CANADA - 3 dead including gunman, 12 injured in Greektown shooting, Toronto, July 2018

[CoolJ]

Thanks. I'll go with the info in the article I posted.

All that article says is that there are more legal guns being sold illegally in Canada. “About 40 cases in recent years”
Since handguns are illegal in Canada without a very strict screening process, logically, this article is not talking about handguns or handguns used in crime.

 

[Elley Mae]

According to licences, firearms are classified into prohibited, restricted and non-restricted categories, as defined by Part III of Criminal Code (R.S., 1985, c. C-46)[42] Note: The word "prohibited" is a classification and does not indicate that such firearms are "prohibited" as per the normal use of the word.

Gun laws in Canada - Wikipedia

Prohibited firearms include:

Handguns
with a barrel length less than to 105 millimetres (4.1 in), or;
that are designed to discharge .25 or .32 calibre ammunition;
exceptions are stated in the Regulations Prescribing Exclusions from Certain Definitions of the Criminal Code International Sporting Competition Handguns[43]

 

[Elley Mae]

An update on motive from the Toronto Sun:

WARMINGTON: Was Danforth attack terror, or terrorism?

"Meanwhile, my law-enforcement sources confirm investigators are looking at every avenue — including a potential jihadi-inspired mission.

Files being reviewed by police include concern Hussain expressed “support” for a website that was seen as “pro-ISIL,” says a law enforcement source.

Sources say police in Toronto and CSIS officials in Ottawa, as well as the RCMP, are looking into his past, which sources say include his residence in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

What law enforcement is saying is that the attack was planned, and Hussain was “well known to Toronto Police” for investigations into past crimes “involving weapons and violence.”

While some friends said he was “not at all radical,” others said he was more interested in Islamic discussions “when there were more people around.”



BBM

It didn’t take as long as I thought.

 

[dotr]

Buffalo Springfield – For What It's Worth Lyrics | Genius Lyrics

"There's something happening here
But what it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop
Children, what's that sound?
Everybody look - what's going down?"
rbbm.
10-year-old girl, 18-year-old woman killed in Toronto mass shooting
"Just this weekend, Toronto police deployed dozens of additional officers to deal with a disturbing spike in gun violence in the city. This shooting is not believed to involve gangs, which police have suggested are behind much of the recent gun crime. Heading into the weekend, there had been 220 shootings in Toronto, putting it on pace for a record year of violence.

In addition to a spike in shootings, Toronto Police have also been tasked with investigating several high-profile homicides in the last 18 months, including the van attack in April, the double murders of billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman in December and the case of Bruce McArthur, an alleged serial killer accused of the deaths of eight men.

Police say anyone with photos or videos of the Danforth attack can upload them at torontopolice.on.ca/danforthshooting.

They also say anyone in need of support can contact Victims Services at 416-808-7066."

 

[Gardenista]

An update on motive from the Toronto Sun:

WARMINGTON: Was Danforth attack terror, or terrorism?

"Meanwhile, my law-enforcement sources confirm investigators are looking at every avenue — including a potential jihadi-inspired mission.

Files being reviewed by police include concern Hussain expressed “support” for a website that was seen as “pro-ISIL,” says a law enforcement source.

Sources say police in Toronto and CSIS officials in Ottawa, as well as the RCMP, are looking into his past, which sources say include his residence in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

What law enforcement is saying is that the attack was planned, and Hussain was “well known to Toronto Police” for investigations into past crimes “involving weapons and violence.”

While some friends said he was “not at all radical,” others said he was more interested in Islamic discussions “when there were more people around.”



BBM

There were non-MSM sources on twitter yesterday who said LE suspected terrorism and that he was well known to police, so this confirms their reporting.

 

[Gardenista]

I want to know what was detonated at the scene.

 

[coffeeandacig]

I want to know what was detonated at the scene.

Yes, I'd like to know too.
Perhaps "associates" helped provide him guns and ammunition on previous occasions, they'd also provide him the necessary help with explosive devices.

What I can't understand is how he was treated with some of the best medical/psychological help in the world, provided free to every Canadian, and still was not helped?
I also don't understand how he possibly could've gotten a gun, when the influx of illegal guns from America is down for at least a decade?
And I don't understand, how in the world this happened with such very strict gun control laws in Canada?
And the zigzag patterning while shooting...How do you explain this self-defense tactic, used in combat?

 

[Jealoushe]

Lol, people don’t own handguns in Canada. This article is speaking about hunting rifles.

I have lived in Canada my whole life. Nobody has a handgun.

Are you joking? I can't tell. Plenty of people have hand guns in Canada, I have one. I have many friends who have them. I have an ex bf who had a weapons ban (I wasn't aware long story) who had one also. You can easily obtain a hand gun in Canada legally or illegally.

 

[Jealoushe]

Yes, I'd like to know too.
Perhaps "associates" helped provide him guns and ammunition on previous occasions, they'd also provide him the necessary help with explosive devices.

What I can't understand is how he was treated with some of the best medical/psychological help in the world, provided free to every Canadian, and still was not helped?
I also don't understand how he possibly could've gotten a gun, when the influx of illegal guns from America is down for at least a decade?
And I don't understand, how in the world this happened with such very strict gun control laws in Canada?
And the zigzag patterning while shooting...How do you explain this self-defense tactic, used in combat?

If people don't want help they won't get it.

It is really easy to get guns. As I said I had an ex bf who was a convicted criminal and had a weapons ban (I had no idea). He had tonnes of friends who hunted and were shooting enthusiasts. Good friends he knew for years. He would give them $500 for every gun they would buy him. He told people it was for sport, they didn't care. Drive to the local gun shop, show their license and voila, get in the car and hand the gun to him.

Just as an aside, this man later tried to kill me. For whatever reason he had no access to guns that day (at my house and no guns there)...and I told the police and he was charged with 36 charges regarding the assault and the guns.

He pled guilty. At trial his lawyer cried that he should have the guns returned to him or someone with a license so they could be kept or sold since they were high value and cost so much to obtain. Even though he had them illegally. The judge agreed that he would return the guns to someone who was licensed for him so he could sell them and recoup the cost.

Within a month of being released from jail the guns were back in his possession. Gun laws in Canada might be strict but they do not protect the citizens, nor does the justice system.

 

[dotr]

What we know about suspected gunman Faisal Hussain
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"John Aruldason, who witnessed the shooting, described Hussain’s movements as “very casual” as he made his way down the Danforth.

“If you didn’t see the gun in his hand, there would be no reason to pick him out of a crowd,” he said.

Another witness described seeing a gunman zig-zag across the street, seemingly searching out “easy targets.”

Video taken at the scene shows Hussain demonstrating a level of familiarity with his weapon, as he was able to aim and reload the gun quickly and efficiently."

 

[CoolJ]

Are you joking? I can't tell. Plenty of people have hand guns in Canada, I have one. I have many friends who have them. I have an ex bf who had a weapons ban (I wasn't aware long story) who had one also. You can easily obtain a hand gun in Canada legally or illegally.

Are you joking? I can't tell. Plenty of people have hand guns in Canada, I have one. I have many friends who have them. I have an ex bf who had a weapons ban (I wasn't aware long story) who had one also. You can easily obtain a hand gun in Canada legally or illegally.

No doubt you can get them illegally thanks to the overflow from the US.
Obviously some people in Canada have handguns. I should have said “relatively speaking, there aren’t handguns in Canada” when compared to our southern neighbors.
The numbers in Canada are almost non existent in comparison. And I would definitely challenge the statement that you can “easily obtain a handgun” legally in Canada.

Where in this country can you go to purchase a handgun and walk home with it the same day? The same month even? From what I understand you would have to pass multiple tests, have a criminal records check, document your mental health history, register the firearm, set forth the physical locations you would transport it as both concealed and open carry are strictly prohibited if you aren’t law enforcement.

That doesn’t sound easy to me? Was your experience different than this?

 

[Elley Mae]

No doubt you can get them illegally thanks to the overflow from the US.
Obviously some people in Canada have handguns. I should have said “relatively speaking, there aren’t handguns in Canada” when compared to our southern neighbors.
The numbers in Canada are almost non existent in comparison. And I would definitely challenge the statement that you can “easily obtain a handgun” legally in Canada.

Where in this country can you go to purchase a handgun and walk home with it the same day? From what I understand you would have to pass multiple tests, have a criminal records check, document your mental health history, register the firearm, set forth the physical locations you would transport it as both concealed and open carry are strictly prohibited if you aren’t law enforcement.

That doesn’t sound easy to me? Was your experience different than this?

The same day? That was not stated.

 

[CoolJ]

The same day? That was not stated.

Same day, same week, same month???

What was stated was that handguns are easy to obtain legally. I guess it comes down to semantics as to what “easy” means. From everything I hear, the process to get a handgun in Canada is anything but “easy” relative to the USofA. However, it is becoming quite easy to get them illegally due to the overflow from the USofA which was the point of my original post on the subject.
We’ll see where Hussain got the gun from....

 

[matou]

Are you joking? I can't tell. Plenty of people have hand guns in Canada, I have one. I have many friends who have them. I have an ex bf who had a weapons ban (I wasn't aware long story) who had one also. You can easily obtain a hand gun in Canada legally or illegally.

Plenty of people? I dont know anyone who has one except for my cop friends. How easy is it to obtain a legal or illegal handgun here. Genuinely curious.

 

[Elley Mae]

Plenty of people? I dont know anyone who has one except for my cop friends. How easy is it to obtain a legal or illegal handgun here. Genuinely curious.

Your cop friends can tell you.

 

[dotr]

Plenty of people? I dont know anyone who has one except for my cop friends. How easy is it to obtain a legal or illegal handgun here. Genuinely curious.

2015 Ottawa.Fwiw.
Low-quality, semi-automatic guns from U.S. the 'weapon of choice' in Ottawa | CBC News
"Retired Canada Border Services Agency investigator Brent Lafave, who worked for the CBSA in Cornwall for 32 years, describes the St. Lawrence River as a highway for smugglers when the sun sets.

"They've got high-speed Ski-Doos, trailers, everything's blacked out," he said.

"In the summertime, it's boats. The boats are all matte black and they're very difficult to pick up. The boat drivers will be all in matte black clothing. Sometimes they'll have night observation devices. These boats are fast, they're purpose-built for smuggling."

Different ways to conceal
Once the guns make it into Ottawa, police said the weapons are well-hidden from authorities in homes and moved around the city concealed in vehicles.

Ottawa police say low-quality, semi-automatic handguns like this one are the new "weapon of choice" on city streets. (CBC)
"They say necessity is the mother of invention," said Solomon Friedman, a lawyer who represents gang members, including a man involved in the Tanger outlet mall shooting on Boxing Day.

"When you have a firearm that sells for $400 in the United States and $4,000 on the streets of Ottawa, people get pretty creative and they (hide) them in all sorts of auto parts."

Friedman said sometimes gang members custom-build panels in vehicles and use sophisticated electronic traps to conceal weapons.

He said the devices can even involve lowering a window and putting the heat to a certain setting to pop open the trap and reveal the hidden contraband inside.

"The gun commodity, it's a very difficult commodity to track and trace," said Acting Staff Sgt. Ken Bryden with the Ottawa police guns and gangs unit.

"It's moved around between gang members, it's moved around to different parts of the city for use, for concealment."
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[Elley Mae]

Same day, same week, same month???

What was stated was that handguns are easy to obtain legally. I guess it comes down to semantics as to what “easy” means. From everything I hear, the process to get a handgun in Canada is anything but “easy” relative to the USofA. However, it is becoming quite easy to get them illegally due to the overflow from the USofA which was the point of my original post on the subject.
We’ll see where Hussain got the gun from....

First no one can own a handgun in canada, then you want to know how one can do this in the same day, which the op did not state. Seems that canadaians would know the law better then americans.

 

[coffeeandacig]

So if I get this right, (please correct me if I'm wrong):

Canadians are selling guns to other Canadians illegally in order to make some money. And now, according to Det. Di Danieli "we have our own little problem here."

The parents of the gunman state that he "struggled with psychosis and depression his entire life"... As if, a "completely sane" person would kill people having dinner in restaurants.

Other than the Toronto Sun, no MSM have come out with his past encounters with the law, his travels to Afghanistan and Pakistan (shooter is Iranian) or any pro-Jihadist content on his social media?

 

[bluesneakers]

I wonder why people want this to be terrorism. I see it everywhere, including the media, everyone desperately looking for connections to ISIS and assuming because he has an Arabic name this must be terrorism. IMO they've got selfish reasons for doing it that have nothing to do with keeping people safe.

If this man really was severely mentally ill and experiencing psychosis he's no different from Vince Li.

 

[JDG]

In regards to bluesneakers post above,

it seems this guy has a long history of being 'known to the police' for violence and weapons incidents.

The RCMP has been 'interested' in this guy for quite some time.

He had residences in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

I'm not buying this is a mental health issue until we here know more about him.

That letter was a bit too 'smooth' to have been written by a parent who has just found out their son has been killed after murdering people.

This murderous gets NO sympathy from me.