Can child molesters be rehabilitated?????

Can child molesters be rehabilitated?

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  • #101
Here are some stats I found. My comments are in [brackets].

Characteristics of jail inmates

Family background
  • Thirty-one percent of jail inmates had grown up with a parent or guardian who abused alcohol or drugs
  • About 12 percent had lived in a foster home or institution.
  • Forty-six percent had a family member who had been incarcerated.
  • More than 50% of the women in jail said they had been physically or sexually abused in the past, compared to more than 10% of the men.
[I find the last statistic in this list to be pretty interesting]


Recidivism


  • Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime.
  • The 272,111 offenders discharged in 1994 accounted for nearly 4,877,000 arrest charges over their recorded careers.
  • Within 3 years of release, 2.5% of released rapists were rearrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for a new homicide.
  • Sex offenders were less likely than non-sex offenders to be rearrested for any offense –– 43 percent of sex offenders versus 68 percent of non-sex offenders.
  • Sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3 percent of sex offenders versus 1.3 percent of non-sex offenders.
[It's interesting how this is stated: "Sex offenders were less likely than non-sex offenders to be rearrested for any offense," then it goes on to say that 43 percent of them reoffend. 43 percent is a lot! It also seems that 5.3 percent is pretty low, but this is a good source for stats, so, maybe after the first time, they don't get CAUGHT as often. And these stats are not very current, and the laws have changed a lot. More about child sex offenders below]


Sex offenders


  • On a given day in 1994 there were approximately 234,000 offenders convicted of rape or sexual assault under the care, custody, or control of corrections agencies; nearly 60% of these sex offenders are under conditional supervision in the community.
  • The median age of the victims of imprisoned sexual assaulters was less than 13 years old; the median age of rape victims was about 22 years.
  • An estimated 24% of those serving time for rape and 19% of those serving time for sexual assault had been on probation or parole at the time of the offense for which they were in State prison in 1991.
  • Of the 9,691 male sex offenders released from prisons in 15 States in 1994, 5.3% were rearrested for a new sex crime within 3 years of release.
  • Of released sex offenders who allegedly committed another sex crime, 40% perpetrated the new offense within a year or less from their prison discharge.
[notice that it states the years 1991 and 1994. I wish this was more current, but have not been able to find more current stats. Maybe someone is better at searching who could find some. The laws have changed a lot since then. The 5.3 percent seems low, but that is within 3 years. I wonder what it is for 5. Or 10. But it seems like most who reoffend do it very soon afterwards.]


Child victimizers




  • Approximately 4,300 child molesters were released from prisons in 15 States in 1994. An estimated 3.3% of these 4,300 were rearrested for another sex crime against a child within 3 years of release from prison.
  • Among child molesters released from prison in 1994, 60% had been in prison for molesting a child 13 years old or younger.
  • Offenders who had victimized a child were on average 5 years older than the violent offenders who had committed their crimes against adults. Nearly 25% of child victimizers were age 40 or older, but about 10% of the inmates with adult victims fell in that age range.
[This 3.3% seems low, but it's also based on stats from 1994-1997, it seems. I think the laws and awareness have changed these stats. I'll look again later to see if I can find a more current source]

There are more stats that I omitted here: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm
 
  • #102
Hi IndyGal,

Yes, I am aware of that problem.

I think we would need an act of Congress to make a sexual predator an imminent danger to all of society, therefore all of America, and special pod like structures would have to be built to house them. High security facilities, but relatively smnall ones. They would be spending their life there.

A percentage would be removed from the mix by the death penalty. The pod unit prisons would have to be expandable, as new perverts come along every day. Plenty of land for expansion. Locked in till the day they die.

AND A BIG CEMETARY AT THE EDGE OF EACH FACILITY, SO THAT WHEN THEY EXPIRED IT WOULD MEAN THEY WERE FINALLY STOPPED SHORT FROM HAVING ANY NEW VICTIMS, THANKS TO AMERICA FINALLY PUTTING HER FOOT DOWN!

I might write to Mark Lundsford. His bill needs some expanding!


Scandi
 
  • #103
Here are some more stats.

[size=+1]Sex Offenders[/size]

The typical child sex offender molests an average of 117 children, most of who do not report the offence.
[size=-1]Source: National Institute of Mental Health, 1988.[/size]

About 60% of the male survivors sampled report at least one of their perpetrators to be female.
[size=-1]Source: Mendel, 1993.[/size]

About 95% of victims know their perpetrators.
[size=-1]Source: CCPCA, 1992.[/size]

It is estimated that approximately 71% of child sex offenders are under 35 and knew the victim at least casually. About 80% of these individuals fall within normal intelligence ranges; 59% gain sexual access to their victims through, seduction or enticement.
[size=-1]Source: Burgess & Groth, 1984.[/size]
[These stats are even older than the others, but this is what I meant when I said that different studies will produce different statistics. And we all know thta 67% of statistics are wrong anyhow, right? (: ]

http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm#Offenders
 
  • #104
If we kill off all the pedophiles, how will we be able to study the and learn more about the frontiers of their minds?
 
  • #105
southcitymom said:
If we kill off all the pedophiles, how will we be able to study the and learn more about the frontiers of their minds?

Trust me they need to be killed off. The generational abuse alone is enough for that.Bad genes, no genes it goes on and on.Children are the priority and to stop the cycle.If we don't protect our children then what else is reasonsble?
 
  • #106
[size=+3]Myth:[/size]
[size=+1]"Most sex offenders reoffend."[/size] [size=+3]Fact:[/size]
[size=+1]Reconviction data suggest that this is not the case. Further, reoffense rates vary among different types of sex offenders and are related to specific characteristics of the offender and the offense.[/size]

[size=+0]Persons who commit sex offenses are not a homogeneous group, but instead fall into several different categories. As a result, research has identified significant differences in reoffense patterns from one category to another. Looking at reconviction rates alone, one large-scale analysis (Hanson and Bussiere, 1998) reported the following differences:[/size]

[size=+0]child molesters had a 13% reconviction rate for sexual offenses and a 37% reconviction rate for new, non-sex offenses over a five year period; and[/size]
[size=+0]rapists had a 19% reconviction rate for sexual offenses and a 46% reconviction rate for new, non-sexual offenses over a five year period.[/size]
[size=+0]Another study found reconviction rates for child molesters to be 20% and for rapists to be approximately 23% (Quinsey, Rice, and Harris, 1995).[/size] [size=+0]Individual characteristics of the crimes further distinguish recidivism rates. For instance, victim gender and relation to the offender have been found to impact recidivism rates. In a 1995 study, researchers found that offenders who had extrafamilial female victims had a recidivism rate of 18% and those who had extrafamilial male victims recidivated at a rate of 35%. This same study found a recidivism rate for incest offenders to be approximately 9% (Quinsey, Rice, and Harris, 1995).[/size]

[size=+0]It is noteworthy that recidivism rates for sex offenders are lower than for the general criminal population. For example, one study of 108,580 non-sex criminals released from prisons in 11 states in 1983 found that nearly 63% were rearrested for a non-sexual felony or serious misdemeanor within three years of their release from incarceration; 47% were reconvicted; and 41% were ultimately returned to prison or jail (Bureau of Justice Statistics).[/size]

[size=+0]It is important to note that not all sex crimes are solved or result in arrest and only a fraction of sex offenses are reported to police. The reliance on measures of recidivism as reflected through official criminal justice system data (i.e., rearrest or reconviction rates) obviously omits offenses that are not cleared through an arrest (and thereby cannot be attributed to any individual offender) or those that are never reported to the police. For a variety of reasons, many victims of sexual assault are reluctant to invoke the criminal justice process and do not report their victimization to the police. For these reasons, relying on rearrest and reconviction data underestimates actual reoffense numbers.
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[size=+0][I like the above, because it talks about how stats differ in different circumstances. It can also give you an idea that these stats can be manipulated very easily, and very often are.]

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[size=+3]Myth:[/size]
[size=+1]"Children who are sexually assaulted will sexually assault others when they grow up."[/size]

[size=+3]Fact:[/size]
[size=+1]Most sex offenders were not sexually assaulted as children and most children who are sexually assaulted do not sexually assault others.[/size]

[size=+0]Early childhood sexual victimization does not automatically lead to sexually aggressive behavior. While sex offenders have higher rates of sexual abuse in their histories than expected in the general population, the majority were not abused. Among adult sex offenders, approximately 30% have been sexually abused. Some types of offenders, such as those who sexually offend against young boys, have still higher rates of child sexual abuse in their histories (Becker and Murphy, 1998).[/size]

[size=+0]While past sexual victimization can increase the likelihood of sexually aggressive behavior, most children who were sexually victimized never perpetrate against others.[/size]



[Innnnnnnteresting]

[size=+3]Myth:[/size]
[size=+1]"Juvenile sex offenders typically are victims of child sexual abuse and grow up to be adult sex offenders."[/size]

[size=+3]Fact:[/size]
[size=+1]Multiple factors, not just sexual victimization as a child, are associated with the development of sexually offending behavior in youth.[/size]

[size=+0]Recent studies show that rates of physical and sexual abuse vary widely for adolescent sex offenders; 20 to 50% of these youth experienced physical abuse and approximately 40 to 80% experienced sexual abuse (Hunter and Becker, 1998). While many adolescents who commit sexual offenses have histories of being abused, the majority of these youth do not become adult sex offenders (Becker and Murphy, 1998). Research suggests that the age of onset and number of incidents of abuse, the period of time elapsing between the abuse and its first report, perceptions of how the family responded to the disclosure of abuse, and exposure to domestic violence all are relevant to why some sexually abused youths go on to sexually perpetrate while others do not (Hunter and Figueredo, in press).[/size]




[size=+3]Myth:[/size]
[size=+1]"Treatment for sex offenders is ineffective."[/size]

[size=+3]Fact:[/size]
[size=+1]Treatment programs can contribute to community safety because those who attend and cooperate with program conditions are less likely to re-offend than those who reject intervention.[/size]

[size=+0]The majority of sex offender treatment programs in the United States and Canada now use a combination of cognitive-behavioral treatment and relapse prevention (designed to help sex offenders maintain behavioral changes by anticipating and coping with the problem of relapse). Offense specific treatment modalities generally involve group and/or individual therapy focused on victimization awareness and empathy training, cognitive restructuring, learning about the sexual abuse cycle, relapse prevention planning, anger management and assertiveness training, social and interpersonal skills development, and changing deviant sexual arousal patterns.[/size]

[size=+0]Different types of offenders typically respond to different treatment methods with varying rates of success. Treatment effectiveness is often related to multiple factors, including:[/size]

[size=+0]the type of sexual offender (e.g., incest offender or rapist);[/size]
[size=+0]the treatment model being used (e.g., cognitive-behavioral, relapse prevention, psycho-educational, psycho-dynamic, or pharmacological);[/size]
[size=+0]the treatment modalities being used; and[/size]
[size=+0]related interventions involved in probation and parole community supervision.[/size]
[size=+0]Several studies present optimistic conclusions about the effectiveness of treatment programs that are empirically based, offense-specific, and comprehensive (Lieb, Quinsey, and Berliner, 1998). The only meta-analysis of treatment outcome studies to date has found a small, yet significant treatment effect—an 8% reduction in the recidivism rate for offenders who participated in treatment (Hall, 1995). Research also demonstrates that sex offenders who fail to complete treatment programs are at increased risk for both sexual and general recidivism (Hanson and Bussiere, 1998).

[I'd like to see the difference in the stats b/w those who are pedophiles and those who are rapists.]

More here: http://www.csom.org/pubs/mythsfacts.html
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  • #107
concernedperson said:
Trust me they need to be killed off. The generational abuse alone is enough for that.Bad genes, no genes it goes on and on.Children are the priority and to stop the cycle.If we don't protect our children then what else is reasonsble?
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!
 
  • #108
southcitymom said:
If we kill off all the pedophiles, how will we be able to study the and learn more about the frontiers of their minds?


Let them all die Southcitymom, as we already know the high majortiy of them will offend again and again - what, to the number of 117 victims each in their sad lifetimes!

That is simply uncalled for when there is a way to stop them from never raping, mutilating with throats and breasts cut, and savagely murdering any innocent victims again.

I do not know if I could stand for automic death of a human being. We are not God. Keep them seperate to suffer the rest of their lives out in solitary with no amenities until they die. That would be worse than death anyway!


Scandi

ETA: They are a plague upon our society and a danger to every citizen in some related way.
 
  • #109
Well, we sent lepers off to an island, let's send the pedophiles off to an island, and they can take turns roleplaying that they're children so they can get each other off. LOL! I know. That was bad. But really, a pedo colony wouldn't be a bad idea, it just couldn't be co-ed, because they'd breed.
 
  • #110
scandi said:
I do not know if I could stand for automic death of a human being. We are not God. Keep them seperate to suffer the rest of their lives out in solitary with no amenities until they die. That would be worse than death anyway!


Scandi

ETA: They are a plague upon our society and a danger to every citizen in some related way.
I like the idea of them kept separate in a leper-type colony as sillyhead suggests. Because, y'all are right, they are a plague, a danger and almost absolutely unable to be rehabilitated.

Still, I would like for them to be studied. We know so little about pedophiles. It seems like we could learn a great deal and it would help us tremendously to know more.
 
  • #111
There are many types or catagories of sex offenders, but I always thought that pedophiles were the one group where there is no effective cure to stop them from eventually reoffending.

Scandi
 
  • #112
Sex offenders are a broad category- adult or child rapists, molesters, pornographers, child incest as well as adult incest, and domestic situations where rape was a result of a domestic dispute as well as some 19 year olds who date 15 year olds.
Can a pedo be cured? no. likely they will always have an attraction.
Can they be rehabilitated? I think some can, with the proper intervention. But just like an alcoholic, it will take a life long committment by both the offender and by society. And just like with alcoholics- there is a chance that they will break that committment at some point if there are stressers that aren't recognized or treated properly.
A one time treatment program is not going to help most of the pedos.
 
  • #113
Thanks Mysteriew. it is as I thought. And thanks you you as well, you dear little Sillyhead LOL for all your statistics.

Scandi
 
  • #114
I AM NOT GONE JUST WORKING A LOT. jUST WANTED ALL TO KNOW THAT HAS ANYONE FOUND ANYTHING?
 
  • #115
Glenn Beck transcript:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/30/gb.01.html

Do you know that there are at least 500,000 registered sex offenders in the United States? That`s 10,000 per state. And that`s not even counting the thousands of unregistered sex offenders, like Captain Highpants.

Plus, one out of every four registered sex offenders don`t live where they`re supposed to live. Even if the pedophiles are registered, they`re lying to the cops about where they live.

You know, I know we all want to be kind and gentle. And we want to understand these people and what they`re going through, blah, blah, blah. But these scumbags are molesting our children. They are robbing them of their innocence and destroying their lives.

And politicians, a lot of them, don`t really seem to get it. They don`t have the same drive, at least, that I have on this.

I heard a line from a movie one time. And I think it spells it out. The guy said, "I`ve got a .45 and a shovel. And if something happens to my daughter, I doubt you`ll be missed."

I think that`s the way most Americans feel about child molesters. The best thing we could do is put these guys away and never let them see the light of day.

But it`s our -- it`s our misguided compassion, quite frankly, I think, our stupidity and a lot of our politicians who are present -- preventing us from keeping these guys off the street forever.

So here`s what I know tonight. I know that, even though it feels like we`re surrounded by these creeps, I`ve got a message for them. We`re not surrounded. You`re surrounded by us. And we`ve had enough of you. The country is finally waking up to that fact that you`re in our community with us, and we want it to stop now.

I also know I`ve talked to a lot of experts on the subject, and not one single time has any of them ever told me, "Oh, yes, child molesters, they can be cured." Not once. I really believe if you lay your hands on a child, one strike and you`re out. You should be put in jail, at best, for life. Not to punish you, but to protect my kids from you.

~much more at link~
 
  • #116
southcitymom said:
Still, I would like for them to be studied. We know so little about pedophiles. It seems like we could learn a great deal and it would help us tremendously to know more.
It sounds good on the surface, but I'm not so sure we would be able to learn anything we don't already know.

After John Wayne Gacy died, they removed his brain during autopsy so that they could study it. They were fully expecting to find some deformations, differences, anamolies, anything that would explain his behavior. They dissected his brain, and literally spent months examining it, hoping to find something. They found nothing. His brain was as normal as you could get. Nothing pathologically different about it, nothing physically different about it, nothing at all.

I think that some people are just evil, and that is something that we can't ever measure, define, or evaluate.
 
  • #117
The way the public feel regarding child sex offenders is rarely considered by judges when sentences are handed out. Laws need to be changed and the only way this happens is by public lobbying for change.As a 'society' we must not let sex with children become the norm. By maintaining the rage this is unlikely to 'ever' happen.
On saying this I think of Warren Jeffs and his polygamist buddies who marry young girls.These people are not adhering by the laws of the state and an example MUST be made.
 
  • #118
julianne said:
It sounds good on the surface, but I'm not so sure we would be able to learn anything we don't already know.

After John Wayne Gacy died, they removed his brain during autopsy so that they could study it. They were fully expecting to find some deformations, differences, anamolies, anything that would explain his behavior. They dissected his brain, and literally spent months examining it, hoping to find something. They found nothing. His brain was as normal as you could get. Nothing pathologically different about it, nothing physically different about it, nothing at all.

I think that some people are just evil, and that is something that we can't ever measure, define, or evaluate.
I see your point, but the fact remains that we know very little about pedophiles and/or child molesters past the heinous crimes that they commit. I think there is LOTS to be learned and I think learning it could only benefit us.

Of course, I am also a big believer in attempting to measure, define and evaluate evil. I am as interestd in the evil the human race does and is capable of doing as I am in the good we do and are capable of doing. Without knowing something about evil, we can't have as full a perspective about good - and vice versa.

So I think these guys are worth studying. Just my opinion.
 
  • #119
I agree we should study child sexual offenders. The first study I propose is intense pain tolerance, culminating in a study of whether or not they can breathe normally in a vat of acid. I think those studies would significantly improve my level of understanding. ;-)
 
  • #120
SewingDeb said:
Glenn Beck transcript:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/30/gb.01.html

Do you know that there are at least 500,000 registered sex offenders in the United States? That`s 10,000 per state. And that`s not even counting the thousands of unregistered sex offenders, like Captain Highpants.

Plus, one out of every four registered sex offenders don`t live where they`re supposed to live. Even if the pedophiles are registered, they`re lying to the cops about where they live.

You know, I know we all want to be kind and gentle. And we want to understand these people and what they`re going through, blah, blah, blah. But these scumbags are molesting our children. They are robbing them of their innocence and destroying their lives.

And politicians, a lot of them, don`t really seem to get it. They don`t have the same drive, at least, that I have on this.

I heard a line from a movie one time. And I think it spells it out. The guy said, "I`ve got a .45 and a shovel. And if something happens to my daughter, I doubt you`ll be missed."

I think that`s the way most Americans feel about child molesters. The best thing we could do is put these guys away and never let them see the light of day.

But it`s our -- it`s our misguided compassion, quite frankly, I think, our stupidity and a lot of our politicians who are present -- preventing us from keeping these guys off the street forever.

So here`s what I know tonight. I know that, even though it feels like we`re surrounded by these creeps, I`ve got a message for them. We`re not surrounded. You`re surrounded by us. And we`ve had enough of you. The country is finally waking up to that fact that you`re in our community with us, and we want it to stop now.

I also know I`ve talked to a lot of experts on the subject, and not one single time has any of them ever told me, "Oh, yes, child molesters, they can be cured." Not once. I really believe if you lay your hands on a child, one strike and you`re out. You should be put in jail, at best, for life. Not to punish you, but to protect my kids from you.

~much more at link~
You have a way with words. I only wish i could write like that. :blowkiss:
 

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