Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #17

[LoisLane]

It is a full house on this full moon night!

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Do we need the police to verify eye witness statements before we believe them?

Violent Incident is a legal term. Newspapers normally use layman's terminology, so "violent incident" was written as "violent struggle". Is it not obvious that there was a violent struggle ... given the bloody crime scene?

Just an interjection....and an example of 'painting a picture' for people through our words....no offense intended Otto. "Bloody crime scene"...where did that come from? Us? Or LE? There are words that put a horrible vision in our mindseye....I had a bleeding nose at the lake once in the middle of the night...I never get bleeding noses...it wouldn't stop...it was on the pillow, on the bed, I had mitt-fuls of Kleenex, rags and papertowel to stop the bleeding...when I stood up out of bed it was dripping all over the floor. It didn't hurt one bit...but the amount of blood was remarkable and the damage it caused was unbelievable...it very well could have "looked" like a bloody crime scene. That's not to say that a crime did not occur at the Parkhill home, as LE have stated, evidence suggests that it did. It is to point out that situations can easily become blown out of proportion just by a few words and/or the sight of blood. We don't know what happened in that house yet.

 

[Krystine]

I beg to differ news.talk. I've been around this crime forum long enough to know that many, many family members read here and in many cases, post and discuss, looking for answers..

I would hope if family members are aware of this site, that they would get a good vibe from the people who contribute. I know it sounds cliche, but life goes on, ... and people being human even crack jokes and twist off a little at funerals and by the bed sides of the gravely ill. It cushions the reality a bit...like whistling in the graveyard...People are also curious and problem solvers by nature.
This site is an opportunity for some of us to put our critical thinking skills to the test to try to help or enlighten somehow.
If family members are here, I am hoping they feel the deceased are being respected by our group.

 

[deugirtni]

I will definitely take the latke then

Latka was Andy Kaufmann on Taxi.
Latka is 1 potato pancake. Latke is more than 1...plural.

 

[deugirtni]

My guys liked the chickenballs and wonton and maybe a bit of rice when they were young. (in fact, now that they're older too, that's all they want, and maybe the 'jardoo chicken wings')

I can do Chinese after 10, if it was my only alternative. I did wonder though, what littleguy had, if maybe there was a side trip made for McD's. I don't know too many little kids that would eat Chinese, or Szechwan. They don't tend to like their stuff all mixed up together.

 

[Krystine]

You would need multiple tazers, and the effects aren't long lasting.

Do you mean they are only good for one 'shot'?
The effects wouldn't need to be long lasting. We all know what the end result of the attack was.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

It is a full house on this full moon night!

Cuz there's lots of action!

 

[stan laurel]

I think various family members would be aware of the comings and goings in that house. Someone could have made use of it. It is a very powerful coincidence.

I dated two trust fund gals in my youth (cough) and both had houses bought for them at age 21 (one of them just southwest of parkhill in a chi chi neighbourhood. the house might have been that type of set up.

 

[Krystine]

I dated two trust fund gals in my youth (cough) and both had houses bought for them at age 21 (one of them just southwest of parkhill in a shesshy neighbourhood. the house might have been that type of set up.

I've heard of chi-chi neighbourhoods, but never shesshy ones. Link please

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

The only thing I see is confirmation that the 25 feet of drag marks observed on the morning that the victims were reported missing is blood and human tissue, not grease from a garbage bag ... or whatever other alternate scenario was presented on the basis of not having facts.

I'm at a loss for where the tissue is. I just see what looks like blood concentrating in a chip in the sidewalk.

 

[Krystine]

like a cattle prod or the initiator part of an electrified fence to keep cattle in/out?

I wouldn't be at all surprised.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I dated two trust fund gals in my youth (cough) and both had houses bought for them at age 21 (one of them just southwest of parkhill in a shesshy neighbourhood. the house might have been that type of set up.

Any idea when they moved out of the house and it became vacant? Is that one of them that is now up for sale? It is an interesting coincidence. I'm sure someone was looking after the grass, the mail maybe, checking things out...who moves out and leaves a house and never has it checked on? Unless they're not in the country and someone else was assigned to do that.
Where does JS live? (oh...don't answer that).

 

[deugirtni]

Ok, I feel dumb for asking, but.... am I the only one that had not noticed what appears to be blood 'streams' below what appears to me to be an alarm panel on the left side of the garage door? At the time I saw them for the first time (within the last day), I thought... omg! but somehow I figured I had just missed that and that likely everyone else already noticed them longggggg ago.. but then I thought I had better check to make sure.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Do you mean they are only good for one 'shot'?
The effects wouldn't need to be long lasting. We all know what the end result of the attack was.

What about a cross-bow then? That's quiet.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

What about a cross-bow then? That's quiet.

Single shot. Not accurate or immediate enough.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Single shot. Not accurate or immediate enough.

Ahhh....of course. You'ld have to reload your arrow. No time for that.
Knives are quiet and quick if you know what you're doing.
Have we ever discussed the possibility that perhaps the victims were stabbed? (Sorry, sounds terrible)

 

[YYC Lady]

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Link to searching land titles online. Some info available without purchasing title, but to get ownership info, it requires payment ($10)

 

[Tinkerbel1]

"...not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse..."

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Looks like bloody human tissue - nothing more, nothing less.

So what I don't get is - if the sidewalk was 'cleaned' after, how did that material stay stuck and not get washed away? The only (gross) conclusion I can come up with, is after the murderer cleaned up, he walked past and the material was stuck to his shoe? Sorry guys, I hate this gore, it's quite upsetting.

Also why wasn't such a noticeable piece of bloody material marked with a marker? Anyone have thoughts on this?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Ok, I feel dumb for asking, but.... am I the only one that had not noticed what appears to be blood 'streams' below what appears to me to be an alarm panel on the left side of the garage door? At the time I saw them for the first time (within the last day), I thought... omg! but somehow I figured I had just missed that and that likely everyone else already noticed them longggggg ago.. but then I thought I had better check to make sure.

Good eye, it does look like that.

So we know DG can supposedly (according to rumor) unarm alarm systems, although the alarm doesn't look tampered with, and doubtful he could unarm with code. So why would the murderer be all over the alarm system after/during the crime? Or was it a victim trying to open the garage in a panic/distress?

Maybe someone was injured inside and thought to be dead, but they managed to drag themselves outside and was trying to get into the garage for a weapon to fight back but was caught outside by the assailant where the spatter happened?

It also looks like a man sized hand print on the garage door.