Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #14

[otto]

There is such stigma attached to mental illness still and such a lack of understanding of it and that`s sad. We are among mentally ill people everyday and probably are not even aware of it until perhaps they go postal or some such thing.

I feel that I have to argue the statement you make regarding ÀDHD and breakdowns not being the same. You are correct is saying this however, ADHD can cause a person to have a breakdown if there`s a stressful or overwhelming situation. Anything can cause a person to have a breakdown if the circumstances are right. If DG is mentally and/or emotionally fragile, darn right he could have a breakdown. Chances are good, that if he's guilty for this crime, he's going to have a huge breakdown. IMO. Then what? He could be mentally ill in a lockdown facility for years and years before ever being able to stand trial.

Well, I care if he has ADHD and everyone concerned about this case should care, because as I've said...if he has a breakdown, he may go to his grave untried for this crime.

JMO

The accused in this mass murder does not have mental disabilities, or mental illness.

He has mental health issues ... he's nuts, not disabled, or ill.

ADHD is not a thing that causes people to commit murder, so why should it be considered during the murder trial?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I was referring to passive/aggressive bipolar people.

I don't think that Doug Garland suffers from anything more severe than anger.

I think there is enough history there for his lawyers to have a very close look at and consider. Kim Ross has had at least one high profile NCR case previously. A conspiracy theorist might think it wasn't a coincidence he ended up as DG's lawyer.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

The accused in this mass murder does not have mental disabilities, or mental illness.

He has mental health issues ... he's nuts, not disabled, or ill.

ADHD is not a thing that causes people to commit murder, so why should it be considered during the murder trial?

If there were to be an NCR plea, I'm certain there would be a new assessment, complete with a new and more thorough diagnosis presented as evidence.

 

[otto]

Many show themselves later in life, and many go undiagnosed for a lifetime.

Simply because one small town newspaper reported on a fatal car accident, and has decided to put their old archives online, doesn't mean that every small town newspaper reported on every car accident, and survived long enough to put their old papers online. That is a massive leap of logic.

The question is whether Doug Garland was forthcoming during his sentencing hearing for the meth cook conviction. The answer is that he was not. He did not tell the truth. Instead, he fabricated excuses to explain his bio, and that should be a cause for concern. Garland is not a nice guy that was accidentally framed because he is a loner.

 

[otto]

If there were to be an NCR plea, I'm certain there would be a new assessment, complete with a new and more thorough diagnosis presented as evidence.

It's up to his lawyer to make that request. The crown is confident with their case.

 

[otto]

I think there is enough history there for his lawyers to have a very close look at and consider. Kim Ross has had at least one high profile NCR case previously. A conspiracy theorist might think it wasn't a coincidence he ended up as DG's lawyer.

Kim Ross is just another lawyer with just another murderer that wants to get out of it ... avoid the consequences ... any way possible. Kim Ross has another client that shot a police office on his property. He is pleading that he was nuts ... so Kim Ross knows the ropes for that excuse.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

The accused in this mass murder does not have mental disabilities, or mental illness.

He has mental health issues ... he's nuts, not disabled, or ill.

ADHD is not a thing that causes people to commit murder, so why should it be considered during the murder trial?

ADD is a mental disorder. There is an imbalance in the chemical dopamine in the brain. He is mentally ill. When there is an imbalance in the chemical make-up of the brain, it creates an imbalance. This imbalances has typical presentations, but each person is individual. I don't know if you've ever experienced a chemical imbalance in your brain but I can certainly put my hand up for that one. Trust me, it's flipping amazing what it can do to your head. You don't think clearly, you can't hold your focus, you get overwhelmed and stressed very easily, and you generally feel like you're in the twilight zone. There are behaviors with ADD that cause a person a sense of worthlessness, feelings of being a failure, as well as feelings of grandiosity. Usually you can add Anxiety and/or Panic disorder to any of the mental illness buffet following and you are no longer a high-functioning person, in most cases.
Mental instability in any form be it ADD, Schizophrenia, Depression, Bipolar Disorder, PTSD wreaks havoc on a person. Thought process is not the same and perceptions of situations are skewed. Decision making abilities are diminished and you literally can feel like you've lost your mind. It is not fun. And, for anyone to assume that it's a black and white illness, that it comes with a set number of symptoms and are have strict paramaters of behaviours, that assumption is 100% incorrect.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

It's up to his lawyer to make that request. The crown is confident with their case.

The Crown has to be confident with it's case. They're the prosecution....they couldn't very well do nothing while DG was standing right there,

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Kim Ross is just another lawyer with just another murderer that wants to get out of it ... avoid the consequences ... any way possible. Kim Ross has another client that shot a police office on his property. He is pleading that he was nuts ... so Kim Ross knows the ropes for that excuse.

I'm loathe to defend the NCR defence, but I understand and support the use of it to determine whether a jail sentence or hospital stay is in order.

Whether an NCR defendant should ever be released is another debate for another time.

 

[deugirtni]

Yes, true.
And anyone can perhaps 'snap', given the correct number and severity of stressors unique toany given person. But to go from being considered to be non-violent, to planning and carrying out a gruesome multiple murder in mid life, including lugging the bodies away with him afterward to hide evidence, and also including a last minute decision that the sudden taking of one more life, even that of a young child, wasn't going to interfere with his plan.. also seems a stretch, imho. I guess that is why LE is now looking to find past unsolved murders to pin on him too, or at least to create that sense of wondering about that possibility.
I certainly look forward to hearing about all of this evidence that LE apparently has.

It's a stretch to think that there is some sort of pattern everyone follows to become violent or commit murder. In some parts of the world it's just a way of life. We just happen to live in an area that frowns upon it, and affords us the luxury of analyzing the whys.

One very glaring, and not often pointed out flaw of assessing someone who has a mental disability, is that you are relying on the patient to supply you the information you need to make a diagnosis. When you combine potentially flawed or false information, with a limited diagnostic tool like the DSM, there is no guarantee that the greatest Psychiatrist has any more insight than the worst.

It is not an exact science, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[deugirtni]

I forget how we know that DG was expelled for cheating? I remember that when asked, the university provided no confirmation of this, stating confidentiality rules.

He claims that he caused an horrific accident by falling asleep at the wheel, but we already know that's probably not true. Matthey Hartley, age 14, died in an horrific car accident that also claimed the life of his sister. Garland had a breakdown - probably true. He quit university at the beginning of his third year - not true. He was expelled for cheating in the beginning of his third year, he didn't quit. He was aiming for a BSc. If he had a breakdown, it was probably a tantrum for being expelled. There was no car accident in Garland's life, only in his fake identity's life.

 

[Cherchri]

I forget how we know that DG was expelled for cheating? I remember that when asked, the university provided no confirmation of this, stating confidentiality rules.

http://o.canada.com/news/national/b...w-and-mental-health-concerns-documents-reveal

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Another take on this developing story...
http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/body-found-in-fish-creek-park-1.1984299

Do you think it could be related to this case? Thanks for posting the link LL.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Regarding the body found in Fish Creek Provincial Park. It looks like a densely treed area from this pic. No further details could be found in msm as yet. For those familiar with the area how does this location relate to Parkhill and Airdrie? Provincial Parks usually means camping, I wonder if this is where DGs parents were camping?
Update: Checked online but doesn't appear to be a campsite.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/body-found-in-fish-creek-park-1.1984299

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Police received a call at around 12:45 p.m. from a passerby who spotted the body stuck in some trees in the water in the park’s Mallard Point area. BBM
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Police+investigating+after+body+found+Fish+Creek+park/10163704/story.html

 

[LoisLane]

Regarding the body found in Fish Creek Provincial Park. It looks like a densely treed area from this pic. No further details could be found in msm as yet. For those familiar with the area how does this location relate to Parkhill and Airdrie? Provincial Parks usually means camping, I wonder if this is where DGs parents were camping?
Update: Checked online but doesn't appear to be a campsite.
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http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/body-found-in-fish-creek-park-1.1984299

This picture is strange. I hope we here something today.

 

[LoisLane]

Do you think it could be related to this case? Thanks for posting the link LL.

It very well could be.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

This picture is strange. I hope we here something today.

It leaves me feeling uneasy LL. I see divers, LE, photographer (ME ?). I am not from Alberta and looked at the map of Fish Creek Provincial Park and to me the waterway is connected to a larger water source but if body travelled down stream it was a long route. Otherwise, could have been brought to the Park. Just don't know and feeling uneasy. Again LL, thanks for finding the article.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_Creek_Provincial_Park#mediaviewer/File:Calgary_street_map.pnghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_Creek_Provincial_Park

Where is Parkhill on the map? Fish Creek Prov Park is at the bottom of map.

 

[LoisLane]

It leaves me feeling uneasy LL. I see divers, LE, photographer (ME ?). I am not from Alberta and looked at the map of Fish Creek Provincial Park and to me the waterway is connected to a larger water source but if body travelled down stream it was a long route. Otherwise, could have been brought to the Park. Just don't know and feeling uneasy. Again LL, thanks for finding the article.

Fisk Creek also runs along residential housing in a community called Douglasdale, some of it that I have seen is just a simple path with trees, part of it has dense forest and some is wide open and it runs along the Bow River.

Here is CTV's take...
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/body-pulled-from-bow-river-at-fish-creek-park-1.2751675