CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #6

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Sorry for another post right away, but if I don't post while I'm thinking about it, it will escape my mind!

My husband and I are executors for a friend. We have:
- not seen the Will
- not signed the Will
- we only have the phone numbers for the person's lawyer and the lawyer has our contact info
- we do have a key to the person's house
- we do not have a clue what's in the Will

Hopefully, that might shed some light on the topic of Wills in general.

:twocents:

 

[Canadian4]

Carrying papers around in your purse reminds me of something a battered wife living in fear might do in case she had to flee on a moments notice. Obviously A.G. wasnt battered but she did live in fear of some sort. She felt she would be raped and killed, she was a little paranoid about her emails and recently someone had vandalised her mailbox.
IMO she had an idea that someone had been coming into her house when she wasnt there so she took her papers with her when she went out.

 

[roseofsharon]

Maybe I have watched too many crime shows, but could it be that AG was not Otte Wilma Doveika? Why did AG feel that it was necessary to change her name from Otte to Audrey?

AG's first marriage was at age 16. I can only think of one reason why parents would allow their daughter to marry at age 16, disrupt their schooling, yet to whom is unknown.

IMO, AG's past needs unravelling, in order to possibly solve her murder.

Two years and still very haunting and mysterious! :waitasec:

imo

 

[Woodland]

Interesting thought roseofsharon - it reminds of the clause in AG's Will outlining the possibility of a child coming forward as an heir, yet no time was allowed for this possibility.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Following up on a few posts above - I do think that Audrey had a child when she was about 16-17 years of age. Where is that child now/at the time of Audrey's murder? Was someone afraid the child would gain Audrey's house, car and bank account(s)?

What I've posted here almost makes sense (if that's possible) that things went so quickly - from murder to cremation to selling of the house.

QUESTIONS:
1. Was there a mention of a possible heir to Audrey's assets in the Will?

2. If so, perhaps that's why LV wasn't told about the Will until after Audrey was killed.

3. Finally, was there any mention in the Will along the lines of - 'if something bad happens to me........'?

I'd be most grateful if someone could answer my questions about the Will and an heir.

Another huge question - WHO might have known about an heir? The father of the child? Any further husbands? The handyman? How about this person who lived close to LV whom Audrey knew but LV was not aware of?

My humble conclusions:

- the heir/child did not kill Audrey (gut feeling)

- she was not killed by a crazed stranger who was passing through Ancaster that night (makes no sense)

- not a former student

- I'm sticking with "young and close"

:twocents:

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ETA:

Someone said that Audrey's past need unravelling. Very true. In LE, they say "know your victim and you'll find your killer". lease:

 

[Woodland]

Audrey's Will has a section titled 'Trusts for Young Beneficiaries'. The Trustee is directed to hold a gift of residue to any 'child of mine' under the age of 18.

The second paragraph under this heading directs the Trustee to hold a gift of residue for any beneficiary other than a child of mine ... payable when that beneficiary reaches the age of majority.

No child is named, no amount is stated. No other minor beneficiary is named. All left to the discretion of the Trustee.

Nothing for care of the dogs.

Nothing regarding 'if something bad happens'.

 

[Woodland]

Here's an interesting clause, likely standard to most Wills.

5.4 Power to Settle Claims - Without the consent of any person under my Will (which is no one) to compromise, settle, waive and forgive any claim or claims at any time due to or due by my estate ...

Sole discretion of Trustee to forgive any loans due AG if loans existed.

There's an 'app' for that.

 

[LeftCoaster]

Just thinking aloud here. A child of Audrey's, if born to her when she was 16 or 17, would be about 60 years old now. Quite possibly, she could have young adult grandchildren. I wonder if the name change coincided with her first marriage.

The "documents at the ready" and potential for Audrey suspecting that people might be checking out her house during her absences (especially if she took her dogs) seem frighteningly plausible - could go a long way to connect some dots here, IMO, and I hope LE are onto this angle. The more time passes, the more I dread this case becoming cold. This wonderful soul deserves better than that.

 

[Woodland]

Hope this attachment works.

 

[dotr]

Wonder if the mailbox vandalism has continued in the neighbourhood? Was Audrey's the only box that was targeted?
Was the electric fence that once contained A's dogs on the property ever removed, if so, do people, with or without dogs tresspass there now?

http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/876012--car-vandal-caught-by-family-s-surveillance-camera
"Mary Street neighbours are out thousands of dollars over a brazen spree of seemingly random late-night vandalism.

Someone smashed windows on four cars — three parked in driveways and one on the road — as the residents were sleeping just before 4 a.m. Thursday.

Kim Bui has been through this three times now.

Twice in December, her family woke up to find their tires slashed. After the first incident, they put a motion light at the front of their home, just north of Wilson Street. When it happened again, they installed surveillance cameras.

On Thursday, just over a month later, they woke up to find the windows on their two cars smashed. This time, they caught it on tape.

“He did it like a pro, you know,” Bui said. The clip shows a young man with dark hair, dressed in light clothing, running past the driveway swinging what looks like a stuffed black sock.

He does it quickly — one car after the other; one quick swing at each window, and he's gone. The time shows 3:55 a.m"

 

[Sillybilly]

Was the electric fence that once contained A's dogs on the property ever removed, if so, do people, with or without dogs tresspass there now?

<rsbm>

IIRC, it was in invisible fence, not an electric fence. Invisible fencing is not a deterrent to other dogs or people coming onto the property, dotr. AG's dogs would have worn transmitter collars that activated and gave them a shock if they attempted to go off the property. It would be of zero consequence to other dogs and/or people coming and going from the property.

 

[Sillybilly]

Interesting thought roseofsharon - it reminds of the clause in AG's Will outlining the possibility of a child coming forward as an heir, yet no time was allowed for this possibility.

Was there even a Notice to Creditors in the local papers? If not, that smacks of the executor knowing intimate details of the deceased person's financial affairs, and that there were no creditors.

 

[Hazel]

LV saying she didn't know she was AG's executor and sole beneficiary at the time of AG's death struck me as odd - which is why I wanted a copy of the Will so badly.

Then, LV claimed she didn't know the witnesses to AG's signature in the Will, yet one of the witnesses lived nearby LV - an elderly woman by my research and what appeared to be her personal care giver.

Doesn't work for me.

...and witness and LV have common acquaintance, according to picture found on the internet (google image search)

 

[Hazel]

A married couple bought the house from LV - both dentists. Unfortunately this is in a thread that isn't here.

I might be mistaken, but I believe there was no mention of this on any thread, but behind the curtains

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from dotr:

<<< Wonder if the mailbox vandalism has continued in the neighbourhood? Was Audrey's the only box that was targeted? >>>


We were told by the handyman that yes, Audrey's was the only mailbox which was smashed. (If memory serves.......).

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Was there even a Notice to Creditors in the local papers? If not, that smacks of the executor knowing intimate details of the deceased person's financial affairs, and that there were no creditors.

Maybe LV helped Audrey do her yearly taxes. Wouldn't that tell what Audrey did and did not have regarding finances?

 

[roseofsharon]

It is quite unbelievable that LV did not know she was the Executor of AG's Will. It seems very unusual to me that when a person writes their Will, the Executor would have no knowledge of it.

Speaking from my own experience, there is a lot of responsibility/tasks that have to be completed in a timely manner, when one is the Executor of a Will, so I would think the person writing the Will would ask a person if they would be willing to take this duty on (just imo). There are people that just don't want that kind of responsibility.

I believe, the Executor of a Will, (if not the sole beneficiary) is usually paid a certain percentage of the Estate for their services in carrying out these duties. WL, please correct me if this is inaccurate.

It is also unusual that AG's Will did not outline her wishes regarding funeral arrangements, i.e. cremation. It's as though AG had no say at all in the matter of her own death really (only the disposition of her money). Very sad!

So??? ... this would mean that LV's brother didn't know that his sister was the sole beneficiary upon AG's death and that should anything happen to LV, the almost half a million dollars (that we know of) would become his!

All just IMO.

 

[Sillybilly]

Maybe LV helped Audrey do her yearly taxes. Wouldn't that tell what Audrey did and did not have regarding finances?

Income tax prep wouldn't include information regarding creditors, but would certainly include all info related to income and any interest-bearing investments. RevCan is only interested in how much you make, not how much you owe anyone (other than them).

IF a Notice to Creditors wasn't published because there weren't any, it doesn't really matter how someone acquired that knowledge. Just the fact that they had the knowledge is a big indictor that they knew very specific information about the financial affairs of the deceased. If Audrey shared intimate details about her financial affairs with a friend of 30+ years, would she not have also shared the fact that her friend was both executor and beneficiary of the estate?

FWIW, the first thing I did before I even stared typing my Will was to phone my executor to ask if they would be prepared to act in that capacity.

ETA: Amen @roseofsharon ... hadn't even seen your post before I made my own comments.

 

[Sillybilly]

Quoted from dotr:

<<< Wonder if the mailbox vandalism has continued in the neighbourhood? Was Audrey's the only box that was targeted? >>>


We were told by the handyman that yes, Audrey's was the only mailbox which was smashed. (If memory serves.......).

In response to Valleyboy's query, PK responded:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

She definitely did not call the police and I'm virtually certain that hers was the only one damaged.

Those driveways on Indian Trail are quite a distance apart, and without going around asking the neighbours, I always kinda wondered how he was so certain about that :waitasec:

 

[Woodland]

Very good roseofsharon - had not even put any thought into the brother. Seems the Vanstone family was getting in excess of $500K whether they liked it or not.

An executor can most certainly charge for their services (often substantial time and expense) and is a standard clause in a Will - but I'm not a lawyer btw.

I agree 100% it's as though AG had no say in the matter of her death, asset disposal/dispersal etc. It's written as all about the Trustee only.