CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #1

[Snoopster]

She was a master bridge and Sudoku player, a recipe hound, an animal lover, a library junkie, and a car buff who recently bought herself a racy Camaro.

"She was caring, kind, shy at times, stubborn, fair, real," said Lynne Vanstone, Gleave's friend of 30 years. "She had a beautiful mind, a kind soul, she was eccentric and giving.

"There aren't enough words in the dictionary to properly describe our Audrey."

http://www.brantfordexpositor.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2917051

I love this description of Audrey. I wish I had known her.

 

[Missizzy]

I've been very surprised at the number of Gleaves in the world. It's not a name I've come across before. Concerning the birthmother looking for her birthchild, it's possible. That AG gave birth in 1969 in Philadelphia:

"ISO daughter born Feb 5, 1969, in Presbyterian Hospital in Philadelphia...."

However, if you check Intelius, there is an AG in that area currently, who is 58.

And:

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/a...n-public-after-horrific-killing-of-woman?bn=1

"...the retired schoolteacher lived alone in the home she built with her ex-husband, A. Gleave, more than 35 years ago. Mr. Gleave was a chemical engineering student when he met Audrey at McMaster University, where she studied physics. They got married in 1969, on the day she graduated from teachers’ college, and were divorced about eight years afterward. Mr. Gleave, who moved to Sturgeon Falls, Ont., in 1974, said he hadn’t spoken to his ex-wife since 1976...."

I guess it's possible that she left school to have a child but it would be odd to then marry. McMaster University is not far from where Ms. Gleave lived and died, Hamilton, ON.


Wanted to add that I've noticed that the police are very careful to say that she died inside the house.

 

[Snoopster]

Wanted to add that I've noticed that the police are very careful to say that she died inside the house.

I wonder if inside the garage would be considered inside the house. (It's quite common for houses in Ontario to have direct entries from the garage into the house.)

 

[Missizzy]

Snoopster--Could you please provide a link for that paper. I find an abstract for what I think might be the correct one--either 1967 or 1968. That would have been before Audrey graduated from "teacher's college" at McMaster. That little snip looks more like a thesis or high level paper.

Yes, I don't think that there's any question that she was a very bright woman. Interesting that she chose to teach high school physics. That, again, is a conundrum. High school is very touchy-feely and "messy". One would think that someone with Ms. Gleave's personality profile might choose a career in research.

 

[Snoopster]

Snoopster--Could you please provide a link for that paper. I find an abstract for what I think might be the correct one--either 1967 or 1968. That would have been before Audrey graduated from "teacher's college" at McMaster. That little snip looks more like a thesis or high level paper.

Yes, I don't think that there's any question that she was a very bright woman. Interesting that she chose to teach high school physics. That, again, is a conundrum. High school is very touchy-feely and "messy". One would think that someone with Ms. Gleave's personality profile might choose a career in research.

Sorry about that. I forgot to attach the link. Here it is:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B7MDS-51D1GYB-1&_user=10&_coverDate=12%2F31%2F1967&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1599938636&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=71205c94cced0c39de68d8b7ac71055f&searchtype=a

Yes, it does seem more like a 'snip' than an abstract, but that is what it is called on the Science Direct website.

I do think it was likely her father. There is still a chance that it was Audrey, but I see other papers published in the late 1960's and early 1970's which include "A. Doveika". In 1967 Audrey would have been 30. She could have been involved in the research a few years before that and it was finally being published. Perhaps she became frustrated with the political challenges of being a female in the academic scientific world and decided to go to teachers college in 1968 (she graduated in 1969) and leave all of that behind. She got married in 1969.

As far as being a teacher, I can recall going to my high school guidance department in the 1970's and saying that my favourite subjects were chemistry and math. The counsellors said, "oh, you could be a chemistry teacher!" and, "oh, you could be a math teacher!" They didn't have a lot of imagination back then and females weren't exactly expected to do much other than become teachers, nurses or secretaries. I can't imagine what it was like for a bright female graduating from high school in the 1950s!

In any case I'm guessing her students were glad she became a teacher and shared her enthusiasm for science.

 

[Canadian4]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand the relevance of the link. (Of course I also don't understand the abstract of the article that I linked to above! )

There is an Audrey Gleave looking for a child she gave birth to in 1969. The name is not common but I thought it was worth the mention.

 

[Snoopster]

There is an Audrey Gleave looking for a child she gave birth to in 1969. The name is not common but I thought it was worth the mention.

Yes, sorry I missed that. My excuse is that it was a long busy week at work and it's Friday night! Thanks.

 

[LadyL]

Clearly Audrey was very bright. I would be surprised if at least one of her parents wasn't a scientist.

I came across this link, which is an abstract from "Nuclear Data Sheets" published in Dec. 1967. One of the authors was "A. Doveika", from McMaster University/ Chalk River Nuclear Laboratories. I suspect it was either Audrey or her father.



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If this turns out to be her or her dad, I'm probably going to lose it ... wayyyy too much of that going on lately (nuclear scientists dying etc.)

 

[WmHersey]

I think the paper was probably Audrey. I graduated McMaster in 1966 and have a publication in the library there that was a requirement for my thesis. I also did research there after I graduated. I would think she got her degree in physics at McMaster probably graduating in 1967 and then took her teachers training. As I remember it they were separate things. If I had wanted to teach after getting my degree I would have had to take two years teachers training.

I don't think I ever crossed paths with her but I feel so sad because our lives seem to have followed a similar path.

 

[Missizzy]

It certainly could be Audrey but I also find a notation:

"The 1917, 1923 and 1930 keV levels. Several authors [table 1 of ref. .... 1) L.V. Groshev, B.A. Bartholomew, A.M. Demidov, A. Doveika, V.I. Palekhov, .... Work supported in part by the Atomic Energy Control Board of Canada...."

from a Google search on Doveika and 1930. This seems as if it could have been her father, possibly after he arrived in Canada from Eastern Europe. So maybe the family had been in Canada as early as 1917--20 years before she was born. Several of the scientific papers that come up seem to pertain to nuclear physics, radiation and gamma rays. There seems to be a body of work in the 20s and 30s and then again in the late 60s through 70s. It's highly likely that Audrey's father's first name started with an "A". I know nothing about this subject but am wondering if it would be typical for a person writing these papers to be a high school physics teacher? These look to be the work of a research scientist.

A. Doveika also shows up a number of times in the 60s and 70s connected with the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee concerning the "Radiation Shielding Information Center."

http://www-rsicc.ornl.gov/Newsletters/news.68/news68.february.pdf

 

[Missizzy]

PK, the "handyman", seems like a genuinely likable and sweet guy. He's certainly grieving Ms. Gleave's murder. How horrid to discover a scene like that. I've been going over all the interviews with him and I have to say that he seems to consider Ms. Gleave a very very close friend--more like a beloved family member. Or a person who was "more than a friend".

Our family had a gardener for several years and he and I worked side by side, when planting flowers. I am about 30 years older than the man. I just can't imagine him talking about me this way and we were really quite close and comfortable together. He attended my granddaughter's funeral and gave me the most loving hug. Might be nothing but strikes me as a bit odd.

http://brantfordexpositor.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2917051

"....PK said he is really going to miss his friend Audrey Gleave when the weather turns warmer and it's time again to prepare the garden.

"Spring was really Audrey's and my time," said PK outside the Beckett-Glaves Funeral Home on Wednesday following a memorial service for Gleave.

PK, who worked part-time for Gleave on the property at her home west of Lynden, discovered her slain body on Dec. 30. The 73-year-old retired school teacher had been sexually assaulted and stabbed several times.

"I'm trying to move past what happened last week," said PK, of Hamilton. "I'm in shock. I thought we had lots of years to spend together."

more at link

 

[Canadian4]

I wonder how her estate will be settled with no known relatives. I wonder if a dog charity might be mentioned in her will.

 

[Missizzy]

Not sure who will inherit the estate but she had identified an executor, her friend, LV. Being that she was so involved with the Ancaster Pet Cemetery, I wouldn't be surprised if she remembered them. Her friend, the vet, Dr. DC, recently handed over ownership of the cemetery to his two sons. One of those sons is a shepherd breeder and took in Ms. Gleave's two dogs. From Ms. Gleave's obituary:

http://www.lifenews.ca/thespec/profile/173771--gleave-audrey

"....Donations to the S.P.C.A. would be appreciated. Online condolences, donations, service details and live funeral webcast will be available at www.beckettglaves.com. A tree will be planted in memory of Audrey in the Beckett-Glaves Memorial Forest...."

 

[tiredblondy]

It almost sounds like she had a touch of Aspergers, the talking above people's heads about something she enjoyed, the difficulty with social relationships and changes in schedules such as the golf situation.

 

[Wondergirl]

Today I met up with an acquaintance who is a long-time member of the Brantford Golf and Country Club and the same age as Audrey. I felt certain that (let’s call her Suzy, not her real name) would know Audrey.
The following is what she told me, no interpretation from me nor am I making any judgement nor speculations.
In Suzie’s words
Audrey was:
-paranoid, extremely private, you simply didn’t ask A about anything personal and if you did she would divert the question and talk about something else. A. never mentioned her mother or father and referred to her X as “fart face” and disliked him. A. had a very beautiful ring which he gave her and remarked that was the best thing of the relationship and that he was never getting it back.
- Hoarder with piles of stuff everywhere. I asked if A. was a hoarder that would make that TV show and she replied yes. A. never dusted nor vacuumed.
-the dogs were very mean and were barracked in the kitchen. Suzie said that when Lynn visited A. would use a fly swatter to keep them at bay. A. loved her dogs.
-A. also had a horse at one time, one day when she showed up to golf A. was upset and explained that her horse had passed away. Suzie didn’t even know she had a horse.
-A. was extremely text book smart and could fix her own TV. Suzie recounted a day when they were sitting around the club and talking about a sunroom that someone was having installed. A. had no idea what a sunroom was. It wasn’t in any book that A. would have been interested in.
-A. loved to talk over their heads about physics and took great pleasure in knowing they had no idea what she was talking about.
-A. drove a new model Camaro for as many years as Suzie can remember.
-|A. was a bridge expert and gave up playing with people preferring to play against the computer.
-A. had 4 computers in her home.
-on Dec 23 Suzie was invited as well as another lady to Lynn’s. Suzie was certain that A. would be a no show because A. had not seen Suzie or this other lady for about the last 7 years and was not at all surprised A. said she was ill. Suzie believed A. would have been uncomfortable not having kept up.
-A. wasn’t a particularly good golfer. Suzie recounted a time when A, who had a long time golf partner that she played with at 6:30a.m. The fellow golfer invited another person to join them one day, unbeknownst to A. A. was so put off by the addition and the surprise of this that she only played 9 holes and never played with this golf partner again.
-A. played tennis in the past with the 3 friends she enjoyed coffee with. These 3 are all men. Suzie wasn’t sure if she knew them from being a teacher.
-Suzie didn’t know where A.’s body was found. Suzie believed the young man who did chores had a key.
-A. had stipulated in her will that she be buried in the pet cemetery with her beloved pets.
-A. carried all her important papers in her purse. Her purse was still in the house, undisturbed.
-A. never said a bad word about anyone and was an extremely intelligent person and very eccentric.
-A. wouldn't hurt a fly.
That’s all I can remember right now.

Wow, Lily, thanks for this insight.

I wonder if her dogs were always barracked in the kitchen, then? They may have already been contained when the perp(s) entered.

4 Computers? WHY????

She wanted to be buried in the pet cemetary?

Thanks for the laugh, I haven't heard the term "fart face" f or a really long time, lol.

 

[colette]

4 Computers? WHY????

I don't think that is so unusual, I have 4 myself. A laptop, a desktop, a netbook and a laptop for work. My husband doesn't use any of them... only me.

 

[Missizzy]

Thank you, Lily. That was tremendously informative.

I think we've mentioned Asperger's. Many people really don't grasp that you can have Asperger's and be very high functioning. My neurologist has Asperger's. So does my pharmacist. I have an adult son who has many markers of it. He "wings" it and picks up social cues to fit in. I respect him greatly as I know how hard it is and we've known since he was a few months old that he was "unique". Years ago, these people would have just been called quirky and "too bright for their own good". And, please remember, I'm speaking of a small sub-set. The people that I just mentioned would be described exactly as Ms. Gleave has been. Eccentric, different, wouldn't hurt a fly, incredibly bright, and so on.

The purchasing of one Camaro after another is also a tip-off. They are not a particularly well-reviewed car but she was comfortable with them. I wouldn't be surprised if she purchased them from the same dealer and salesperson.

The hoarding is something else which has come up. It so definitely fits with the Asperger's possibility. The fact that she related to men more than women also fits as people on the spectrum often choose one or another. And I'm not speaking of in a sexual sense. It's still a mystery to me how she related so incredibly well to high school students. That is one thing that really doesn't fit, IMO.

The dogs confuse me too. I think she loved her dogs but didn't grasp exactly how to handle animals with such strong spirit. I really wonder if she'd always had shepherds. I would be very interested to hear what happened to her horse. Wanting to be buried near her precious animals doesn't seem odd to me at all. I don't know if it will be permitted but perhaps some of her ashes could be interred near the animals' gravesites.

Even though I know it might upset some on the thread, I'm still very curious as to whether she might have ever employed a male prostitute....one whom she couldn't handle and who might have wanted that ring or who might have approached her with a threat of blackmail. If the dogs were locked in another part of the house and the neighbors couldn't hear her cries, it's highly possible that someone killed her for some of her valuables after coming to the house for other reasons. JMO

 

[fran]

Just a friendly reminder, that on Websleuths, we do not sleuth persons in a case until, or IF they become a POI by LE. This includes friends of the deceased.

For now some posts have been removed. IF this person becomes a POI, we'll reconsider and place them back on the thread. For now, this person seems to be a 'friend' of the victim and should have no links here to his personal data.

If you have any questions just pm me or one of the mods and we'll be happy to discuss this with you.

fran

 

[Missizzy]

Just a theory. This came to me after reading about a similar case about a year ago in Oregon. Medical marijuana is legal in Ontario. Ms. Gleave was obviously a greenthumb. It is possible that she qualified for a card for any number of reasons. Possibly she gave up golf due to arthritis. She was already a smoker and pot can also be ingested or inhaled through a vaporizer for those who don't like to smoke. In Ontario, one can get a card if they are terminally ill, have AIDS/HIV, Multiple Sclerosis, epilepsy, arthritis, or pain and/or symptoms of numerous other disorders. Not everyone who qualifies for a card and grows their own medicine wants their friends to know about it. In fact, most are quite secretive about it due to the very real danger of theft.

http://canadaonline.about.com/cs/marijuana/a/medmarijuana.htm

What if Ms. Gleave grew, or possibly "over-grew" for some reason. My guess is that her pot would be extremely high grade as she would tend it incredibly well. She, more than just about anyone would understand the science behind the best grows. Indoor grow operations have been known to run into the millions of dollars. I just read about a bust in Canada which netted $5.26 million CA ($5.3 million US). As in Oregon, the growers typically have cards but some over-grow to make extra money. There's a ready market for medical grade pot as it has a high THC and the various strains are said to resemble fine wines. The exotic strains can fetch very high prices.

http://www.citytv.com/toronto/cityn...26m-in-marijuana-plants-from-uxbridge-grow-op

If this grow operation existed (and please believe me when I say you'd be shocked as to who might be growing), word could have leaked out through an employee or friend. It could have been an innocent, off-hand, or even seemingly private comment. Someone even poking around her house while she was at coffee could have seen something.

Someone could have thought that Ms. Gleave would be an easy target and have staked out her house watching her routine. They might have known that she stepped outside at night to smoke and that the dogs seemed to be elsewhere in the house--possibly by just looking in a window. LE has mentioned that there could have been more than one assailant. One would think that she could be easily dispatched but she might have put up a heck of a fight. That sounds like her. But someone attempting a home invasion to steal a crop which is near or at harvest is a criminal and can be vicious.

Remember, LE stated that some of the "items" stolen had been found in a ground search. That's been reported in other invasion robberies of grows. There will be a trail of pot as the thieves harvest it and load it up as quickly as possible.

To be clear, I live in Southern Oregon, which has the highest number of medical marijuana cards, per capita, in our state. In all, over 38,000 people have the license to grow in Oregon and sadly, there has been some violence. We hardly go a week without another story in the news. I've been very very surprised to find that people I would have never expected to have a grow operation, do--especially in this economy.

Just a theory, that's all.

 

[Mercyneal]

OMG: I grew up in Ancaster. Can't recall any murders occurring when I was there.