Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #17

[otto]

The chunky stuff in the cracks look like the chunky stuff that flies out of someones mouth when they are punched in the mouth. I am speculating, the same as the witness who claims it is drag marks.

What does ligament, or muscle, tissue look like?

The witness wasn't speculating. The eye witness observed 25 feet of recently cleaned dark liquid drag marks.

 

[stan laurel]

I don't see blood spatter in the garage or under the door because the door is completely closed, so I don't see how it could be concluded that the door was open at the time of the murders.

the door in the picture is covering a spot about the size of a potato latka.

 

[otto]

still look drabbley to me imo

No one expects that a photo focusing on approximately 5 square feet of sidewalk is the same as eye witness reports.

Are we now going to argue that the eye witness is wrong ... simply because we want to see something entirely different in a photo?

It strikes me as making a mockery of these murders when facts are repeatedly twisted into something silly.

 

[LoisLane]

What does ligament, or muscle, tissue look like?

The witness wasn't speculating. The eye witness observed 25 feet of recently cleaned dark liquid drag marks.

I am witnessing a close-up video of chunky blood in the groove of the concrete.

 

[otto]

The chunky stuff in the cracks look like the chunky stuff that flies out of someones mouth when they are punched in the mouth. I am speculating, the same as the witness who claims it is drag marks.

I have no experience with people being punched in the mouth such that human tissue shoots onto concrete, and I'm shocked that this is something so familiar to some.

Personally, I cannot begin to imagine how a photo of bloody human tissue on a sidewalk can be identified as anything other than bloody human tissue.

Can we use our imagination and present really disgusting possibilities, like the discussion earlier today about "yellow bile"? Sure. Everyone can be really disgusting, just like a 14 year old that wants to offend his parents.

 

[LoisLane]

No one expects that a photo focusing on approximately 5 square feet of sidewalk is the same as eye witness reports.

Are we now going to argue that the eye witness is wrong ... simply because we want to see something entirely different in a photo?

It strikes me as making a mockery of these murders when facts are repeatedly twisted into something silly.

Can you please post the eye witness comment so I can see what you are talking about?

 

[Slebby]

At what time in the video can we see blood under the garage door?

I see blood near the garage door at about 30 seconds in.

 

[otto]

the door in the picture is covering a spot about the size of a potato latka.

Please show me ... put a circle around the spot where there is blood spatter under the door.

 

[LoisLane]

I have no experience with people being punched in the mouth such that human tissue shoots onto concrete, and I'm shocked that this is something so familiar to some.

Personally, I cannot begin to imagine how a photo of bloody human tissue on a sidewalk can be identified as anything other than bloody human tissue.

I have seen enough bloody splats fly out of mouths of boxers and I don't even watch that type of entertainment. It is violent and gruesome and it takes a hard punch to acheive that. I assure you the Liknes family has seen or been in a few matches themselves.

 

[otto]

Can you please post the eye witness comment so I can see what you are talking about?

[modsnip]

This is how to find the statement really quickly ... I'm all in favour of empowering others ... google --> "liknes" "drag" "metres", and there it is at the top of the list:

"Drag marks could be seen near evidence tags on the walkway of a home where three people were reported missing Monday.

Police would not comment on the drag marks, which ran about eight metres from a side door to the driveway and appeared to be a dark liquid that was recently cleaned up."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/0...lgary-grandparents-and-young-boy-went-missing

 

[otto]

I am witnessing a close-up video of chunky blood in the groove of the concrete.

Looks like bloody human tissue - nothing more, nothing less.

 

[LoisLane]

When we are finished with the blood debate I would like to know more about the house the police van is parked in. The house was for sale at the time, it could have been vacant. It had been staged in the photos with furnishings, it could have been rented out at the time or the owner or other family member could have been living in it. I believe it has a connection to the Liknes family and may have been searched as a potential crime scene.

 

[news.talk]

It looks like the vehicle is simply parked in the driveway across the street from the crime scene, so I doubt that it is part of the investigation.

The photos are from the video. It seems rather obvious that the drag marks are related to the victims.

That is exactly what my driveway looked like after my son took a bad spill when he was little. Head injury with tons of blood. I was too busy rushing him to the ER to clean it and it dried exactly like those photos. A very dark rusty red.

The swiping in the bottom photo doesn't look like it was made from a body or something of an irregular shape - it's more uniform in pattern. Almost like someone tried to hide drops/pools of blood by swiping their shoe. That, or something that contained a body.

 

[stan laurel]

No one expects that a photo focusing on approximately 5 square feet of sidewalk is the same as eye witness reports.

Are we now going to argue that the eye witness is wrong ... simply because we want to see something entirely different in a photo?
It strikes me as making a mockery of these murders when facts are repeatedly twisted into something silly.

we all see things differently, some people are very fixed in their seeing others see things other ways,, some people colour within the lines, others outside of the lines, some scribble and others stroke. I didn't say the eyewitness was wrong I merely stated my opinion on what I think a drag mark looks like and I had only seen the other picture.
and when has this case ever been presented as mockery, there are very active sleuthers digesting more info than msm has reported and try to present that info without breaking WS rules.

 

[LoisLane]

[modsnip]

This is how to find the statement really quickly ... I'm all in favour of empowering others ... google --> "liknes" "drag" "metres", and there it is at the top of the list:

"Drag marks could be seen near evidence tags on the walkway of a home where three people were reported missing Monday.

Police would not comment on the drag marks, which ran about eight metres from a side door to the driveway and appeared to be a dark liquid that was recently cleaned up."

http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/07/0...lgary-grandparents-and-young-boy-went-missing

I posted a link for you today. It is helpful when we can have it handy instead of searching and since you know so much about it is probably faster for you to pull whatever you are referencing.

That description of drag marks is an assumption of what it could be just like mine is. You are looking at a photo as am I. The reporter may not have used the correct term or the photographer who took it.

 

[stan laurel]

I have no experience with people being punched in the mouth such that human tissue shoots onto concrete, and I'm shocked that this is something so familiar to some.

Personally, I cannot begin to imagine how a photo of bloody human tissue on a sidewalk can be identified as anything other than bloody human tissue.

Can we use our imagination and present really disgusting possibilities, like the discussion earlier today about "yellow bile"? Sure. Everyone can be really disgusting, just like a 14 year old that wants to offend his parents.

We were discussing the other picture and we are discussing a murder where bodily fluids might be present, how would you like it to be presented? If you find our post offensive then report them.

 

[otto]

The only thing I see is confirmation that the 25 feet of drag marks observed on the morning that the victims were reported missing is blood and human tissue, not grease from a garbage bag ... or whatever other alternate scenario was presented on the basis of not having facts.

 

[news.talk]

I posted a link for you today. It is helpful when we can have it handy instead of searching and since you know so much about it is probably faster for you to pull whatever you are referencing.

That description of drag marks is an assumption of what it could be just like mine is. You are looking at a photo as am I. The reporter may not have used the correct term or the photographer who took it.

Where did the photos go that you had? They were there and I quoted it in my reply. Did they go *proof* like my mis-spent youth?

 

[LoisLane]

The only thing I see is confirmation that the 25 feet of drag marks observed on the morning that the victims were reported missing is blood and human tissue, not grease from a garbage bag ... or whatever other alternate scenario was presented on the basis of not having facts.

Yes, but the police would not comment or confirm that as per the link you posted. It has not been confirmed as drag marks. The drag mark comment could be the same as the violent incident/struggle issue.

 

[otto]

Where did the photos go that you had? They were there and I quoted it in my reply. Did they go *proof* like my mis-spent youth?

The last thing I want to do is upload photos that result in wild speculation and assumptions about murder victims. I'm sure someone else knows how to add them to the thread for that purpose.