CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #10

[whiterhino]

Would some kind soul refresh my memory about batteries and if the car had been moved. I recall none of that. I DO recall that there had been no forced entry. PK had to use the garage door code.

Was Audrey's garage extra large? I'm no stranger to fast GM muscle cars and (in my experience) they don't leave a lot of room once parked in the garage.

Now I'm wondering where Audrey kept her car keys. Did she lock the car even though it was secured in the garage? Moreover, who would know where the keys were kept?

GM would have been able to tell LE the last time the car was active and how far it was driven. LE did take the car away for inspection, as I recall.

From my memory the batteries had to do with PK. It was something about changing batteries. I've searched most of the threads and those terms don't produce what I'm looking for. Possible that I'm wrong and misremembering, I'll keep looking.

The keys came to mind immediately The car theory would explain so many things except that the Camaro doesn't seem to have been the motive?

It's been said by LE there was something about the crime that was borderline sexual in nature therefore I take this to be the motivator. Same with many other similar crimes, the target or recipient and the motive are one in the same.

Was a floorplan ever posted anywhere? A layout of the property and the garage would be helpful. Now that the house is gone it would probably be even harder to find since Audreys husband designed their home.

 

[whiterhino]

Why has everyone seemingly abandoned Audrey with the exception of us here at WS? Do her neighbours and the handyman even care?

I don't know that anyone abandoned Audrey, more that she didn't have very many people in her life. The people who saw Audrey most often were acquaintances that became regulars in her life.

Audrey would be about 87 now. No children or grandchildren to keep her memory alive. No extended family that she was close with. Her ex husbands and peers would also be aging.

It's been 14 years so while its sad to say, people move on. Especially when you consider how involved those people were (with the property, dogs, statements to LE etc) at one time I can understand the need to move on. JMO.

 

[FromGermany1]

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Do any of you recall discussion far back in earlier threads about AG's car/repair shops/etc? I cannot recall the details but IIRC some sleuthers were following up on something related to the possible servicing of the Camaro, may have been related to PK's connections?
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I think, around this old post from #greenthumb there might be something about "the remote and batteries", but I haven't found it yet.

Finding the post above, I want to mention (as I wanted to mention anyway!!), that Not-to-name's red-blonde brother was an employee at a GM dealer ship, afaik. The other brother (MK) with his own company was a person, who "handymannish" repaired AG's lawn mower from time to time and will have known AG's property.

 

[FromGermany1]

We will never forget .........

 

[FromGermany1]

2011

‘Did you kill Audrey Gleave?’: Charges dropped and a killer on the loose

Darkness on Indian Trail Part 4: Amazing Grace. Jon Wells looks at Audrey Gleave’s final hours and where the investigation stands.

www.thespec.com

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Audrey would have had to have her brand new Camaro serviced where she bought the vehicle for warranty purposes. I had forgotten about the men who worked at various car dealerships/service places. And IIRC, Audrey met PK at some sort of car place, not a dealership though.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Wasn't a red-orange headed man discussed way back when? Either here or in the assault in Mono thread.

ONTARIO COLD CASE: Is an arrest close in brutal attack of Shelley Loder?

The vicious attack on Shelley Loder and the murder of Sonia Varaschin occurred three months apart in 2010. Could the cases be related?

www.orangeville.com

 

[whiterhino]

Wasn't a red-orange headed man discussed way back when? Either here or in the assault in Mono thread.

ONTARIO COLD CASE: Is an arrest close in brutal attack of Shelley Loder?

The vicious attack on Shelley Loder and the murder of Sonia Varaschin occurred three months apart in 2010. Could the cases be related?

www.orangeville.com

IIRC it was a description in the Shelly Loder case of a suspect with reddish hair.

 

[whiterhino]

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Do any of you recall discussion far back in earlier threads about AG's car/repair shops/etc? I cannot recall the details but IIRC some sleuthers were following up on something related to the possible servicing of the Camaro, may have been related to PK's connections?
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I think, around this old post from #greenthumb there might be something about "the remote and batteries", but I haven't found it yet.

Finding the post above, I want to mention (as I wanted to mention anyway!!), that Not-to-name's red-blonde brother was an employee at a GM dealer ship, afaik. The other brother (MK) with his own company was a person, who "handymannish" repaired AG's lawn mower from time to time and will have known AG's property.

I found a few posts from the early threads (#78) that mention DNA in relation to AGs case. The links do not seem to work anymore, they don't take me to the articles.

Am I understanding this correctly? There was DNA or some forensics, LE collected samples from their suspect but no match? From the link (post 78 in thread 2) it says June 2011 DS results negative.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I have no recollection of any DNA that made sense. Perhaps there was DNA from the guy that hung around the area at the time, but that was just grasping at straws by LE. They were under pressure to arrest someone/anyone to save face. That’s how I remember it.

 

[whiterhino]

I have no recollection of any DNA that made sense. Perhaps there was DNA from the guy that hung around the area at the time, but that was just grasping at straws by LE. They were under pressure to arrest someone/anyone to save face. That’s how I remember it.

I remember this too because going back in the threads, that arrest takes up many pages and posts. Meanwhile charges were dropped and no POI at all.

But LE have to have a reason to collect the DNA and something to compare it to. Therefore, what could LE have collected from the scene?

I've always thought that once there is DNA involved, it's entered somewhere and compared to other known convicted offenders as well as other cases? If that is true and there was DNA at the scene, has it been running in the background somewhere this entire time?

Suddenly I'm confused.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Now I'm also very confused. Is there a link somewhere here where it says that DNA was collected at Audrey's home? I sort of ( vaguely ) recall that they took DNA from PK but it came to nothing because as her handyman, his DNA was all over the place. I'll try to locate a link for that.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I found this posted way back here on WS as I was searching for DNA

Who killed Audrey Gleave?

Life pulses in the countryside, trees and fields full and green in the hamlet of Lynden, near Ancaster.

www.thespec.com

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

More from my searching

Audrey Gleave had a premonition her life would end violently. Then she was brutally murdered in her home

Darkness on Indian Trail is a four-part true crime series about the death of Audrey Gleave. Part 1: Overkill.

www.thespec.com

 

[whiterhino]

Now I'm also very confused. Is there a link somewhere here where it says that DNA was collected at Audrey's home? I sort of ( vaguely ) recall that they took DNA from PK but it came to nothing because as her handyman, his DNA was all over the place. I'll try to locate a link for that.

I found that information earlier in the threads. I posted the link upthread here today, where someone posted a timeline.

The links to the articles didn't work for me and I haven't searched further. If I find anything I'll add it here.

 

[FromGermany1]

We will never forget .........

As a supplement:

Back on the morning of Dec. 27, 2010, with the snow-covered ground shimmering in the winter sun, Audrey had emailed a friend.
This time it wasn’t a joke or high tech article.
She did not tend to share song videos, but Audrey forwarded a link to a concert rendition of a spiritual hymn.
And that evening, as the end of her life neared, she sent the same link to a second friend.
It was a live performance of the spiritual hymn Amazing Grace, performed in a Celtic style by the André Rieu Orchestra.

‘Did you kill Audrey Gleave?’: Charges dropped and a killer on the loose

Darkness on Indian Trail Part 4: Amazing Grace. Jon Wells looks at Audrey Gleave’s final hours and where the investigation stands.

www.thespec.com

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Audrey, is there a clue in Amazing Grace? What were you trying to convey?

 

[FromGermany1]

Audrey, is there a clue in Amazing Grace? What were you trying to convey?

If it wasn't Audrey, who emailed herself, but her killer - what was the purpose of these mails/these times/that special song?
Persons with extended knowledge about IT technique were in AG's close surrounding for years and would have known, how to send a mail to someone with perfectly concealing the real sender. MOO

Amazing Grace has a Christian origin, afaik - who in AG's close surrounding had (very?) Christian ambitions and has thereby betrayed himself? Without noticing by investigators (we have to assume)?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

IF her killer emailed that song, it has to be in a mocking manner. Perhaps someone disliked Audrey's love for Science rather than for things that cannot be proven ( God ). Perhaps the killer had arguments with Audrey about Science vs Religion. That song was emailed for a reason.

Lyrics

Hymn: Amazing Grace

Christian hymns and spiritual songs with wonderful truths and music.

www.hymnal.net

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Who, other than Audrey, would know the password to her computer? Unless she left it on all the time.
BTW, were we ever told the time of death?