CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #6

[Sillybilly]

Not sure it is related or can be tied in, but something to tuck under the hat:

In googling "Audrey Blake" "McMaster University", the following 1973 bulletin of Brookhaven National Laboratory popped up:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...8jV1Mw&sig=AHIEtbRRj43fjAQsyvFLGUTXDiywjOOYqQ

Pg 1 first paragraph re SNEAP (Symposium of Northeastern Accelerator Personnel) conference mentions attendees, including groups from Chalk River and McMaster.

Pg 3 under Bowling News is the name Audrey Blake

??

 

[LeftCoaster]

And I asked about having a basement at AG's house because I know another aging prostitute who turned her basement into an S&M place.

OK, I'm finished with spilling the beans about the women with whom I've crossed paths at CAMH and other facilties!!

Just really tossing out ideas..........

:twocents:

:what:

:thewhip:
:doorhide:

 

[Canadian4]

To add to the timeline of names, AG started out as Otte Doveika, changed it to Audrey Doveika before she became Audrey Bohnart at 16. This means by age 33 she changed the name she went by 5 times.

 

[Sillybilly]

A. Doveika reference material under "Reactor and Weapons Shielding", Pg 9, 1960 newsletter, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, RSIC (Radiation Shielding Information Center)

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...C49NEc&sig=AHIEtbTpQ5wzUiRbxR51j8kDzL_C7sYk7Q

 

[Sillybilly]

And I asked about having a basement at AG's house because I know another aging prostitute who turned her basement into an S&M place.

OK, I'm finished with spilling the beans about the women with whom I've crossed paths at CAMH and other facilties!!

Just really tossing out ideas..........

:twocents:

Hmmm ... you DO realize that we don't get paid for what we do HERE, don't you? :Banane23:

:floorlaugh:

 

[greenthumb]

Not sure it is related or can be tied in, but something to tuck under the hat:

In googling "Audrey Blake" "McMaster University", the following 1973 bulletin of Brookhaven National Laboratory popped up:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...8jV1Mw&sig=AHIEtbRRj43fjAQsyvFLGUTXDiywjOOYqQ

Pg 1 first paragraph re SNEAP (Symposium of Northeastern Accelerator Personnel) conference mentions attendees, including groups from Chalk River and McMaster.

Pg 3 under Bowling News is the name Audrey Blake

??

Can this be 'our' Audrey? In 1973, we have her already married to Allan Gleave, and acquiring the house on Indian Trail as sole owner on Nov 20, 1973... and then her marriage to Mr. Gleave falling apart in 1974.

There is another reference to Audrey Blake in another Brookhaven Bulletin, dated Ap. 5, 1974 here - https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:g_NDZ76xvSIJ:www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/bulletin/1947-1995/1973/21091973.pdf+%22audrey+blake%22+%22mcmaster+university%22&hl=en&gl=ca&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShpYbgfOnudETjzImwmLR1tIGefNf6N0gt15m-qq3ZzoLrZjRF8-I29oNyN_I8VDkxcKIDSdSXoSpAct4hSuoczKo0uv5J4oy7TIq9yhrndlt9eW_JGUUh5MskYAGTVyJ8jV1Mw&sig=AHIEtbRRj43fjAQsyvFLGUTXDiywjOOYqQ

It gives an extension number - page 3 under Scotch Doubles Bowling.

Seems so coincidental, but AG was teaching then, wasn't she?

 

[greenthumb]

A. Doveika reference material under "Reactor and Weapons Shielding", Pg 9, 1960 newsletter, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, RSIC (Radiation Shielding Information Center)

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...C49NEc&sig=AHIEtbTpQ5wzUiRbxR51j8kDzL_C7sYk7Q

This is confirmation of the article 'Compendium of Thermal Neutron Capture Ray Measurements that is on your timeline, SB - year 1967.

 

[Sillybilly]

This is confirmation of the article 'Compendium of Thermal Neutron Capture Ray Measurements that is on your timeline, SB - year 1967.

Yes it is in the timeline, but my mind goes back to my post Jan 2011 in Lachlan's thread:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased Canada - Lachlan Cranswick, 41, Deep River near Ottawa ON, 18 Jan 2010 - #6


(Unfortunately I did not provide/keep the link to the "baryon" ftp site that I referenced back then and haven't had time to re-find it, if it still exists)

We knew about Audrey's paper from her Chalk River days, but what is significant to me is that her paper on thermal neutron capture is recognized enough to be referenced in relation to Radiation and Weapons Shielding at Oak Ridge Lab.

Another of AG's papers was titled "Characterization of ceramics and semiconductors using nuclear techniques". In 1994, Lachlan was trying to establish the sci.materials.ceramics newsgroup.

AG was involved in thermal neutron capture. Lachlan was involved in gadolinium research. If you google cranswick and "thermal neutron capture" or cranswick and "gadolinium neutron capture" or cranswick and ceramics and semiconductors, you will see that LC and AG seem to be on the same page wrt their fields of research and expertise (i don't mean literally on the same pages with google). Lachlan was associated with investigations wrt the failed Apollo mission and dust from 911 (i.e. think ignition sources > ceramics and semiconductors), and AG's papers are relating to thermal neutron capture, radiation and weapons shielding, ceramics and semiconductors.

PK said that AG was fascinated with the book "Fair Game" (especially the redacted portions) .. which is an <alleged> accounting of the fiasco leading up to Plame's outing because her husband maintained that Iraq was not attempting to purchase yellowcake to further their WMD program (think government conspiracy and Iraq > government conspiracy and 911)

When we consider Lachlan's final act was a report for an "overseas client" (note of interest: both Russia and Venezuela accused the US of tectonic warfare causing the Haiti quake; other countries/other quakes), and Audrey's knowledge wrt ceramics and semiconductors (tectonics and ignition sources), IMO it is very possible that AG and LC consulted with each other in their fields of common interest and intrigue.

:waitasec:

 

[greenthumb]

Yes it is in the timeline, but my mind goes back to my post Jan 2011 in Lachlan's thread:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased Canada - Lachlan Cranswick, 41, Deep River near Ottawa ON, 18 Jan 2010 - #6


(Unfortunately I did not provide/keep the link to the "baryon" ftp site that I referenced back then and haven't had time to re-find it, if it still exists)

We knew about Audrey's paper from her Chalk River days, but what is significant to me is that her paper on thermal neutron capture is recognized enough to be referenced in relation to Radiation and Weapons Shielding at Oak Ridge Lab.

Another of AG's papers was titled "Characterization of ceramics and semiconductors using nuclear techniques". In 1994, Lachlan was trying to establish the sci.materials.ceramics newsgroup.

AG was involved in thermal neutron capture. Lachlan was involved in gadolinium research. If you google cranswick and "thermal neutron capture" or cranswick and "gadolinium neutron capture" or cranswick and ceramics and semiconductors, you will see that LC and AG seem to be on the same page wrt their fields of research and expertise (i don't mean literally on the same pages with google). Lachlan was associated with investigations wrt the failed Apollo mission and dust from 911 (i.e. think ignition sources > ceramics and semiconductors), and AG's papers are relating to thermal neutron capture, radiation and weapons shielding, ceramics and semiconductors.

PK said that AG was fascinated with the book "Fair Game" (especially the redacted portions) .. which is an <alleged> accounting of the fiasco leading up to Plame's outing because her husband maintained that Iraq was not attempting to purchase yellowcake to further their WMD program (think government conspiracy and Iraq > government conspiracy and 911)

When we consider Lachlan's final act was a report for an "overseas client" (note of interest: both Russia and Venezuela accused the US of tectonic warfare causing the Haiti quake; other countries/other quakes), and Audrey's knowledge wrt ceramics and semiconductors (tectonics and ignition sources), IMO it is very possible that AG and LC consulted with each other in their fields of common interest and intrigue.

:waitasec:

Very intriguing, SB! Thank you. You've obviously done your homework! I know very little about the LC case and I'm impressed with the research you have done. Very interesting possible link between these two.

So, if AG's death was a 'hit' related to her involvement/knowledge of some type of covert operation, does the sexual/personal/angry tone of her murder fit? I am speculating that it would be a more professional style killing. I must make some time to check out some details of LC's death - was it carried out in a personal manner?

Or, are you thinking more along the lines of professional jealousy/retribution/etc? If that were so, the rage associated with her murder makes sense to me... but I'm still not sure on the sexual component.

Or, is there another scenario related to her scientific work that you envision resulting in AG's death?

The removal of a 'sexual trophy' from her body makes her murder seem to be a very personal, intimate, sexually motivated and/or controlling act, at least to me - I tend toward thinking this was someone who was enraged with AG in a very personal sense, someone who was disgusted/enraged/obsessed by her sexuality. Someone she enticed, then spurned? Or as has been suggested, someone she misled in an online affair, who felt humiliated/disgusted when they found they had been 'involved' with an elderly woman? I also feel that it could extend to a child of hers, whom she gave up/abandoned/denied - to whom her womanhood was, for some reason related to retribution, morally offensive.

Or, I could be convinced that AG was not specifically targeted, that this was more a crime of opportunity (whether pre-planned because she was an easy target, single female living alone in an isolated location or just a spur of the moment thing) with the murderer seizing an opportunity to act out his rage/sexual frustration/perversion against women in general. But, with this scenario, I have trouble reconciling the fact that AG had the dogs confined and seemingly permitted her murderer access into her garage.



:twocents: :moo:

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

To add to the timeline of names, AG started out as Otte Doveika, changed it to Audrey Doveika before she became Audrey Bohnart at 16. This means by age 33 she changed the name she went by 5 times.

Perhaps the key to solving this crime does lie in all of the names/identities? Those are five times that we know about!

With all due respect for you wonderful WS'ers who are digging into AG's associations in Chalk River, etc. my feeling is that her killing was because of *something* more close to home.......Hamilton, Southern Ontario, McMaster, etc.

Now......what that *something* was eludes me!!:blushing:

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ETA: Ooopsy, I missed GT's post above. That's what I was trying to say. Audrey's murder seems too personal, too gruesome to have been done out of having some sort of secret knowledge, etc. Audrey's murder seems like a murder of passion/personal hatred-love/up close and ugly. Deliberately ugly.

I also have little knowledge of the Lachlin case, so perhaps I'm way off here.:blushing:

 

[Jade]

From JW -

Contemplating the ripped stretch pants, pooled blood - and wondering if the 'souvenir' was somewhat like a scalping, but not of the head? Trying to put it delicately. That would be perverse, but depending on how the clothing was laying on the body, it may not be immediately seen by PK but would seem horrific to LE when discovered.

Consider the definition of 'scalp' -

Sorry, perhaps this is inappropriate to post? If this is offensive to you, my apologies and please alert mods, and mods please feel free to delete this post.

I thought of that also.

Early settlers in the southeastern region of the United States having become more numerous and desiring of prime land turned on the Native American. The Natives having been there first naturally had all the good places. This escalated to conflicts and persecution.

A bounty on Natives was offered upon proving the kill with a scalping.

A trophy, if you will.

Since the ultimate prize was a male Native and head scalping didn't really show that clearly the practice of taking the scrotum, the redskin, arose. That is why the term is so repugnant to the Native Americans.

The emasculation was driven by power and domination rather than sexual.


all imo

 

[Sillybilly]

Perhaps the key to solving this crime does lie in all of the names/identities? Those are five times that we know about!

With all due respect for you wonderful WS'ers who are digging into AG's associations in Chalk River, etc. my feeling is that her killing was because of *something* more close to home.......Hamilton, Southern Ontario, McMaster, etc.

Now......what that *something* was eludes me!!:blushing:

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ETA: Ooopsy, I missed GT's post above. That's what I was trying to say. Audrey's murder seems too personal, too gruesome to have been done out of having some sort of secret knowledge, etc. Audrey's murder seems like a murder of passion/personal hatred-love/up close and ugly. Deliberately ugly.

I also have little knowledge of the Lachlin case, so perhaps I'm way off here.:blushing:

I'm not trying to promote a theory one way or another. It is not speculation and I'm not doing a thousand "what ifs" ... it is simply information that exists that i believe is interesting.

IF it was related in any way, it could be something as simple as AG meeting someone through joining a newgroup of common interest, or simply discussing her common interests with someone closer to home.

IF you insist that I have a theory, it will be an opposing one based on "old, far away, and related to yellowcake" ?? :floorlaugh:

PS re the name changes: She really only had 4 "changes". She was given her name at birth (they didn't ask her first); she only changed it once as a teenager (whether legally, we don't know) ... all others were through presumably legal marriages. It remains that she had the option of using whatever name she wanted as long as it wasn't for illegal purposes.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

From SB:

<<< IF you insist that I have a theory, it will be an opposing one based on "old, far away, and related to yellowcake" ?? >>>:floorlaugh:

Geez, how much cake is involved here?

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

 

[dotr]

From SB:

<<< IF you insist that I have a theory, it will be an opposing one based on "old, far away, and related to yellowcake" ?? >>>:floorlaugh:

Geez, how much cake is involved here?

:floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

http://thenewinquiry.com/blogs/the-austerity-kitchen/social-mechanism/
"When people always
try to take
the very smallest
piece of cake,
how can it also
always be
that that’s the one
that’s left for me?"
– Piet Hein, Grooks (ca. 1940-1963)

 

[Sillybilly]

http://thenewinquiry.com/blogs/the-austerity-kitchen/social-mechanism/
"When people always
try to take
the very smallest
piece of cake,
how can it also
always be
that that&#8217;s the one
that&#8217;s left for me?"
&#8211; Piet Hein, Grooks (ca. 1940-1963)

That's why i always go for the biggest piece first

Years ago, i ate a pie ... only one piece left. A friend dropped in for coffee, and I offered her that last piece of pie. My friend said "oh no, you only have one piece left" to which i responded "oh no, i've eaten all the rest". My friend said "why did you leave that one piece". I said "I didn't want to look like a pig".

 

[greenthumb]

A question for those of you more familiar with the many ins & outs of this case -

Was the Amazing Grace video that AG emailed a link to a YouTube video? But the YouTube video posted earlier in this thread (IIRC by SB?) is not the exact same one?

The YouTube video posted in this thread has had more than 250,000 views. It would not surprise me if the one that AG emailed also had a great number of views.

That makes me question how likely it is that the Amazing Grace video was sent as some kind of a signal or appeal for help... after all, thousands and thousands of people have likely received that same email, with that same link. So why, out of all the times that link has been forwarded from friend to friend, might AG think that would alert her neighbour or PK that something was wrong?

I know if I got that email (and I have received many very similar over the years) I would not think twice about it. I have even received this type of 'religious' video from those who are not particularly religioius - just because it is beautiful music. I don't think it would ever cross my mind to wonder if an emailed YouTube link to a song was anything more than a music video.

I am likely missing something, and I'm sorry if it's been explained, but I haven't been able to find an explanation yet in the parts of the threads I have read over again lately. Anyone?

 

[LeftCoaster]

A question for those of you more familiar with the many ins & outs of this case -

Was the Amazing Grace video that AG emailed a link to a YouTube video? But the YouTube video posted earlier in this thread (IIRC by SB?) is not the exact same one?

The YouTube video posted in this thread has had more than 250,000 views. It would not surprise me if the one that AG emailed also had a great number of views.

That makes me question how likely it is that the Amazing Grace video was sent as some kind of a signal or appeal for help... after all, thousands and thousands of people have likely received that same email, with that same link. So why, out of all the times that link has been forwarded from friend to friend, might AG think that would alert her neighbour or PK that something was wrong?

I know if I got that email (and I have received many very similar over the years) I would not think twice about it. I have even received this type of 'religious' video from those who are not particularly religioius - just because it is beautiful music. I don't think it would ever cross my mind to wonder if an emailed YouTube link to a song was anything more than a music video.

I am likely missing something, and I'm sorry if it's been explained, but I haven't been able to find an explanation yet in the parts of the threads I have read over again lately. Anyone?

GT, my own guess is that the significance is retrospective - the forwards might indeed not have seemed significant at the time the recipients got them, but once they were recognized as Audrey's last messages, they became part of the legend. The timing and choice of recipients are what suggest to me that there could be significance. Other than that, as with so much else in our perceptions in this case, there's no substantiation.

 

[LilyMacBloom]

It's taken me several hours to catch up! Glad to see you're still sleuthing. Just for the record. Suzie is a long time friend of LV and A's going way back. So part of what I've typed is from her own knowledge of A and what she has been told by LV and or/ other peeps that are or were in their social circle. And of course are her own opinion.

I have no idea why the following has stuck out to me. From the Facebook group I read two postings from members of the group who appear to be Costco employees. I've been a very long time memberof costco and I have a gf who works there but other than her I'm pretty sure not one person there would remember who I was. Does any body else find that odd?.....OR... did she get her vehicle serviced there on a regular basis |???

Also, the other thing that I'm going to comment and thn jump directly behind the couch and start waving a huge flag....I'm not convinced the PK posting here is really THE PK and not some one posting enough info fishing for more info or ideas blah blah, it wouldn't be the first time. Just my own weenie thought...

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Hi Lily!

First, it was posted that Audrey loved the Costco chicken pot pies.

Regarding PK the poster here......I've NEVER been convinced it's the real PK, the one who found the body. I've noticed that the PK poster here has Skype. Does this person want to get a look at some of us? If so, why? Is it LE trying to lure the killer out?

:dunno:

 

[greenthumb]

GT, my own guess is that the significance is retrospective - the forwards might indeed not have seemed significant at the time the recipients got them, but once they were recognized as Audrey's last messages, they became part of the legend. The timing and choice of recipients are what suggest to me that there could be significance. Other than that, as with so much else in our perceptions in this case, there's no substantiation.

Definitely an eerie coincidence, and having that from AG in your inbox, considering what happened in the subsequent days, would seem rather like a voice from the grave, no doubt... like some kind of weird foreshadowing going on... but I can't follow that it was sent as a deliberate appeal for help from AG. Thanks, LC, for your input!