorts issue it was not hard to find. The very first post about Lisa Irwin on Websleuths, in general discussion thread one:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MO - AMBER ALERT: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #1

Thanks Donjeta. That's all I asked for, a link.

 

[KsStormy]

about the purple shorts vs purple pants inconsistency... msm articles and missing flyers state either as being the item lisa was last seen/clothed in... i don't know why this discrepancy exists (is it a genuine mistake made by the author? did someone -DB?- decide to change the description for whatever reason? maybe like was theorized-- people describe items differently? idk)... to see for yourself, just google early news reports and her missing flyers...

btw, i too was under the impression that LE had found the outfit in the home during the search... but i cannot even begin to fathom where that info came from or how to find it today...

I wondered why first it was shorts, then it was pants... but then I don't believe a single word Bradley spews, so par for the course.

 

[Melon]

about the purple shorts vs purple pants inconsistency... msm articles and missing flyers state either as being the item lisa was last seen/clothed in... i don't know why this discrepancy exists (is it a genuine mistake made by the author? did someone -DB?- decide to change the description for whatever reason? maybe like was theorized-- people describe items differently? idk)... to see for yourself, just google early news reports and her missing flyers...

btw, i too was under the impression that LE had found the outfit in the home during the search... but i cannot even begin to fathom where that info came from or how to find it today...

When it comes to baby clothes, pants do not necessarily mean full legged bottoms. Pretty much anything you put on a baby's bottom half can be called "pants". Gerber in particular seems to be a big user of the word pants on shorts. We call plastic pants pants and they are really plastic shorts. I am not sure if its a regional thing or not. I do think that could contribute to some of the confusion surrounding pants vs shorts. :moo:

 

[Whisperer]

If the clothes taken by LE are the ones described, this could possibly prove that DB had no recollection of what she did with Lisa and was legitimately blacked out. If she was blacked out, she wants to distance herself from that term.

OTOH, if she wasn't drinking enough to black out then she may have been a part of a plan to dispose of Lisa....and tried to hide the clothing before disposal and LE found the hiding place. I don't know which is which but these two parents have some serious splainin to do.

Personally, it is just too much of a coincidence for Lisa to have been kidnapped the ONLY night JI ever worked. He got a witness with his boss, the only other employee of the company and she got an alibi with her drinking and neighbor. It was staged, imo. I think the baby died earlier that day or the night before. There was no substantial sighting of Lisa. All we have is somebody saying the baby was asleep in her crib but never having any interaction. Where was Lisa during the dinner DB had with her neighbor? Wouldn't most parents have their child at the table with the family? No Lisa seen. I think the neighbor assumed the child was in her crib asleep....but never saw her.

I also think there is evidence on the things removed from the house. LE has no way to extract the info from them as they refuse to cooperate...which is a startling behavior. These two know what happened and are getting away with it.

 

[Melon]

BBM: Yes she was, but it seems LE was adamant that they were Lisa's and then wanted the clothes at the home to be Lisa's clothes she was last seen in as well, according to some. Since 3 witnesses claim to have seen a man with a child in a diaper that night, it makes me feel if either is true, Lisa's clothes were in the dumpster over still in the home, although as you stated, it could be either. Until LE (or if you are successful in your questioning of the dogs lol) release more information, we'll never know if any of the clothes mentioned were the ones Lisa was last seen in. It's frustrating I know.

BBM, do you have a link to where someone states LE is adamant the burned clothes were BL's? I just googled to refresh myself on that and all I can seem to find are statements that LE showed DB burned clothes and DB stating she hoped they weren't real. The way those read, LE was not adamant about anything, they just showed her non specific burned clothes without inferring anything. TIA.


ETA: adding in links where I get my impression from...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ba...parents/story?id=14752818&page=2#.UK-DUob5WCo
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4495776...rents-barred-home-during-search/#.UK-DWYb5WCo
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...s-infant-home-night-vanished-article-1.965743

 

[KsStormy]

If the clothes taken by LE are the ones described, this could possibly prove that DB had no recollection of what she did with Lisa and was legitimately blacked out. If she was blacked out, she wants to distance herself from that term.

OTOH, if she wasn't drinking enough to black out then she may have been a part of a plan to dispose of Lisa....and tried to hide the clothing before disposal and LE found the hiding place. I don't know which is which but these two parents have some serious splainin to do.

Personally, it is just too much of a coincidence for Lisa to have been kidnapped the ONLY night JI ever worked. He got a witness with his boss, the only other employee of the company and she got an alibi with her drinking and neighbor. It was staged, imo. I think the baby died earlier that day or the night before. There was no substantial sighting of Lisa. All we have is somebody saying the baby was asleep in her crib but never having any interaction. Where was Lisa during the dinner DB had with her neighbor? Wouldn't most parents have their child at the table with the family? No Lisa seen. I think the neighbor assumed the child was in her crib asleep....but never saw her.

I also think there is evidence on the things removed from the house. LE has no way to extract the info from them as they refuse to cooperate...which is a startling behavior. These two know what happened and are getting away with it.

I agree. As a mother of 4, I know there is NO way that baby slept that entire afternoon/evening and the neighbor didn't see nor hear her. NOT possible, unless she were drugged/dead.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

BBM, do you have a link to where someone states LE is adamant the burned clothes were BL's? I just googled to refresh myself on that and all I can seem to find are statements that LE showed DB burned clothes and DB stating she hoped they weren't real. The way those read, LE was not adamant about anything, they just showed her non specific burned clothes without inferring anything. TIA.


ETA: adding in links where I get my impression from...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ba...parents/story?id=14752818&page=2#.UK-DUob5WCo
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4495776...rents-barred-home-during-search/#.UK-DWYb5WCo
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...s-infant-home-night-vanished-article-1.965743

Bradley told ABC she was frustrated with police, claiming that they have lied to her during interrogations, even showing her burned clothing that they told her was Lisa’s.

BBM:
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2011/10/17/baby-lisas-mother-says-she-was-drunk-night-disappearance-0

 

[katydid23]

If the clothes taken by LE are the ones described, this could possibly prove that DB had no recollection of what she did with Lisa and was legitimately blacked out. If she was blacked out, she wants to distance herself from that term.

OTOH, if she wasn't drinking enough to black out then she may have been a part of a plan to dispose of Lisa....and tried to hide the clothing before disposal and LE found the hiding place. I don't know which is which but these two parents have some serious splainin to do.

Personally, it is just too much of a coincidence for Lisa to have been kidnapped the ONLY night JI ever worked. He got a witness with his boss, the only other employee of the company and she got an alibi with her drinking and neighbor. It was staged, imo. I think the baby died earlier that day or the night before. There was no substantial sighting of Lisa. All we have is somebody saying the baby was asleep in her crib but never having any interaction. Where was Lisa during the dinner DB had with her neighbor? Wouldn't most parents have their child at the table with the family? No Lisa seen. I think the neighbor assumed the child was in her crib asleep....but never saw her.

I also think there is evidence on the things removed from the house. LE has no way to extract the info from them as they refuse to cooperate...which is a startling behavior. These two know what happened and are getting away with it.

BBM

That was the hinkiest part of this story to me. How do you have friends over for dinner, but nobody actually sees your toddler up and about the entire afternoon and evening? That made no sense to me at all. Any little baby would make an effort to interact with the visiting neighbor girl. There is no way that when the little neighbor was playing with the brothers, Baby Lisa would stay quietly in her own room. JMO

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I agree. As a mother of 4, I know there is NO way that baby slept that entire afternoon/evening and the neighbor didn't see nor hear her. NOT possible, unless she were drugged/dead.

Who's to say Lisa didn't wake up while they were outside? Since we haven't been privvy to what the boys said about that evening we can only assume whether Lisa woke up or not. since DB claims to have been outside with SB.

 

[Whisperer]

Because if Lisa did wake up and DB saw or was told by her children that they saw her and Lisa was alive and fine, she would have blabbed it.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Because if Lisa did wake up and DB saw or was told by her children that they saw her and Lisa was alive and fine, she would have blabbed it.

This is just my opinion but if Deborah used any statements made to her from the boys to verify anything that happened then some would disbelieve it on the grounds that it came from her and is not reliable.

It is possible that when LE questioned the boys they told them that they either heard or saw Lisa at various times that night. We don't know what they said.

 

[KsStormy]

This is just my opinion but if Deborah used any statements made to her from the boys to verify anything that happened then some would disbelieve it on the grounds that it came from her and is not reliable.

It is possible that when LE questioned the boys they told them that they either heard or saw Lisa at various times that night. We don't know what they said.

What has always bothered me was how she said "My boys would know nothing" & how ( I forget the exact quote ) but how the police were not going to get info from her kids.... in the Fox interview. Maybe someone else can remember or locate the exact quote....it was a kind of snide remark she made, how they wouldn't be getting it from her kids.....?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

What has always bothered me was how she said "My boys would know nothing" & how ( I forget the exact quote ) but how the police were not going to get info from her kids.... in the Fox interview. Maybe someone else can remember or locate the exact quote....it was a kind of snide remark she made, how they wouldn't be getting it from her kids.....?

I have know idea what your talking about. Are you asking me to find a link to this quote for you?

 

[KsStormy]

I have know idea what your talking about. Are you asking me to find a link to this quote for you?

LOL.... Um, no , the "someone else" doesn't necessarily have to be you. :seeya:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

LOL.... Um, no , the "someone else" doesn't necessarily have to be you. :seeya:

I guess we'll have to wait then .

 

[Whisperer]

She made sure LE was not going to get any more info out of them when she hired all the high profile defense team with all their official help in every capacity. There was NO way LE was going to get any information from those boys. They aren't both her boys either but she loves to say they are. I bet that just miffs the mother of the boy big time.

She did say they heard clicking sounds, it was her, wasn't it?....which I am convinced was the sound of 3M tape being used to wrap up the body. I don't think DB made that connection when she said they heard "clicking" sounds.

 

[KsStormy]

She made sure LE was not going to get any more info out of them when she hired all the high profile defense team with all their official help in every capacity. There was NO way LE was going to get any information from those boys. They aren't both her boys either but she loves to say they are. I bet that just miffs the mother of the boy big time.

She did say they heard clicking sounds, it was her, wasn't it?....which I am convinced was the sound of 3M tape being used to wrap up the body. I don't think DB made that connection when she said they heard "clicking" sounds.

I totally agree. She comes off as VERY controlling , claiming her boyfriend's child. The reactions of BOTH boys to her touch struck me as very disturbing in the KCTV5 video of the 1 year vigil... http://www.kctv5.com/video?clipId=7781113&autostart=true&fb_source=message
The older boy doesn't react at ALL to her attempt to comfort him, evn looks scared and bewildered to see her by Grandpa, & the younger child clings to the Grandpa (Jeremy's dad)for comfort but yet runs away from Deborah when she attempts to comfort him. Bizarre.