GUILTY Canada - Amber Kirwan, 19, New Glasgow, NS, 9 Oct 2011 - #1

[Hazel]

Actually, Hazel, I believe you are correct in that you discovered a very poorly written statement, made by me.

Here is what I said: Quote: "Or, maybe, for this one case, we should overlook all but the New Glasgow News, because they seem to favour the person who named himself a person of interest with a CBC reporter; and they don't seem to have much interest in reporting what his mother wants reported."

I apologize for my wording, and hope the following is better: 'Or, maybe, for this one case, we should overlook all but the New Glasgow News, who appears to favour, imo, the person who named himself a person of interest with a CBC reporter; and the CBC, imo, doesn't seem to have much interest in reporting what his mother wants reported.'

(respectfully snipped and bolded by me)

Apologies accepted glad you clarified, I was starting to think I needed more sleep LOL I see now that in the second "they" you meant "the CBC" and not the NG Times.

 

[Hazel]

Now, regarding the 1:45 a.m. and the 2:00 a.m. debate--I believe this is a fifteen minute time span, no? Do you have a link for a 'press release' where LE confirms the exact time Amber left Dooly's? I would be interested in reading that, if you would be so kind as to provide me with one.

(respectfully snipped by me)
Re your request for a 'press release' where LE confirms the exact time Amber left Dooly's, these quotes from the very first news articles posted on first pages of this thread.

We need to keep in mind all these are preliminary reports, some made within the first hours, based on the initial information.
We all know that video surveillance camera clocks are not always in sync with the 'official time'.
I think it would be wise to wait for today's statements from both LE and Amber's parents. After 3 weeks I believe LE might release more precise information than they did initially, after having had time to check ALL the surveillance videos and ALL the cellphone records.

I can no longer access any of the original CBC videos links anymore wanted to find one where we could see LE being interviewed. Will keep searching perhaps I might be able to get another link to work. Actually, I don't even understand why you are asking me to find this info for you, when what I was questioning was the Metro News recently mentioning "around 02:00 am", but here it goes:

Police said Amber Kirwan was last seen outside Dooly's in the northern Nova Scotia town at 1:30 a.m. Sunday.
Last Updated: Oct 10, 2011 7:58 PM AT
CBC News: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/10/ns-search-new-glasgow-woman.html

Amber Kirwan, 19, left Dooly’s in New Glasgow around 1:30 a.m. on Sunday and headed towards Big Al’s to meet her boyfriend, but never arrived at her destination.
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Kirwan’s family reported her missing to police Sunday evening. She was last seen at Dooly’s New Glasgow at 1:30 a.m. on Sunday morning and has not been seen or heard from since that time. She was last seen wearing dark clothing.
(original article dated 10-10-2011 -- updated 2 days later)
New Glasgow News: http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/2011-10-10/article-2773021/Amber-Kirwan-still-missing/1

"About 1:30 am the group decided it was time to leave
Atlantic CTV video clip: http://atlantic.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111010/missing_woman_111010/20111010/?hub=AtlanticHome

Police in New Glasgow, N.S., said Amber Kirwan was last seen early Sunday at a local pool hall where she’d gone with a group of friends.

They say that shortly after 1:30 a.m. local time she left her friends to meet her boyfriend at a convenience store.
Published on October 11, 2011
Cape Breton Post: http://www.capebretonpost.com/News/Local/2011-10-11/article-2773389/Town-searches-for-missing-19yearold-woman-last-seen-at-Nova-Scotia-pool-hall/1

"Amber Kirwan, 19, was last seen at Dooley's bar in New Glasgow, NS (Pictou County area) on Sunday, October 9th around 1:30 am.
Missing person poster: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/319628_633367476064_172301492_34741003_1522216535_n.jpg

"It was around 1:30 a.m. Sunday when she said goodbye to her friends and left for a five-minute walk to meet her boyfriend. But she never showed up."
CBC News Nova Scotia: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/10/11/ns-missing-woman-friends-search.html

 

[Truth Prevails]

(respectfully snipped by me)
Re your request for a 'press release' where LE confirms the exact time Amber left Dooly's, these quotes from the very first news articles posted on first pages of this thread.

We need to keep in mind all these are preliminary reports, some made within the first hours, based on the initial information.
We all know that video surveillance camera clocks are not always in sync with the 'official time'.
I think it would be wise to wait for today's statements from both LE and Amber's parents. After 3 weeks I believe LE might release more precise information than they did initially, after having had time to check ALL the surveillance videos and ALL the cellphone records.

I can no longer access any of the original CBC videos links anymore wanted to find one where we could see LE being interviewed. Will keep searching perhaps I might be able to get another link to work. Actually, I don't even understand why you are asking me to find this info for you, when what I was questioning was the Metro News recently mentioning "around 02:00 am", but here it goes:

Hazel: My goodness, I am very sorry if you believe I was requesting you to go out of your way to find me a link. It was certainly your question that first questioned the "around 2:00 a.m." time. (Around 2:00 a.m. is, in my humblest opinion, quite close to the approximate time of 1:45 a.m. released by LE.)

As you twice questioned me on this, I thought perhaps I was missing something and, as a favour, you might inform me of something with an exact time.

No worries, please. I have all the links containing the approximate time.

BTW--I have checked and all the CBC links open for me, (as well as the others.)

 

[Hazel]

Amber Kirwan's parents plead for public's help
CBC News - Nova Scotia - Last Updated: Nov 1, 2011 3:01 PM AT

The parents of a missing New Glasgow woman held a news conference Tuesday to ask the public to come forward with any information they may have about their daughter, who has been missing since Oct. 9.

Donald and Marjorie Kirwan appeared briefly before the cameras at the New Glasgow Police Service to make a statement on the disappearance of their daughter Amber Kirwan. They were joined by New Glasgow police Const. Ken Macdonald.

They did not take any questions.

Marjorie Kirwan said that their daughter is "beautiful" inside and out, and the family looks foward to seeing her again.

full article & VIDEO http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2011/11/01/ns-amber-kirwan-parents.html

 

[Oceansalt]

Amber's Mother looked so sad and so tired as did her father during the statement . I have children Amber's age and I just can't imagine. How do you sleep, eat, shower....just do those everyday things when your child is missing. I work with a cousin of Amber's and see the weariness in her eyes daily. It is just sooo sad. Please be home soon Amber.

 

[elepher50]

Just watched the news conference and echo Oceansalt's comments that Amber's parents look extremely tired. Very stressful situation not knowing where your loved one is.

Please let there be a break in this case and Amber is found.

Call RCMP/New Glasgow police/Crime Stoppers and leave any tips no matter how small you think they might be - let the police decide.

Simply heartbreaking for Amber's family.

 

[Hazel]

Video: Amber Kirwan's mother urging people with info to come forward

Marjorie Kirwan says if you know something about her daughter's disappearance, tell police

STAY STRONG AMBER
LOVE
DAD​

COME HOME SOON AMBER
LOVE
MOMMY DEAREST​

Metro News: http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/local/article/1012043--video-amber-kirwan-s-mother-urging-people-with-info-to-come-forward

 

[CatFancier]

Marjorie Kirwan spoke briefly at a news conference on Tuesday, calling her daughter Amber Kirwan a sweet, innocent person.

"We want the public to know what kind of a daughter Amber is. ... She's not only beautiful on the outside, she's beautiful on the inside," said Kirwan as she sat beside her husband Donald.

http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/canada/article/1012433--mother-of-missing-woman-makes-plea-for-help

 

[Wondergirl]

Wodergirl: I, also, can appreciate your advise. However, are you suggesting that Mr. Sutherland, while not under direction form LE or anyone, approached the media with info that law enforcement did not want out there; and, perhaps, is not true? And that the media--acting irresponsibly and without fact checking--went ahead and reported?

Or, are you suggesting that the media approached Mr. Sutherland for an interview and he stated things that may or may not be true; and the media (again acting irresponsibly and without fact checking), reported anyway; simply hoping for a good story?

What about the information reported as coming from MC's mother? You know, (and I can provide links from the 'local media', as well as others who then carried the story), the little facts like MC had someone with him that night; and that there were still people at 'home' while MC was 'intending' to 'meet' Amber at Big Al's? How and why did this information get released? Law enforcement has not commented on it.

Why should we believe this information, (because it favours MC)--but not the information provided by Mr. Sutherland (because it is not necessarily so favourable), through the CTV news? Surely, they both deserve equal weight.

(I note that in the CTV Atlantic video carrying the 'story' of Mr. Sutherland, Const. MacDonald does comment; though it is only about the 'police vehicle' seen in the video of Amber leaving Dooly's.)

I hope you realize that the media does work in conjunction with law enforcement when reporting on crime. They are not lone mavericks irresponsibly reporting information that may 'hinder' the work of law enforcement.

I certainly never meant to imply that Mr. Sutherland was acting under 'direction' from LE; but I do not believe that that man would have deliberately provided false information; nor do I believe that the CTV would have reported false information. Yes, I believe they 'fact' check, and receive some amount of 'consent' before releasing this type of information.

I may believe that 'more' could have been reported; however, I suspect that shut-off point (regarding what info the media releases to the public), does come from LE.

I understand that 'law enforcement' has a job to do; and I want them to do that job. I do not agree that the tiny bits of information that we are afforded--and shoud be afforded through freedom of speech--will in any way hinder the investigation.

Actually, I believe it just might help.

BBM: Motivation is the key.

Equal weight? Well, equal consideration for sure.

I don't really understand how my post got misconstrued, but, I do apologize.

All I meant was that LE may or may not have had an influence on Mr. Sutherland's statement, and, there may or may not have been an investigative reason for Mr. Sutherland's discussion of the very specific comments made about the video from Big Al's that night.

I have no idea what sort of fact checking methods the various media outlets utilize.

LE have a job to do, and like all cases, the media can be useful and sometimes against the grain. Good wth the bad. The media has a job to do, and so does LE.

I agree with all who said, the main focus is to find Amber. Where are you, Amber?

 

[Hazel]

CBC-Maritime Noon Radio-Wednesday November 2, 2011

The beginning of the radio show is about Amber's disappearance, parent's emotional appeal, then there is an interview with the person coordinating the volunteer effort in NG, who says she is bf's with MC's mother..

Missing Woman, ...
We check in with volunteers, three and a half weeks after Amber Kirwan went missing in New Glasgow, NS.

http://www.cbc.ca/maritimenoon/2011/11/02/missing-woman-early-french-immersion-unilingual-auditor-general/

 

[elepher50]

New Glasgow police say Marjorie and Donald Kirwan’s appeal to the public has generated increased tips and information regarding their daughter’s disappearance.

“As a result police have received numerous tips and information from both our police line and our Crime Stoppers organization,” said Const. Ken MacDonald of the New Glasgow Police Service.

http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/local/article/1014206--plea-from-kirwan-s-parents-brings-in-tips

 

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http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/local/article/1014206--plea-from-kirwan-s-parents-brings-in-tips

I find that odd. Why would their plea generate more tips and leads? No disrespect to the parents, I believe it was the right thing to do but there was nothing in their statement that would result in more tips.

If people had information why wait until the parents made a plea to call it in, kwim? :waitasec:

 

[elepher50]

I find that odd. Why would their plea generate more tips and leads? No disrespect to the parents, I believe it was the right thing to do but there was nothing in their statement that would result in more tips.

If people had information why wait until the parents made a plea to call it in, kwim? :waitasec:

I don't "get it" either. Makes not one iota bit of sense to me.

 

[LadyCat]

Maybe it jogged some consciences of people with info. :twocents: One can hope so, anyway.

 

[Wondergirl]

I find that odd. Why would their plea generate more tips and leads? No disrespect to the parents, I believe it was the right thing to do but there was nothing in their statement that would result in more tips.

If people had information why wait until the parents made a plea to call it in, kwim? :waitasec:

I don't "get it" either. Makes not one iota bit of sense to me.

I agree.

It makes me wish her parents had spoken out sooner.

Look what happened in Kienan Hiebert's case. He was returned after his parents spoke out.

 

[UncoolNegated]

I agree. I wonder if someone was just trying to make their efforts appear to be fruitful.

When I read it, it sounded like fluff to me.

I find that odd. Why would their plea generate more tips and leads? No disrespect to the parents, I believe it was the right thing to do but there was nothing in their statement that would result in more tips.

If people had information why wait until the parents made a plea to call it in, kwim? :waitasec:

 

[TxLady2]

Then why does LE usually encourage families to speak out in public? You never know, it just might spur someone to action, or it could jog someone's memory of some little something they saw or heard. It can't hurt and it just might help. We should be supportive of these parents, not critical of them.

 

[Hazel]

Tonight will mark four weeks since Amber went missing she needs to be found!

Here is new Facebook group for Amber:

Leave a light on for Amber Kirwan's safe return home

https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/167852069968209/

 

[Hazel]

REWARD money to be increased from $5000 to $15,000

The reward will only be awarded to someone when the information they provide to the Police/RCMP has lead them directly to Amber Kirwan.


more info at link: http://ngtalks.com/?p=661 (posted Nov. 5, 2011)

Anyone with information about her whereabouts contact New Glasgow Police Service, or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS or by Secure Web Tips at www.crimestoppers.ns.ca.

Amber's Crime Stoppers page

PLEASE bring this nightmare for everyone to an end!

 

[Dee10]

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