CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #5

[dotr]

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cri...-army-executive-director-surrenders-to-police
"On Friday, police uncovered a massive cache of goods — including nearly 150 skids of toddler playpens, porcelain dolls, chocolate bars and other items — at a warehouse in Brampton, where Northern Sales Group had cold storage space.

On Saturday, a second cache of goods police believe belong to the Salvation Army was uncovered at Northern Sales Group’s warehouse on Garyray Dr. in North York — a second of four search warrants executed in the last 72 hours.

The two other search warrants — at residences in Toronto and Durham Region — yielded documents that Gotell said police believe will assist in the ongoing investigation"

 

[dotr]

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/newsreleases/pdfs/25103.pdf
The Toronto Police Service would like to make the public aware of a sexual assault that
occurred on Friday, November 23, 2012.
It is reported that:
− a 72−year−old woman met a man in the area of Front Street East/ Parliament Street
sometime between 4:30 p.m. and 6:30 p.m.
− the woman invited the man back to her apartment where, once inside, the man sexually
assaulted her
The man is described as white, 40 − 50, clean shaven with short dark hair"

 

[Chorley8]

Response to some of Chorley's points:

- both SV and AG could have had their computers hacked or they could have visited the same websites and on those sites they met their killer (perhaps he stalks 'female sites' like baking, knitting, etc.)

[modsnip]

- I don't know how to respond to the point about ambiguous sexuality - but it would seem logical that all of us have the same feelings towards the gender we are attracted to - both good and negative feelings.

:twocents:

Thoughts on this?

Can we separate out the info on the garage door. That does seem important.

I know:

1. Only P.K. claims only he had the code. It was not for typical use as I understand it. Am I right in saying that it is actually strange that he used it on the day he discovered Audrey. Yes her care was there but she could easily have been out with someone else correct? Why not just leave the cake with a note? If she was not answering her front door why would she answer the door from the garage? I mean a friend could have picked her up to go to doctor or hospital there could have been an emergency with the dogs she might have plain forgot. Why help himself at that moment to the door and the code?

2. As for the murder scenarios is the garage door important? This seems an array of possibilites are there such as that Audrey let the per in, knew him or her, went to go to the garage is attacked there then PK discovers her. What am I missing about the garage door something for sure.

3. But it is totally possible that others knew the code.

4. Audrey opens the garage door to leave for a drive and is attacked.

 

[Sillybilly]

Can we separate out the info on the garage door. That does seem important.

I know:

1. Only P.K. claims only he had the code. It was not for typical use as I understand it. Am I right in saying that it is actually strange that he used it on the day he discovered Audrey. Yes her care was there but she could easily have been out with someone else correct? Why not just leave the cake with a note? If she was not answering her front door why would she answer the door from the garage? I mean a friend could have picked her up to go to doctor or hospital there could have been an emergency with the dogs she might have plain forgot. Why help himself at that moment to the door and the code?

2. As for the murder scenarios is the garage door important? This seems an array of possibilites are there such as that Audrey let the per in, knew him or her, went to go to the garage is attacked there then PK discovers her. What am I missing about the garage door something for sure.

3. But it is totally possible that others knew the code.

4. Audrey opens the garage door to leave for a drive and is attacked.

Yes Chorley, PK said AG gave him the code in the event she wasn't home and he needed access to tools in the garage. Without going back through all his posts ... am I mis-remembering this or dreaming it up that he also said to the effect that their usual routine was he would use the code to let himself into the garage and she would greet him in the garage??

But yes, if the code was given to him strictly to access tools in her absence, why did he feel it was okay to let himself in on that particular day? He said he phoned AG to tell her he was running late, and although there was no answer, he still drove approx 1/2 hour to deliver the cake. Why wouldn't he just return to their apartment and get in touch with AG later in the day to determine when it was convenient to bring the cake? However, without any contact with her, he felt it was okay to let himself in through the garage. Presumably he was confident the dogs were not on the other side of the garage door. For all he knew, AG could have been feeling unwell and ignoring the phone, had other company, been simply sleeping late, or possibly having a long bath.

Re others possibly knowing the code, i do find it odd that AG would not have given the code to her friend of 30+ years.

 

[Chorley8]

Thanks a couple of things there I didn't know like the call en route assuming to happened.

Yes the friend of 30 years not knowing the code very odd.

I think if we look at who says they were invited to her home we will get a little glimmer of something via that social network. That locale even.

Also whatever the will eventually said and we know what it said there is always the possibility that someone thought they were in the will. Then either they weren't or they were outsmarted.

 

[Chorley8]

Re the financial angle: we can't just go by the final result the actual will assuming for now it is genuine which I doubt. It is not impossible that someone was going to introduce a new will. Maybe they looked for one in the house maybe they held Audrey trying to find it. Maybe they held back because they were questioned early and got nervous.

Someone could have held back on their plan after the murder for example if they were planning to stage an accident for Audrey at her house but Audrey confronted them there are endless possibilities here.

 

[Sillybilly]

Just catching up this morning, but something in one of PK's posts stood out to me re our discussion of the code:

from:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

Audrey did tell me when she gave me the code that I was the only person in the world to have it other than herself and she insisted that I not write it down anywhere and only commit it to memory. She gave it to me - she said - in case I ever needed to come while she was out and get tools out of the garage to work. I always found that a bit odd since I never, ever visited when she wasn't home but I never thought enough of it to ask her about it.

<bbm>

I guess we're just saying the same thing in a dozen different ways, but ... When AG wasn't answering her phone that morning, wouldn't it be a normal assumption that she might not be at home? Therefore, if PK "never, ever visited when she wasn't home", why did he choose to do so on that particular morning?

 

[dotr]

I wonder if any of AG's former handy- men feels lucky that they were not working for Audrey at the time of murder ?

 

[colette]

I would say "yes" and probably their wives would feel lucky too.

 

[Hatfield]

Just catching up this morning, but something in one of PK's posts stood out to me re our discussion of the code:

from:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

<bbm>

I guess we're just saying the same thing in a dozen different ways, but ... When AG wasn't answering her phone that morning, wouldn't it be a normal assumption that she might not be at home? Therefore, if PK "never, ever visited when she wasn't home", why did he choose to do so on that particular morning?

WOW....great point.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I wonder if any of AG's former handy- men feels lucky that they were not working for Audrey at the time of murder ?

Do we even know if Audrey had any handimen prior to PK? Perhaps he was her first and only one on a permanent basis?

We know that someone installed her convection oven......who was that?

:twocents:

 

[dotr]

Think I might check out this show tonight...
http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/other-shows/videos/sneak-peek-video.htm

 

[Sillybilly]

from "Audrey's story continues" - Part II by Jon Wells:
http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/594717--audrey-s-story-continues

&#8220;She was a very smart person,&#8221; said Rita Poder, who sat at the card table with Audrey many times. &#8220;She built her own TV and was a computer whiz. I understand she was up all night on the computer, probably played bridge on it, too. And then she slept most of the day. In many ways, she was a bit strange. But a lovely person, a very private person.&#8221;

<bbm>

Sounds like quite the nighthawk. Would AG be up to a meet and greet early in the day?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

PK's DNA will be on the body because the 911 people asked him to go back and be certain she was really dead. So, he might have touched a pulse area and in doing so, he may have touched/moved her coat collar, her shirt, her wrist, anything.

While checking the body, he may have left footprints near the body. He may have shed his own hair and fibers from his own clothing. He may have knelt down right beside her body. He may have brushed against the car, the bench, the tools, etc. leaving his DNA on all these items.

QUESTIONS:

1. What did he do with the cake while doing all of this checking for the 911 people?

2. Why on earth was he so blatant about telling us that 'there were no medicine bottles in her bedroom'? (I happen to keep my medicines in the kitchen!)

3. Did I miss something (it's highly likely :blushing but where does the "bloomers and bras" phrase come from?

The Missing Motive:
(have LE looked into this)

1. Sex of some sort between the killer and AG. (Past or present day to her death).

2. Money - did AG owe money to her killer for something.

3. Greed - did the killer desperately want something which AG was unwilling to give.

4. Love/Hatred - now there's a fine line between these two emotions.

:twocents:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

And one last thing for today - about Audrey being a 'nighthawk'. I live next door to an elderly woman (age 79) who is also a nighthawk. She's up all night long watching old movies, taped TV shows, etc. In the morning, she picks up her Globe And Mail and her Toronto Star as a clue to me that she's well and has gone back to bed.

We have a deal about her picking up the newspapers. IF the papers are not picked up by 9am, I'm to phone her. If there's no answer, I'm to use my key to her house and go in to see if she's well.

I wonder if Audrey had any such arrangement with a neighbour?

:twocents:

 

[Chorley8]

SB about "B & B" please forget it promise not to do that again I was just using your words for another purpose so sorry!!!

 

[Chorley8]

"The Missing Motive: (from previous post)
(have LE looked into this)

1. Sex of some sort between the killer and AG. (Past or present day to her death).

2. Money - did AG owe money to her killer for something.

3. Greed - did the killer desperately want something which AG was unwilling to give.

4. Love/Hatred - now there's a fine line between these two emotions."

I hope they asked all of these questions both during the polygraph and more generally.

I am very interested in those late night bridge games and I am interested in the old bridge games with the club and I have to apologize again SB a while ago you asked me to be less enigmatic when discussing games and yes I meant bridge games. Now the present day constituency of that bridge club includes some present high powered minds scientifically speaking don't know who Audrey played against. On-line did she play against a computer, herself or actual others? I know nothing about bridge.

I have noted before that these online games with the names of teams and players was TAKEN DOWN from the web a few days after I cited it here.

How come? Chance or a normal quest for privacy or another reason?

[modsnip]

 

[dotr]

Something like this?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/11/28/quebec-snc-lavalin-ceo-arrested-fraud.html

Former SNC-Lavalin CEO arrested on fraud charges

New allegations stem from Montreal contruction project

CBC News

Posted: Nov 28, 2012 12:04 PM ET






Snip

Widening investigation

Swiss investigators are trying to determine who approved a string of multimillion-dollar payments by SNC-Lavalin International now at the centre of the case. Sources have told CBC/Radio-Canada that Swiss investigators have questioned six high-level SNC-Lavalin executives, and hope to question three more, as they hold Ben Aissa in jail.

Geneva-based lawyer Roland Kaufmann is facing similar charges of money laundering and corruption in connection with the case.

Ben Aissa oversaw global construction projects and forged close ties to the Gadhafi regime in Libya, winning the company billions in contracts to build an airport, a prison, and a major water distribution project

 

[Sillybilly]

2. Why on earth was he so blatant about telling us that 'there were no medicine bottles in her bedroom'? (I happen to keep my medicines in the kitchen!)

<rsbm>

IIRC, he didn't limit that reference to the bedroom, but said he didn't see any signs of them in the "kitchen, bathroom or bedroom". Still a most unusual thing for a young man to include reference to having been in a woman's bedroom. Most folks would have simply said something like "I don't recall seeing any meds around the house".

Surely, any person AG's age would have either some prescription meds, vitamins, or herbal remedies around. She believed in vitamins for her furbabes, so not like pills were anathema to her.

I wonder if LE checked with AG's doctor to find out if she took oxys for arthritis pain.

 

[Chorley8]

Just what we need SB another theory (!) but yes that would be interesting to know - wouldn't it be strange if after all our speculation it turned out to be something that simple OxyC and a skirmish.