Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #14

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Does anyone think it telling that no announcements have been made from LE about the deceased? The body was recovered at 3pm yesterday by medical examiner. Although if it is related the body could be difficult to examine with the amount of time that has passed. If it was a drowning I would assume an announcement would have been made. If it was a jumper as Tinkerbell suggested, I think an announcement would have been made as well. Just thinking outloud is all....

I would expect the area to be sealed off, and a massive search be underway of the area for the other 2 if it were related to this case. Usually, a lack of reporting for this long hints at a suicide.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Strangely there's this article also, man in critical condition pulled from Bow River, maybe a couple guys on a boat? As bad as it sounds I was hoping it was one of the trio so the family can have closure. Might not be the case, but we'll wait and see….
http://www.calgaryherald.com/rescued+from+River/10164040/story.html

That report mentions a bridge 50m away... which is a hint that it is a jumper.

 

[LoisLane]

Just wanted to mention that sometime late last night or this am that 5 of the Liknes male family members have changed their background photo's to a black background (not the profile pic). Not sure what that is signifying.

Seems both sides of the Prevost and Liknes family are going to black now. Including KL and AL.

 

[Female]

That report mentions a bridge 50m away... which is a hint that it is a jumper.

There are 2 different cases. 1 was a dead body the other (the quoted article) the person is alive but critical.

 

[Krystine]

Thanks for sharing and your personal experience and insight about ADD/ADHD, very interesting topic. It's nice to hear a perspective that's not so clinical or like you said - not off the internet for a change lol! I get a little passionate about mental health issues as I suffered from depression and terrible anxiety attacks over 10 years ago (I'm fine now thank goodness - made a big lifestyle change which helped contribute a lot and was able to go off antidepressants) and I don't wish these struggles or life interruptions on anyone, they're terrible to deal with. So I tend to get over zealous as an advocate but also have an opinions about mental illness not to be used as a crutch for lack of responsibility if someone doesn't truly suffer (if that makes sense).

And true about the internet! I see many times in healthcare how easy it is to self-diagnose ourselves by looking things up on the internet and also find something a doctor missed by doing our homework, it's a double edged sword lol!

So far 3 of us on here have come forward as having had some form of mental health challenges. I think that's great!
Anyone that knows me knows that I have no problems admitting I have my flaws and limitations. As more of us start to own it, I think others will seek help and strive for a better quality of life for themselves.
There are several threads on WS right now where people were missing or found deceased, suspected of committing suicide. Two of them are young mothers.
In my case, I am really grateful and feel I dodged a bullet with my ADD. It could have been much worse.
Sorry if this is OT... I am a firm believer that someone with a mental disorder or illness can still practice good mental health and have a good quality of life.

 

[otto]

That report mentions a bridge 50m away... which is a hint that it is a jumper.

Looking at google street view, there are no sidewalks on the bridge. It's strictly for traffic ... so a jumper would have to walk down a very busy freeway to find a place to jump.

 

[Krystine]

Looking at google street view, there are no sidewalks on the bridge. It's strictly for traffic ... so a jumper would have to walk down a very busy freeway to find a place to jump.

Here I go overstating the obvious, but...if someone were about to jump, would they be deterred by being hit by a car?

 

[otto]

Here I go overstating the obvious, but...if someone were about to jump, would they be deterred by being hit by a car?

Probably not, but someone would call in that there was a crazy person wandering down the freeway where cars are travelling at 100 kph.

 

[LoisLane]

660 News: 7:43 PM - 30 Aug 2014

HAPPENING NOW: Crews along the Bow river are pulling a body out of the water. Police confirm the body is a male & foul play not expected.

 

[otto]

660 News: 7:43 PM - 30 Aug 2014

HAPPENING NOW: Crews along the Bow river are pulling a body out of the water. Police confirm the body is a male & foul play not expected.

Thanks ... I just noticed a people bridge upstream of the park where the body was found. If it was a jumper, a bridge is possible.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

There are 2 different cases. 1 was a dead body the other (the quoted article) the person is alive but critical.

Yes... since one was recovering a body, and the other was recovering someone alive, I thought it moot to point out they were 2 different people.

My point was, when a journalist points out a bridge like that, it's a hint that they have the inside scoop, but can't report the details officially.

 

[Female]

660 News: 7:43 PM - 30 Aug 2014

HAPPENING NOW: Crews along the Bow river are pulling a body out of the water. Police confirm the body is a male & foul play not expected.

That's the man whose still alive correct? Was found on the sandbar unresponsive but was revived. Down from the peacebridge. Which btw for non locals is a pedestrian bridge, not vehicular.

The dead body was recovered in the early afternoon vs this one in the early evening. I think the links are going to confuse people if its not clarified which situation is being linked.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Yes... since one was recovering a body, and the other was recovering someone alive, I thought it moot to point out they were 2 different people.

My point was, when a journalist points out a bridge like that, it's a hint that they have the inside scoop, but can't report the details officially.

Although, the bridge doesn't seem to be high enough for a jumper to bother. Perhaps the area attracts homeless or substance abusers... or it's just an unfortunate accident.

 

[otto]

lol...what category does "nuts" fall under Otto? lol There are so many factors that could cause someone to go sideways. Improper diagnosis, improper medication, no medication, comorbid illnesses that are perhaps undiagnosed, increased stress, lots of things, and they would be particular to that person, not everyone presents the same when they're nuts...that would be for the forensic Psychiatrist to figure out.

This kind of nuts ... also known as sociopath:

"Antisocial personality disorder is a type of chronic mental condition in which a person's ways of thinking, perceiving situations and relating to others are dysfunctional — and destructive. People with antisocial personality disorder typically have no regard for right and wrong and often disregard the rights, wishes and feelings of others.

Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others either harshly or with callous indifference. They may often violate the law, landing in frequent trouble, yet they show no guilt or remorse. They may lie, behave violently or impulsively, and have problems with drug and alcohol use. These characteristics typically make people with antisocial personality disorder unable to fulfill responsibilities related to family, work or school."

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...ality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20027920

 

[LoisLane]

That's the man whose still alive correct? Was found on the sandbar unresponsive but was revived. Down from the peacebridge. Which btw for non locals is a pedestrian bridge, not vehicular.

The dead body was recovered in the early afternoon vs this one in the early evening. I think the links are going to confuse people if its not clarified which situation is being linked.

Here are the tweets from 660 News:

660 News: 7:43 PM - 30 Aug 2014
HAPPENING NOW: Crews along the Bow river are pulling a body out of the water. Police confirm the body is a male & foul play not expected.

2:38 PM - 30 Aug 2014
CPS say the body pulled from Fish Creek Provincial Park today was male, but not clear if it was an adult or a youth.

1:07 PM - 30 Aug 2014
Body pulled from river in Fish Creek Provincial Park : http://www.660news.com/2014/08/30/b...h-creek-provincial-park/#.VAIvAUr55UI.twitter …

12:42 PM - 30 Aug 2014
BREAKING: Police confirm body has been pulled from river at Mallard Point in Fish Creek Provincial Park. Medical Investigator en route.

All posts refer to a body. Not sure if that means an alive body or not.

This is the link they talk about a man being rescued Saturday night:
http://www.660news.com/2014/08/31/man-pulled-from-bow-river/

A man was last reported in critical condition after being rescued from the shores of the Bow River Saturday night.

A boater reportedly found him on a sandbar downriver from the Peace Bridge.

Paramedics arrived on scene, applying CPR and rushing the victim to hospital.

It’s not known how the man ended up in the river but police don’t suspect foul play.

The Peace Bridge is downtown.

 

[LoisLane]

Just wanted to mention that sometime late last night or this am that 5 of the Liknes male family members have changed their background photo's to a black background (not the profile pic). Not sure what that is signifying.

Seems both sides of the Prevost and Liknes family are going to black now. Including KL and AL.

A few O'Brien family members are now as well changing background to black.

I wonder what this is signifying.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

A few O'Brien family members are now as well changing background to black.

I wonder what this is signifying.

It is 2 months since they disappeared... it may be an anniversary type of gesture.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Again, my point was that we can't always be correct when we 'project' what we know on others. It's awesome that you have invested in your own mental health through counselling and that you have a lot of first hand experience, and you know yourself.
But it doesn't qualify you to say things like (paraphrasing here) " if DG can't sit still, or focus, and can't follow things through, how can he have committed premeditated murder"?
Maybe you hit a nerve with me b/c you professed to know about ADD, provided a link, and then gave our accused all of the classic attributes of the illness/disability/ limitation...whatever it is in his case. And everyone else with ADD.
Is everyone with depression suicidal? No. Is every individual that is bipolar abusive? See what I'm saying?
Some posts on here are just to make conversation, IMO, and unless you're a qualified specialist, you can't make these assumptions about the exact nature of his problem. I guess you can, but you will take some lumps on a forum like this. Even a qualified doctor would hesitate to comment on a patient he has not assessed.
Unless you are his mental health professional, you don't know which of the characteristics of ADD/ADHD he has.
Have a look at your signature line...you seem to be contradicting yourself with facts you don't have mastery of.

One thing I have noticed here is a tendency to compartmentalize specific sentences or paragraphs, rather than absorb the point of a post as a whole. Many ifs and what ifs are meant to lead to a point or opinion, and are only part of the reasoning to get there. So many of the differences of opinions hinge on things taken out of context or on certainties based on speculation.

I think the point that many have been trying to make in their own ways is that ADD/ADHD doesn't explain why someone would commit these murders, and that given the histories of all involved, that if there is a mental disorder involved, then it is perhaps something far more serious, and perhaps has yet to be identified and diagnosed.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Just wanted to mention that sometime late last night or this am that 5 of the Liknes male family members have changed their background photo's to a black background (not the profile pic). Not sure what that is signifying.

Seems both sides of the Prevost and Liknes family are going to black now. Including KL and AL.

I saw that as well and thought it was a facebook issue but yes that is true. What do you think is the message or meaning?

 

[Deleted member 117120]

I just checked facebook and as Lois Lane says KL facebook page has gone to black. Clearly someone has access to the account to amend the picture. There are still several family members who have not blacked out their page but clearly a pattern has started. Not sure what the message is. So we are certain the body found yesterday is not related to this case? correct?