CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #10

[Claroon]

My studies are a hypothetical sample and may not apply to this case, but they are worth noting:

Specifically noting LE's reference of a 'sexual component' in the AG case of which we do not know:
In the U.S., sexual homicides by older male offenders (55+) account for only 0.5% of all sexual homicides.

Most offenders in sexualized or overkill homicides are usually (but not always):
• Male
• Under 55
• Often 25–45
This is because:
• physical strength is required
• sexualized motives skew younger
• impulsive violence decreases with age
• offenders over 65 are statistically rare in violent homicide

Many resources:: Age and sexual recidivism) Statistics about sexual assault | INSPQ

(there is much more on this age theory and the sexualization is only one aspect of this case, so I find it helpful to post in snippets so each aspect can be evaluated on its own. I feel this will be a long journey as I don't want to look up all the old posts sleuths shared LOL. So details may have already been discussed.)

So . . . if the offender was around 55 on December 30, 2010, today in 2026, they would be around 71. Could still be alive.
If the offender was 25–45 in 2010, today in 2026 they would be 41–61 now.

 

[Claroon]

Weather data for Dec 28–29, 2010 comes from Environment Canada’s Historical Climate Data (Hamilton Airport station), which is the closest official weather station to Lynden, Ontario. I wanted to know if she was perhaps having her driveway plowed by someone that day:

Cold (–5°C to –10°C range)
• Snow already on the ground
• No major new snowfall
• No storm system
• No heavy accumulation
• Not a snow‑plow day
• Roads would have been drivable

so rule out snow plow driver, unless he was coming to collect pay.

 

[Parsnip]

I tend to think AG was in her garage without her dogs because she was fully expecting someone to enter. That someone would be a person who expected AG to be away from the home at the time; whom AG did not feel threatened by; and whom AG wanted to catch in the act and confront. Moo.

 

[FromGermany1]

I want to remind you of the fact, that AG reserved a portion of her assets for one child/children, who might potentially inherit them. There's an extra-page in the LastWill, where this provision is mentioned. No name, no gender, no age, no place of residence, no specific amount (I think). The executor would have had to pay attention to this advice.

We don't know, if AG ever gave birth. But after all she married very early (16yo) and twice more after her first marriage.

If she didn't get the job at AECL nuclear laboratories in Chalk River after 2 summers of work, because it was supposedly not a healthy environment for women/pregnant women, she herself may have been pregnant at the time. We don't know.

Years and years ago, we found a forum, where adoptive children were able to find their bio parents or vice versa. One user had the name "Aud", if I remember right, and PK named his friend Audrey also "Aud". It seemed to be an odd coincidence. Of course, all users are anonyme, and we can't find out, who "Aud" was or the participant (a girl) of the conversation.

My idea is, that a child, given away after birth, could have had ie. anger issues with the bio parents/bio mother in their later years.

Beside this, my suspect always remains the same.

All MOO.

 

[Claroon]

I tend to think AG was in her garage without her dogs because she was fully expecting someone to enter. That someone would be a person who expected AG to be away from the home at the time; whom AG did not feel threatened by; and whom AG wanted to catch in the act and confront. Moo.

What made you put together that scenario?

 

[Claroon]

I want to remind you of the fact, that AG reserved a portion of her assets for one child/children, who might potentially inherit them. There's an extra-page in the LastWill, where this provision is mentioned. No name, no gender, no age, no place of residence, no specific amount (I think). The executor would have had to pay attention to this advice.

We don't know, if AG ever gave birth. But after all she married very early (16yo) and twice more after her first marriage.

If she didn't get the job at AECL nuclear laboratories in Chalk River after 2 summers of work, because it was supposedly not a healthy environment for women/pregnant women, she herself may have been pregnant at the time. We don't know.

Years and years ago, we found a forum, where adoptive children were able to find their bio parents or vice versa. One user had the name "Aud", if I remember right, and PK named his friend Audrey also "Aud". It seemed to be an odd coincidence. Of course, all users are anonyme, and we can't find out, who "Aud" was or the participant (a girl) of the conversation.

My idea is, that a child, given away after birth, could have had ie. anger issues with the bio parents/bio mother in their later years.

Beside this, my suspect always remains the same.

All MOO.

I did think of that, actually. How would LE find out about an illegitimate child? If she had a child at 16, it would have been 58 by the time she was murdered.

Many believe the killer was known to her. Would this child have already met her by then? Would this be the first time of meeting in person?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I want to remind you of the fact, that AG reserved a portion of her assets for one child/children, who might potentially inherit them. There's an extra-page in the LastWill, where this provision is mentioned. No name, no gender, no age, no place of residence, no specific amount (I think). The executor would have had to pay attention to this advice.

We don't know, if AG ever gave birth. But after all she married very early (16yo) and twice more after her first marriage.

If she didn't get the job at AECL nuclear laboratories in Chalk River after 2 summers of work, because it was supposedly not a healthy environment for women/pregnant women, she herself may have been pregnant at the time. We don't know.

Years and years ago, we found a forum, where adoptive children were able to find their bio parents or vice versa. One user had the name "Aud", if I remember right, and PK named his friend Audrey also "Aud". It seemed to be an odd coincidence. Of course, all users are anonyme, and we can't find out, who "Aud" was or the participant (a girl) of the conversation.

My idea is, that a child, given away after birth, could have had ie. anger issues with the bio parents/bio mother in their later years.

Beside this, my suspect always remains the same.

All MOO.

Oh, thanks for the reminder of the Audrey leaving a portion of her estate to possible children. Also, I have always thought that a child DID exist in AG's life.

My suspect still is the same as well.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I did think of that, actually. How would LE find out about an illegitimate child? If she had a child at 16, it would have been 58 by the time she was murdered.

Many believe the killer was known to her. Would this child have already met her by then? Would this be the first time of meeting in person?

IMHO, the child exists and lived away. possibly didn't even know who the birth mother was. IMHO, the possible child is NOT her killer.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I tend to think AG was in her garage without her dogs because she was fully expecting someone to enter. That someone would be a person who expected AG to be away from the home at the time; whom AG did not feel threatened by; and whom AG wanted to catch in the act and confront. Moo.

Hi @Parsnip . Catch him in the act of what. What are you thinking.
Stealing the car?
Snooping in her house?
Harming the dogs?

And according to our timeline, where would Audrey have been? With the coffee group come hell or high water?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Way back early on, when Detective Hrab said it was the worst crime scene he’d ever seen, I did think the trophy might have been her uterus. That would have been as horrific as he seemed to say.

 

[Claroon]

bbm

AG's obituary. Read all the tributes for any unknown anecdotal info. "I remember holding the elevator for Audrey when we first met, to go down to the computer lab at Mohawk. Audrey had such bad legs...but what a quick mind!" Obituary information for Audrey Gleave

 

[Claroon]

Hi @Parsnip . Catch him in the act of what. What are you thinking.
Stealing the car?
Snooping in her house?
Harming the dogs?

And according to our timeline, where would Audrey have been? With the coffee group come hell or high water?

Interesting point. I brought up a calendar to see what day the coffee date would have been. Was there one scheduled for Dec 29?

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[Claroon]

Way back early on, when Detective Hrab said it was the worst crime scene he’d ever seen, I did think the trophy might have been her uterus. That would have been as horrific as he seemed to say.

OMG, I was thinking a breast. Both of us could be picturing something farther extreme than what they meant

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

bbm

AG's obituary. Read all the tributes for any unknown anecdotal info. "I remember holding the elevator for Audrey when we first met, to go down to the computer lab at Mohawk. Audrey had such bad legs...but what a quick mind!" Obituary information for Audrey Gleave

Yes, that is from JH. I recall that we posted a lot about him. Not my suspect.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

From the Jon Wells articles:

Audrey wrote: “By Sunday the weakness was disappearing but still there. And would you believe that this morning I got a secondary infection; runny nose, runny eyes, sneezing. But at least I don’t feel weak so don’t think I’ve a fever. I’m just annoyed with it. Hope it gets better because I intend to have coffee Wed. come hell or high water. I’ve got cabin fever. Lynne is coming over with soup in a few minutes.”

Does this help us with the date for coffee?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Interesting point. I brought up a calendar to see what day the coffee date would have been. Was there one scheduled for Dec 29?

December 2010
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31

YES.

 

[Claroon]

Yes, that is from JH. I recall that we posted a lot about him. Not my suspect.

Just added about her legs for frame of reference, i.e. maybe walking to the end of driveway to get mail even was a chore...(speculating)

 

[Claroon]

From the Jon Wells articles:

Audrey wrote: “By Sunday the weakness was disappearing but still there. And would you believe that this morning I got a secondary infection; runny nose, runny eyes, sneezing. But at least I don’t feel weak so don’t think I’ve a fever. I’m just annoyed with it. Hope it gets better because I intend to have coffee Wed. come hell or high water. I’ve got cabin fever. Lynne is coming over with soup in a few minutes.”

Does this help us with the date for coffee?

Only helps if you add what day she said that.

Lynne's soup wasn't good and AG let her know? (Joking) Do you know who L is?


UPDATE EDIT:** Found an article outlining she wasn't well Dec. 27

"The morning broke sunny and cold on Monday, Dec. 27, 2010.
Audrey had not been feeling well."
"Later that morning, at 10:46 a.m., she sent a second email to Phil. The subject line said “report.”
Audrey wrote: “By Sunday the weakness was disappearing but still there. And would you believe that this morning I got a secondary infection; runny nose, runny eyes, sneezing. But at least I don’t feel weak so don’t think I’ve a fever. I’m just annoyed with it. Hope it gets better because I intend to have coffee Wed. come hell or high water. I’ve got cabin fever. Lynne is coming over with soup in a few minutes.”

 

[Mayjusticeprevail]

It’s my first time here and I recall this case and how shocking it was. It’s sad to see AD’s killer(s) have not been identified.

Did LE look into her computer and online activity? With AD spending more time online and with computers (no more golf club or bridge games) she may have been targeted that way. She used an alias but admins of forums can trace IPs as can determined hackers.

She had knowledge of building computers, coding and computer viruses. That’s a male dominated field so it’s possible someone didn’t take well to a 73 year old woman having those skills.

Hopefully LE looked into this.

It makes me wonder what items were taken from her home. Did they look into her computer?

Just my thoughts as I continue catching up on all the posts from all the threads. And reading articles too.

 

[Parsnip]

Hi @Parsnip . Catch him in the act of what. What are you thinking.
Stealing the car?
Snooping in her house?
Harming the dogs?

And according to our timeline, where would Audrey have been? With the coffee group come hell or high water?

Hell or high water she told one person! But she told at least one member of the group that she wouldn’t be there. So, yes, at the coffee group. As far as what she would have been setting up her visitor for: my guess is cash. She used cash a lot, and it’s reasonable that she kept a fair amount in the house. And given her proclivities, I’d bet she knew exactly how much she had and would have noticed if anything was missing. Pure speculation, of course!