CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #10

[Bobbi Pearl]

Thank you for noting the type of cake I just looked up a picture of it and I have never seen one either.

I find it interesting because of the shape of it,although it is described as a cake it is more like a bread loaf.

A point deeply discussed here was about a whole cake, I immediately pictured a regular stacked tall cake, requiring a cake dome platter or something. We went over our thoughts of why when Audrey’s handyman and friend arrived media reports did not mention him carrying the cake when he opened the garage.

Last report was it was a piece of cake not the whole cake. IMO it could have been in his pocket or hand if it was a piece or full loaf of this type of cake.

This detail no longer seems like a fact of contention or give reason to suspect he was pretending to find her murdered as an innocent bystander.

Note: I never thought this young friend was involved and intentionally I did not use his name, no need to open old content and upset his family again I just wanted to share the thoughts that came to my mind when I saw how small the cake is.

 

[Jade]

Thank you for noting the type of cake I just looked up a picture of it and I have never seen one either.

I find it interesting because of the shape of it,although it is described as a cake it is more like a bread loaf.

A point deeply discussed here was about a whole cake, I immediately pictured a regular stacked tall cake, requiring a cake dome platter or something. We went over our thoughts of why when Audrey’s handyman and friend arrived media reports did not mention him carrying the cake when he opened the garage.

Last report was it was a piece of cake not the whole cake. IMO it could have been in his pocket or hand if it was a piece or full loaf of this type of cake.

This detail no longer seems like a fact of contention or give reason to suspect he was pretending to find her murdered as an innocent bystander.

Note: I never thought this young friend was involved and intentionally I did not use his name, no need to open old content and upset his family again I just wanted to share the thoughts that came to my mind when I saw how small the cake is.

I’ve missed this report saying it was a piece of cake not the entire Stollen as was our understanding from the friend who posted here.

Stollen, a yeasted cake, is flaky and delicate.

A Stollens beauty is the thick layer of powdered sugar which is reminiscent of the of fresh snowfall of the season.

Homemade Stollen, a time consuming and expensive gift, would be transported and presented with care so as to enjoy its lovely form as baked.

In my experience slices are carefully cut and presented on a plate bringing just a slice gushed in a pocket is not indicative of a holiday treat baked specially for A as we were told, imo.

Having German Shepherds I would have them put up to receive my thoughtfully baked gift. Inquiring noses want to know what there is to eat and I would never risk my treat to their enthusiasm.

All imo

 

[dotr]

Who killed Audrey Gleave?

Life pulses in the countryside, trees and fields full and green in the hamlet of Lynden, near Ancaster.

www.thespec.com

Aug. 22, 2015 By Jon Wells rbbm.
''After he was interviewed by police at the scene of the homicide he drove home and along with Alex ate the cake — a “Texas stollen” cinnamon and raisin coffee ring cake.''

''Detectives continue working the case and receive occasional tips from the public.
They followed-up on a Crime Stoppers tip recently, and also on an anonymous and cryptic letter mailed to a Hamilton Spectator reporter that pointed the finger at two alleged suspects. Neither tip panned out.''

''Stewart says they have monitored information and theories on crime sleuthing social media websites. Most of it is far-fetched, but sometimes it’s useful.
While family members of victims in unsolved homicide cases are known to call detectives to lobby for resources, no one calls for Audrey Gleave. She had no family.
“We have to keep pushing for her,” says Abrams.''

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Thinking of you, Audrey. My neighbours have two German Shepard dogs, so I think of you daily. And when I see a Camaro, when I hear Amazing Grace, when I hear the name Ancaster......on and on. We are still seeking justice for you, Audrey. The cake situation still bothers me all these years later. Can you send us a sign?

Condolences for Audrey Gleave | Beckett-Glaves

GLEAVE, Audrey - Suddenly at her home on Thursday, December 30th, 2010 in her 74th year. She will be fondly remembered by her good friends Lynne Vanstone, Phil Kinsmen, and her Wednesday morning coffee group. Cremation has taken place. A Memorial Service will be held at the Beckett-Glaves Family...

beckettglaves.com

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I wonder if we put the pressure on if Global’s Cold Cases/Crime Beat would do a show about Audrey? I’m going to try to contact them today. Wish me luck.

GlobalNews - Staff Personalities | Tracy Tong

GlobalNews - Staff Personalities | Tracy Tong

globalnews.ca

 

[dotr]

Who is this vicious, savage killer and should the public still be vigilant in case they strike again, how?? speculation, imo.
2011 rbbm.
By Nicole O’Reilly and Danielle Wong

Hamilton police warn public after ‘horrific’ killing of woman

A veteran homicide detective described the murder of Audrey Gleave as horrendous, vicious and savage.

www.thestar.com

''Hamilton Police are warning people to be vigilant after the “horrific” killing of a 73-year-old retired schoolteacher in Ancaster, Ont.
A veteran homicide detective described the murder of Audrey Gleave as horrendous, vicious and savage. “In the last 10 years I can’t think of one more vicious,” Staff Sgt. Steve Hrab said, adding that the woman’s killing stands out in the top 1 per cent of worst cases he has seen.''

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Who is this vicious, savage killer and should the public still be vigilant in case they strike again, how?? speculation, imo.
2011 rbbm.
By Nicole O’Reilly and Danielle Wong

Hamilton police warn public after ‘horrific’ killing of woman

A veteran homicide detective described the murder of Audrey Gleave as horrendous, vicious and savage.

www.thestar.com

''Hamilton Police are warning people to be vigilant after the “horrific” killing of a 73-year-old retired schoolteacher in Ancaster, Ont.
A veteran homicide detective described the murder of Audrey Gleave as horrendous, vicious and savage. “In the last 10 years I can’t think of one more vicious,” Staff Sgt. Steve Hrab said, adding that the woman’s killing stands out in the top 1 per cent of worst cases he has seen.''

Wouldn’t you think that someone would be banging a drum INCESSANTLY to catch this killer? Someone young enough with stamina to never give up. Someone close to Audrey. Someone who knew her well.

BEHIND THE CRIMES: Handyman finds senior after ‘horrendous, vicious attack’

It's been nearly a decade since Audrey Gleave, 73, was found murdered in her Lynden home.

www.toronto.com

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Who locked the dogs away that night? Audrey herself?

Who is Audrey Gleave?

Darkness on the Indian Trail is a four-part true crime series about the death of Audrey Gleave. Chapter 1: Overkill.

www.thestar.com

 

[FromGermany1]

Can you send us a sign?

Begging. Please, Audrey! We will do our best to understand, promised! Where is the one mistake, this murderer made?

 

[dotr]

These news links concerning the brutal murders of 2 women ages, 69 & 74 were posted on another thread.
Reminded of AG because of their ages, all lived alone, subjected to extreme violence and the apparent 'sexual undertone, but no actual SA of all 3 women..
The profile of such an offender is below, fwiw, imo, speculation.
rbbm.

Who killed Dolores Alliotts and Joan Davis? A look into the New Jersey cold case

In 2010, two women in Bergen County were brutally murdered several months apart, and police believe one person may be responsible.

www.cbsnews.com

Dec 14 2024
"So based off the crime scenes, we don't think anything was taken," Zablocki said. "There was a sexual undertone to both cases. We don't believe either victim was sexually assaulted, but there were certain aspects of the case which were like a little bit off ... Possibly, the offender had some type of maybe fetish or something along those lines for that type of victim being an elderly woman."
'' We've interviewed hundreds of people, everybody from family members to landscapers to the handymen," Zablocki said.''
2013

Family Offers $25K Reward in Slaying of Bergen Woman

The 2010 killings of two women, in Teaneck and Palisades Park, remain unsolved. Authorities have not said the two deaths are connected.

patch.com

''Molinelli said FBI statistics pointed to a young or youthful killer, who may have shown a sudden change in behavior around the murder.
"Prior to the murder, the suspect may have attempted to interact with other women of the same age as Alliotts and may not have appeared as any threat. There may be prior or thwarted attempts to enter a home under a false pretense in the past. In many similar cases, this type of behavior goes unreported to the police," the prosecutor's statement said.''

 

[FromGermany1]

Interesting!

These news links concerning the brutal murders of 2 women ages, 69 & 74 were posted on another thread.
Reminded of AG because of their ages, all lived alone, subjected to extreme violence and the apparent 'sexual undertone, but no actual SA of all 3 women..
The profile of such an offender is below, fwiw, imo, speculation.
rbbm.

Who killed Dolores Alliotts and Joan Davis? A look into the New Jersey cold case

In 2010, two women in Bergen County were brutally murdered several months apart, and police believe one person may be responsible.

www.cbsnews.com

Dec 14 2024
"So based off the crime scenes, we don't think anything was taken," Zablocki said. "There was a sexual undertone to both cases. We don't believe either victim was sexually assaulted, but there were certain aspects of the case which were like a little bit off ... Possibly, the offender had some type of maybe fetish or something along those lines for that type of victim being an elderly woman."
'' We've interviewed hundreds of people, everybody from family members to landscapers to the handymen," Zablocki said.''
2013

Family Offers $25K Reward in Slaying of Bergen Woman

The 2010 killings of two women, in Teaneck and Palisades Park, remain unsolved. Authorities have not said the two deaths are connected.

patch.com

''Molinelli said FBI statistics pointed to a young or youthful killer, who may have shown a sudden change in behavior around the murder.
"Prior to the murder, the suspect may have attempted to interact with other women of the same age as Alliotts and may not have appeared as any threat. There may be prior or thwarted attempts to enter a home under a false pretense in the past. In many similar cases, this type of behavior goes unreported to the police," the prosecutor's statement said.''

Who killed Dolores Alliotts and Joan Davis? A look into the New Jersey cold case

In 2010, two women in Bergen County were brutally murdered several months apart, and police believe one person may be responsible.

www.cbsnews.com

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Google:
The distance between Ontario and New Jersey is 369 miles. The road distance is 462.5 miles. How do I travel from Ontario to New Jersey without a car? The best way to get from Ontario to New Jersey without a car is to bus which takes 12h 10m and costs $35 - $220.

 

[whiterhino]

Begging. Please, Audrey! We will do our best to understand, promised! Where is the one mistake, this murderer made?

The garage seems to be a good start. When Audrey was found she was wearing her coat and the dogs were in their crates inside the house. Wondering what kind of routine Audrey had with her dogs?

 

[FromGermany1]

The garage seems to be a good start. When Audrey was found she was wearing her coat and the dogs were in their crates inside the house. Wondering what kind of routine Audrey had with her dogs?

In any case, routine was to smoke in the garage. If AG couldn't sleep (and we know, she had a problem with her nightly sleep), the dogs could have been in their crate already for the night, but she wanted to smoke again.

My memory is only vague, but wasn't there a door from garage to the garden/lawn, and it was stated, that no break-in happened? Something, what had to do with that door.

Why was a little saw like for drywall construction found on AG's lawn? Who did forget the tool in the open? For what purpose was it used, indoors or outdoors? AG lived there for decades and only her, so the little saw must have been her's or someone's, she knew.

Why don't we know, whether the Camaro was moved within the garage? Had it even been possible to move the car for 1-2 mtrs back and forth (just enough to hit AG, injuring her before the murder)?

Questions only, no answers ....

 

[whiterhino]

In any case, routine was to smoke in the garage. If AG couldn't sleep (and we know, she had a problem with her nightly sleep), the dogs could have been in their crate already for the night, but she wanted to smoke again.

My memory is only vague, but wasn't there a door from garage to the garden/lawn, and it was stated, that no break-in happened? Something, what had to do with that door.

Why was a little saw like for drywall construction found on AG's lawn? Who did forget the tool in the open? For what purpose was it used, indoors or outdoors? AG lived there for decades and only her, so the little saw must have been her's or someone's, she knew.

Why don't we know, whether the Camaro was moved within the garage? Had it even been possible to move the car for 1-2 mtrs back and forth (just enough to hit AG, injuring her before the murder)?

Questions only, no answers ....

If there had been injuries from the car wouldn't this have been noted by the ME?

I recall something about batteries. I cannot find it now, searched the threads and articles for it. Something about a remote and changing the batteries? Maybe I'm misremembering?

We've been asking the same questions for over 10 years now.

 

[Catmommy]

I, too, maybe misremembering, but wasn't it Audrey's habit to crate the dogs if she was opening the door to someone? Did she routinely crate her Shepherds overnight? I wouldn't think so since they would be important for security and general peace of mind.

Audrey, we haven't given up and we'll never forget.

 

[FromGermany1]

If there had been injuries from the car wouldn't this have been noted by the ME?

I recall something about batteries. I cannot find it now, searched the threads and articles for it. Something about a remote and changing the batteries? Maybe I'm misremembering?

We've been asking the same questions for over 10 years now.

Can't remember it just now ....

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Do we know what the people in Audrey's life are doing now? Deceased? Still living in the area if young enough? Is this case "closed" or are LE still looking for clues? How about a CrimeStoppers segment.
Audrey, we're still here for you. Send one of us a clue.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Would some kind soul refresh my memory about batteries and if the car had been moved. I recall none of that. I DO recall that there had been no forced entry. PK had to use the garage door code.

Was Audrey's garage extra large? I'm no stranger to fast GM muscle cars and (in my experience) they don't leave a lot of room once parked in the garage.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Now I'm wondering where Audrey kept her car keys. Did she lock the car even though it was secured in the garage? Moreover, who would know where the keys were kept?

GM would have been able to tell LE the last time the car was active and how far it was driven. LE did take the car away for inspection, as I recall.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Why has everyone seemingly abandoned Audrey with the exception of us here at WS? Do her neighbours and the handyman even care?