Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #16

[Lalalacasbah]

Well, he had to get there somehow...weren't the vehicle incidents close by? Many people don't know their vehicles have been stolen until they go out in the morning to go to work or wherever....who knows?

Yes of course! Sorry I wasn't questioning your post, I was more or less questioning my own and my logic by asking 'right?' to see if you or others agree! Hopefully it didn't sound snarky.

He must've got there by the green truck caught on camera I would think…. The black truck found on the acreage at the swamp might've been stolen.

 

[stan laurel]

I was thinking that too, but then nixed it because his brought his own dang truck to their street (wish we knew where he parked)!

If he was to use another vehicle he would risk being seen by the rightful owners of the vehicle in the neighborhood, right? If he used a stolen vehicle and planted it somewhere for later use, why bother with his own car at all to be in the neighborhood? Hhmm…. thinking….

we actually don't know if he returned to the airdrie property that night,, maybe he went somewhere else (put the bodies in a trunk of a car then went home with other stuff to dispose of)?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

we know that he's very persistent and ballsy regarding money owed to him,,, weren't there two small claims cases and then the ei claim. money is very important to him, so important that he risked the three cases above while under an alias and a fugitive.

Money or principals? I think it's not about money but about showing people not to mess with him and doing the 'I'll show you'.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I had a co-worker who would go thru hell to not spend her money and do everything, every lie conceivable to acquire yours or others. she was very manipulative. in regards to dg it might explain why he chose b&e's, theft and such things that taxes aren't paid on to subsist in order to not touch his own savings. he also probably made a good salary at cantest and bcit. I wonder where he lived in the gvrd? likely Richmond for the cheaper rents.

His court records were for Richmond Courthouse. I think the civil was Richmond and New West(?) I'll check if no one remembers.

 

[deugirtni]

I wondered about that. I thought that legal aid was merely a way of making payment to a given lawyer, but I thought the choice of lawyer was still up to the accused, at least amongst lawyers who will accept legal aid cases. Is that not the case, and an accused must take whatever legal aid lawyer is next in line, or something?

.... You never know who you will get paired with on Legal Aid, .....

 

[Lalalacasbah]

In regards to the house break-in and 2 vehicle thefts: Does anyone recall if this was shown on the crime map when the 2 homicides were linked to the map? IF this was not updated until after the homicides were posted I am thinking it could be a very plausible connection.

Can't remember…I vaguely think this might've been discussed, but my memory is terrible with the info in the case, I've been corrected a few times so I wouldn't trust my memory :shame:

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The vehicles were an easy walking distance from where DG could have parked his truck and to the Liknes home. They may have been parked in a garage, hence the residential break-in. But if 2 trucks were stolen at the same time that would require 2 people which would mean if it was DG he did not act alone or even worked with 2 other people.

This was a Sunday of a long weekend that these above crimes took place. The owners could have been away and same with neighbours. It may have been a quiet Sunday morning.

I still hold out there might've been help in this……especially since Cherchri said how small he is…..

 

[news.talk]

I wondered about that. I thought that legal aid was merely a way of making payment to a given lawyer, but I thought the choice of lawyer was still up to the accused, at least amongst lawyers who will accept legal aid cases. Is that not the case, and an accused must take whatever legal aid lawyer is next in line, or something?

Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall a MSM article from the initial identity theft charge, stating that KR was 'assigned' the case, which further led me to believe he was seeking LA. Legal Aid takes into account ALL your assets and I'm pretty sure you have to submit bank records to qualify. You also may only qualify for a portion based on these numbers. They will contact a lawyer if your choosing to ascertain whether they will accept legal Aid, or they can assign one that does.

http://www.legalaid.ab.ca/help/Pages/Eligibility.aspx

 

[Lalalacasbah]

His court records were for Richmond Courthouse. I think the civil was Richmond and New West(?) I'll check if no one remembers.

Oops, see bad memory of mine. The two civil cases were at the Robson Square Provincial court downtown.

 

[deugirtni]

If I may, all of these 'coincidences', aside from the accused's family being away, hold true no matter who the murderer was, whether it was in fact DG or another unknown. I have thought about those things also, but from the perspective of assuming DG's innocence. In addition to all of those things, the estate sale was advertised to the general public, even to casino patrons, and potential stampede audiences. There seem to be so many angles in this case from which to seek out a perp, including the victim's company's bankruptcy immediately preceding the murders. Very intriguing.

In your post, you mention 'the truck' being seen by so many eyes. Was the truck seen by any eyes, or was it just on the CCTV?

One thing that's so disturbing to me about this crime is how things seemed to align for the bad guy:

After an estate sale so cross contamination of DNA at the scene.

Crime committed right before a plan for the victims to leave the country.

Suspect's parents conveniently (or planned by him) away on holiday.

The house next door completely empty.

Calgary Stampede/Canada Day week (for noise).

What are the odds of all these things lining up to help commit this crime?

And then there's little NO, the surprise in this all

If he wasn't there an Amber Alert wouldn't have been able to have been used, and maybe the truck wouldn't have been seen by so many eyes and wouldn't have led to a suspect so fast. In a way it was NO's presence there that helped catch the bad guy. He's a little saint or superhero or both, I have to think about it this way to not get very angry about this happening to a child and his grandparents.

 

[deugirtni]

I didn't dig that one up for any reason other than it was really one that came to mind immediately. I'm really not sure how often the prosecution appeals a not-guilty verdict... in fact I'm not really sure how often an accused is found not-guilty, period. Does anyone know how to find the stats on that?

Thanks for digging that up. The book you linked to deals with incompetent cops, defence attorneys in over their heads and misguided prosecutors in the case of Guy Paul Morin...not the finest hour for the judicial system.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Old article from July says (BBM):

Mr. Ross would not disclose whether he was appointed to the Garland file or hired. "I won’t discuss that,' he said. "I’m retained on behalf of Mr. Garland.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...e-continue-search-for-bodies/article19652519/

 

[LoisLane]

In regards to the house break-in and 2 vehicle thefts: Does anyone recall if this was shown on the crime map when the 2 homicides were linked to the map? IF this was not updated until after the homicides were posted I am thinking it could be a very plausible connection.

Just to question my own post...
I found this reported on Calgary Crime Stoppers, Simcoe Close SW which is in Signal Hill, not close to Parkhill...pics are posted of the culprits on the webpage.
http://www.calgarycrimestoppers.org/unsolved-crimes

4. House Break-in, Auto Theft and Credit Card Fraud
Case #14264849

Between 11 p.m., on Sunday, July 13, 2014, and 3 a.m., on Monday, July 14, 2014, unknown offenders unlawfully entered a residence on Simcoe Close S.W.

Once inside the residence, offenders took two sets of keys before stealing a silver 2010 GMC Acadia, a blue 2006 Lexus IS350, and the victim’s purse which had been left in one of the vehicles.

Three of the victim’s credit cards were used numerous times, between 3 a.m., and 10 a.m., on Monday, July 14, 2014, at different locations including a Tim Horton’s located at 575 36 St. S.E., a Husky gas station located at 2525 32 Ave. N.E. and two Petro Canada gas stations located at 15 Erin Woods Blvd. S.E., and 1051 Falconridge Dr. N.E.

 

[stan laurel]

Money or principals? I think it's not about money but about showing people not to mess with him and doing the 'I'll show you'.

I attribute his "I'll show you" attitude to his family unit,, the money is more important than being found out (while under alias).

On a different note; we have been told who are going to court e.g., RO, JO,,, but has CL or AL - the brothers of AL - been?

 

[LoisLane]

Can't remember…I vaguely think this might've been discussed, but my memory is terrible with the info in the case, I've been corrected a few times so I wouldn't trust my memory :shame:

All I can remember is a lot of discussion that 2 homicides were mapped and not 3. I will try and find it tomorrow, so many threads to reference... I am trying to figure out how I will print them out and/or convert to a spreadsheet of sorts. I hope to have it done by May!

 

[news.talk]

Old article from July says (BBM):

Mr. Ross would not disclose whether he was appointed to the Garland file or hired. "I won’t discuss that,' he said. "I’m retained on behalf of Mr. Garland.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...e-continue-search-for-bodies/article19652519/

Thanks for finding that. Although I remember a different context, after that comment by KR, I can't see him confirming this detail to anyone. He does have admirable principles.

His comment could mean he was retained by either LA or an independent third party such as his parents.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

If I may, all of these 'coincidences', aside from the accused's family being away, hold true no matter who the murderer was, whether it was in fact DG or another unknown. I have thought about those things also, but from the perspective of assuming DG's innocence. In addition to all of those things, the estate sale was advertised to the general public, even to casino patrons, and potential stampede audiences. There seem to be so many angles in this case from which to seek out a perp, including the victim's company's bankruptcy immediately preceding the murders. Very intriguing.

In your post, you mention 'the truck' being seen by so many eyes. Was the truck seen by any eyes, or was it just on the CCTV?

My post wasn't in *total* reference to DG really (other than his parents being away reference) it was more my thoughts that it was almost like a perfect storm for a crime to be committed and it makes me quite sad. I think what if…..the neighbors were home, what if…….it wasn't a loud weekend, would anyone hear anything abnormal? I think of what if….the murderer was interrupted and stopped because of these things.

The truck pic was seen by more eyes I believe because of the Amber Alert release. Without NO being involved they wouldn't have the criteria to issue the Amber Alert. A missing child and Amber Alert gets the attention of the public vastly and reaches a lot of eyes now with Facebook, media, etc. far more than if there wasn't an Amber Albert IMO.

 

[deugirtni]

I think we don't know for sure, and likely no way that could be confirmed since it would be confidential. Someone however, mentioned that the amount of bail that was posted for DG, would have taken into consideration the accused's ability to pay, although I'm not sure if that is necessarily true that that would be a consideration in setting bail? I have no way of knowing how much DG's income was, from his business(es), but I am *assuming* that he might be living on his own somewhere, rather than with his parents, if he were producing enough income to pay for a lawyer to cover a murder case. I can't imagine what those costs might add up to. In fact, sometimes I wonder if *anyone* can afford to pay for that unless they happen to be wealthy. I know through my job that with just a simple civil case that doesn't even hit the courts, the costs are just outrageous, and I shudder to think what they could add up to if a lawyer actually has to attend court multiple times. Who has a few hundred thousand dollars in savings to be used for a legal defence?

I think I asked this question a couple of days ago and don't think it was answered....do we know for sure that DG has a Legal Aid lawyer?
Where are you getting that information? Just curious.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I attribute his "I'll show you" attitude to his family unit,, the money is more important than being found out (while under alias).

On a different note; we have been told who are going to court e.g., RO, JO,,, but has CL or AL - the brothers of AL - been?

I haven't heard of any of AL's brothers being mentioned in MSM in attendance at any function.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Just to question my own post...
I found this reported on Calgary Crime Stoppers, Simcoe Close SW which is in Signal Hill, not close to Parkhill...pics are posted of the culprits on the webpage.
http://www.calgarycrimestoppers.org/unsolved-crimes

4. House Break-in, Auto Theft and Credit Card Fraud
Case #14264849

Between 11 p.m., on Sunday, July 13, 2014, and 3 a.m., on Monday, July 14, 2014, unknown offenders unlawfully entered a residence on Simcoe Close S.W.

Once inside the residence, offenders took two sets of keys before stealing a silver 2010 GMC Acadia, a blue 2006 Lexus IS350, and the victim’s purse which had been left in one of the vehicles.

Three of the victim’s credit cards were used numerous times, between 3 a.m., and 10 a.m., on Monday, July 14, 2014, at different locations including a Tim Horton’s located at 575 36 St. S.E., a Husky gas station located at 2525 32 Ave. N.E. and two Petro Canada gas stations located at 15 Erin Woods Blvd. S.E., and 1051 Falconridge Dr. N.E.

Do you think these reference the maps ones you were talking about?