CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #5

[Sillybilly]

Perhaps it's only rock 'n' roll and PK likes it:

http://www.poemhunter.com/lyrics/bad-company/

Maybe it's nothing more than being a fan of a rock band! For example - I do not think that the Beatles' tune "Helter Skelter" had anything to do with Charlie Manson's path of murder. It's simply a song title.

Perhaps PK turned to his favourite band which was soothing in his time of grief after AG's murder and perhaps that's why the timing of the FB page entries seem odd to us.:twocents:

I don't see anything on the FB page that specifically relates to the song.

Re grief as it relates to AG, the FB page commenced Dec 21 2010 and the website was registered Dec 21 2010, so both prior to AG's murder.

FWIW, i have found 2 domain registrations for BCM:

http://whois.polodomains.com/domain/L_bIvfC9BL0tBXnors2Q4t5uJSjRIDf5_info.html
(created Dec 21, 2010 showing PK as registrant, with an address of 39 Shadetree Cres, Stoney Creek)

and

http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=express&host=badcompanymotors.ca
(created Dec 21, 2010 showing PK as registrant, with an address of 157 Pearl St, Hamilton)

So for some reason, there are 3 addys associated with BCM .. Sunnyridge, Pearl St, and Shadetree Cres

A previous whitepages reverse addy check for 39 Shadetree came up as S. Todd .. it now shows KM.

ETA: google hits showing that current address and tel # for KM was previously listed as ST:

http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy-a....,cf.osb&fp=e51e149f27720169&biw=1280&bih=633

 

[Sillybilly]

Many posts/threads past in discussing any potential for a connection to the Caledon area, it was the above-noted ownership change (?) related to the Stoney Creek addy that led me to question if possibly the ST listed in Bolton is one and the same as PK's MIL who was previously listed at Stoney Creek (the first and last names are the same, but obviously it is a common name).

 

[Hazel]

I must have missed something, is that a love email following list of songs?
On another note, concerning Hazel remembering the street name Poplar..Ii do not have a direct link to post, but if one was to google Poplar street and murder, well alot of cases seem to pop up, but of course it must be a very 'poplar' street name...

Just to clarify how I got those lyrics for that song:
I just googled pk's very first post on that FB site
(cannot copy and paste his post because it's against the TOS rules), it turned out to be a song title.
this was what I got:
click here
So I clicked on the YouTube search result, then tried to check that user's acc., but it's no longer available (???)
Then just searched on YouTube for another version of that same song, and posted a link to a version that shows the lyrics

As for Poplar St., is like you say dotr, it's just a crazy, ridiculous theory of mine :crazy: where I've noticed the name of that street shows up close to areas related to many of the cases we follow...most likely a VERY common street name...I just mentioned it in my post yesterday, because when I clicked on that address link listed on the BCM site, and got that Bing map, it immediately reminded me how I freaked out the first time I noticed Poplar St. so close to Audrey's. That happened some time ago, when I was checking the MAP that pk had posted for us, showing his old place, his new place, his wife's place of work, his parents place in relation to Audrey's.

At that time when I saw Poplar and freaked out, I made a post about it, showing how Poplar showed up in following cases:

Lachlan, Audrey, Penny, also Amber, and Derrick, Matthew is not that close (18 minutes away)...nevermind me, like I said it's just a C R A Z Y theory :crazy:

So my point in mentioning Poplar this time around, was that yesterday I immediately recognized that address as pk's parents because you can see Poplar there, and that association helped me know what addy it was, without having to use reverse search. It's just the way my brian works LOL

 

[Sillybilly]

I can't locate an addy for Sonia V's parents in Bolton, but there is one for her sister Nadia Anderson. The reason I am interested if the two STs are one and the same is ... there is only one Todd in Bolton, and the address for the ST in Bolton is east of Nadia's street. From google maps, it appears you must drive past Nadia's street in order to arrive at the address shown for ST.

Of course, all that is of zero value if the two STs are different people.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from sillybilly:

don't see anything on the FB page that specifically relates to the song.


I didn't mean a song per se; I meant that maybe PK named BCM after his favourite rock band, Bad Company. And on the FB page, some of the phrases posted are phrases from Bad Company songs.

Did that make any sense?

 

[dotr]

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/650950--hamilton-murder-mysteries

Statistically, most people are killed by someone they know, so when investigators can link a killer with a victim it becomes more solvable, said Paul Brienza, director of York University’s criminology and sociology program.

It’s the random cases and those by organized crime and gang members who are unlikely to cooperate with police that are more difficult to solve.

Once a case passes the two-week mark without an arrest, the chances of it being solved decline significantly, Brienza said.

“After that point it’s quite likely the case will remain unsolved for a while or for years,” he said.

But cold cases do get re-opened.

Hamilton detectives maintain contact with victim’s families and will re-test evidence if new forensic technology becomes available. New detectives are also often assigned cold cases as a way to get their feet wet, Stewart said.

The most common way a cold case gets re-opened is when a member of the public comes forward with a tip.

“More often than not it’s a phone call that comes in,” Stewart said.
"

 

[Hazel]

I can't locate an addy for Sonia V's parents in Bolton, but there is one for her sister Nadia Anderson. The reason I am interested if the two STs are one and the same is ... there is only one Todd in Bolton, and the address for the ST in Bolton is east of Nadia's street. From google maps, it appears you must drive past Nadia's street in order to arrive at the address shown for ST.

Of course, all that is of zero value if the two STs are different people.

I believe I read they were going to move? I guess list is not complete, but just gives an idea of how common a last name is:

K = 14 pages

T = 107 pages

V = one page

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I must have missed something, is that a love email following list of songs?
On another note, concerning Hazel remembering the street name Poplar..Ii do not have a direct link to post, but if one was to google Poplar street and murder, well alot of cases seem to pop up, but of course it must be a very 'poplar' street name...

I'm not sure. I think it's just a comment from someone who loves the music of the band Bad Company.:crazy:

 

[Woodland]

Have permission from J Wells to post the following comments via some correspondence we have had in the last couple of months.

JW spoke with LE recently for an update on AG's case. Jon says, that the sense he gets from LE on the case is, when a new person is charged after LE builds a case against them, LE will also be required to prove DS did not kill her. This is because a defense lawyer has the duty and obligation to raise all doubt possible, and the Crown Attorney will want airtight evidence that DS could not have killed AG as it will almost certainly be raised.

I find this a shame and completely wrong as the Crown is not the jury. The Crown has to deflect doubt in every case they take to court so they have to cover that aspect as it is. If the Crown will insist on a case absolving DS along with convicting someone else, seems everyone may be in for a long wait.

I very much agree with previous posts that the killer knew of DS, and possibly steered LE towards him or counted on the original detective to jump the gun.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Have permission from J Wells to post the following comments via some correspondence we have had in the last couple of months.

JW spoke with LE recently for an update on AG's case. Jon says, that the sense he gets from LE on the case is, when a new person is charged after LE builds a case against them, LE will also be required to prove DS did not kill her. This is because a defense lawyer has the duty and obligation to raise all doubt possible, and the Crown Attorney will want airtight evidence that DS could not have killed AG as it will almost certainly be raised.

I find this a shame and completely wrong as the Crown is not the jury. The Crown has to deflect doubt in every case they take to court so they have to cover that aspect as it is. If the Crown will insist on a case absolving DS along with convicting someone else, seems everyone may be in for a long wait.

I very much agree with previous posts that the killer knew of DS, and possibly steered LE towards him or counted on the original detective to jump the gun.

Well, thanks to Woodland for this news. So, DLS was the 'perfect person in the perfect place' when the REAL killer murdered Audrey Gleave.

I'm afraid we're dealing with a very, very intelligent murderer here. How cunning this murderer is remains to be seen. I have to have hope that LE knows exactly who the killer is and that LE is merely biding their time until this monster messes up!

Oh dear..............

 

[dotr]

This beautiful,smart,young lady did not deserve what she received...
http://www.thespec.com/news/crime/article/651492--cops-arrest-alleged-hit-and-run-purse-snatcher
More than three months after a devastating hit-and-run and crime-scene robbery, Hamilton police have charged a 29-year-old Hamilton man with multiple fraud charges for allegedly stealing the purse from a woman who lay dead on the road.

"Early September 18, Jiao Shi Qi – a 20-year-old Columbia International College student – was walking home when she was hit and killed on Main and Catharine streets.

As she lay on the road, broken glass and other debris from the wreckage scattered around her, someone stole her purse, said Detective Sergeant Steve Hrab"

 

[dotr]

Well, thanks to Woodland for this news. So, DLS was the 'perfect person in the perfect place' when the REAL killer murdered Audrey Gleave.

I'm afraid we're dealing with a very, very intelligent murderer here. How cunning this murderer is remains to be seen. I have to have hope that LE knows exactly who the killer is and that LE is merely biding their time until this monster messes up!

Oh dear..............

Does that mean the murder was planned as opposed to opportunistic or reactive?

 

[Hazel]

Have permission from J Wells to post the following comments via some correspondence we have had in the last couple of months.

JW spoke with LE recently for an update on AG's case. Jon says, that the sense he gets from LE on the case is, when a new person is charged after LE builds a case against them, LE will also be required to prove DS did not kill her. This is because a defense lawyer has the duty and obligation to raise all doubt possible, and the Crown Attorney will want airtight evidence that DS could not have killed AG as it will almost certainly be raised.

I find this a shame and completely wrong as the Crown is not the jury. The Crown has to deflect doubt in every case they take to court so they have to cover that aspect as it is. If the Crown will insist on a case absolving DS along with convicting someone else, seems everyone may be in for a long wait.

I very much agree with previous posts that the killer knew of DS, and possibly steered LE towards him or counted on the original detective to jump the gun.

Thank you Woodland (you were missed), and thank you to JW for the update.


Re what I bolded in your post Woodland, my guess is the Crown wants to be prepared and needs to be confident they can prove DSL didn't do it, in anticipation that the defense lawyer will try to raise enough doubts in the jurors' minds, when trying to defend his client.
The Crown has to prove the defendant's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and that there is no alternative possible ... JMHO.

 

[Hazel]

Does that mean the murder was planned as opposed to opportunistic or reactive?

That's what I've been trying to figure out dotr....been asking that same question.
Not sure if LE still needing a 'motive' means they have discarded the possibility of it being "reactive violence", and a disagreement with lots of rage, or if perp went to her house with the sole purpose of killing her.

From how the detective described the scene, seems like there was too much rage for a disagreement?

I also question if LE now believes the scene was staged (or not), in an attempt to make it look as if it was a random attack by an unstable person, knowing all too well that DSL would be suspected?

Of course, even if it was 'staged' the staging could have been done as an after thought, not necessarily pre-meditated, but in a panic.

So many questions!

 

[dotr]

It is almost as if someone found out something that maybe AG said or did and marched right over and confronted her and then maybe she said something like ..........whatever and that was the last straw...
Was AG ever known to hit first?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Does that mean the murder was planned as opposed to opportunistic or reactive?

That's the 10 million dollar question. I tend to be thinking that yes, the murder was planned by someone AG knew well. Here's my theory:

1. AG received a communication from a 'friend' asking her to meet them in the garage at such-and-such day/time.

2. Either via e-mail or on the phone, AG said she'd meet them there at that time. (Since this was a known person, why on earth would AG be fearful? Afterall, she'd visited/talked with/spent time with this person MANY, MANY times previously.)

3. The person showed up......and it all went down according to plan.

That's my own, and very humble, opinion of the killing. :twocents:

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ETA: I'm also strongly wondering if SL's attack was done by the same killer as AG's case. There are ways we've discussed that possibly link the two women:
- marriage photos
- the person in the composite seems to be young (I mean the composite of SL's attacker)
- the areas are rural, surrounded by wooded lots
- the women were both very alone when the perp attacked/killed
- both are located in a relatively close proximity in Southern Ontario
- both were in December, 2010 - weeks apart

IF I'm right about SL and AG having the same attacker/killer, I do believe that BOTH women were not RANDOM. I think they both knew the attacker/killer. Perhaps SL only "knew" the attacker by a photography appointment. But nonetheless, SL (I think) allowed the attacker into her barn/studio. There was no forced entry at SL's place if memory serves correctly.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

It is almost as if someone found out something that maybe AG said or did and marched right over and confronted her and then maybe she said something like ..........whatever and that was the last straw...
Was AG ever known to hit first?

I've also pondered that scenario, but in a different way. How do we know that this lovely lady didn't have a rather chequered past? Here's how I see that playing out:

1. Perhaps AG did things as a young woman which one would rather forget.

2. Somehow, some way..... someone learned of this past that was better forgotten.

3. The "someone" is a good friend and was welcome in AG's garage and/or home at anytime.

4. Just around the time of the killing - perhaps just before Xmas - this "someone" told AG that they'd learned of her past.

5. Then, this supposedly 'good and dear friend' set up a meeting to discuss how to put this past to rest for good.

6. Killing is a good way to put the past into silence forever.

Now, I don't like this theory as well as the one I posted just above. I prefer the killer as being someone who planned and set up the murder of this lovely woman just because the killer is a psychopath (who also tried to kill SL) and this person who was known to AG carried out the killing.

:twocents:

 

[Woodland]

Imo, AG's murder adds up to the age old motive of money. I think she was set up from Dec 23rd to the moment of her murder.

One of her closest friends placed themselves at her residence just prior to her murder and another found her. I question how this adds up statistically. The aftermath speaks for itself as well - none of AG's money was used as a reward for info and there is a second opinion from a lawyer that her probated Will is a little 'off'.

AG may have done up a Will in 2007 - it was not necessarily the same one found after she died. The last page could have been added to a new one - my lawyer strongly suggested looking for staple marks etc on that page. If HPS is smart - that shouldn't be possible now.

As previously noted, PK did have more than one dig at his employer and friend after her death - remarks inconceivable to many about a friend who met a horrible death. Trust LE has followed the money - money that would have been on the move before comments were made here. It's not possible to change historical transactions. LV wasn't all that kind to her friend in death either imo. Both of them give me a reason to look closer.

Hrab's mistake will take time to unravel and make right - but pretty sure it can be done.

 

[Hazel]

OT in this thread, but i don't think any of you will mind ..

Please circulate the link to this petition about the sex offender registry in Canada:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keeping-pedophiles-away-from-our-children/

Mods, if there is a more appropriate thread, please move this or let me know where to put it.

THANKS !!

Adding this other link: (am thinking perhaps we could add these 2 links to our signatures?)

Make Ontarios Sex Offender Registry Public
Published April 27, 2006
By signing below I believe that Ontarios Sex Offender Registry should be made public knowledge so I can know if a convicted sex offender is living in my neighbourhood whether he is high risk to offend again or not.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/ontariosexoffender

 

[roseofsharon]

It is almost as if someone found out something that maybe AG said or did and marched right over and confronted her and then maybe she said something like ..........whatever and that was the last straw...
Was AG ever known to hit first?

Dotr ... I can almost picture it ...

1) She was visiting with someone she knew well.

2) She was seeing them out through the garage door, not letting them in and they turned on her and attacked in a murdering frenzy.

To date, I have always thought AG was letting someone in, but I think now the opposite.

Unfortunately, AG may have discussed DLS and possibly opened up an opportunity for the perp. I do think the perp was quite confident, DLS would be targeted for the killing.

Now --- I am confused regarding perp and proving without a doubt that DLS was not the murderer, as I thought LE had DNA evidence.

Maybe I missed something, please help me out here fellow WS's -- thanks!!

imo

Further thought: The perp overspent on xmas presents, needed a loan and had no intentions of ever having to pay back or suddenly got into a financial bind between xmas and new years and arranged a visit with AG to see if she could help out and was possibly turned down. LE needs to examine all person's bank accounts who were close to AG.