CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #7

[greenthumb]

Attached is an article from The Spec dated 21 Sept 2011 -

Terri-Lynn Collings, a spokesperson for Hamilton Police, said officers will not comment on the case because the investigation is ongoing. She did say that “no one has been ruled out as a suspect.”

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2123220-audrey-s-case-gets-colder/

RSBM, BBM

Indeed... no one! Which is to say, it may be anyone... and hopefully, LE are not focusing on any one POI... so as to not fall into that trap of tunnel vision. JMO

 

[Pink Panther]

I found this older article (similar to others) where neighbours are perplexed at the lack of investigation:

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...y-gleave-s-murder-and-neighbours-are-anxious/

One can begin to have faith in LE when one sees that they are investigating...

moo

 

[Pink Panther]

I find it easy to interpret 'results from forensic tests ... would solidify the case' to possibly mean no results were obtained.

Attached is an article from The Spec dated 21 Sept 2011 -

Terri-Lynn Collings, a spokesperson for Hamilton Police, said officers will not comment on the case because the investigation is ongoing. She did say that “no one has been ruled out as a suspect.”

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2123220-audrey-s-case-gets-colder/

The article is 1 1/2 years old and basically no new information has surfaced since then...I hope Jon Wells looks into Audrey's case again soon. Maybe he'll wake some people up!

moo

 

[Pink Panther]

RSBM, BBM

Indeed... no one! Which is to say, it may be anyone... and hopefully, LE are not focusing on any one POI... so as to not fall into that trap of tunnel vision. JMO

Geez. I'd be happy if they fell into any kind of "vision" at all!

moo

 

[Pink Panther]

BBM

Do you have a link indicating that PK has not been cleared? Or is that your opinion only?

LE did not identify him as a suspect or POI - so it follows that they would not announce if/when he was cleared, IMO.

They did not announce anything, which is exactly my point.

moo

 

[Pink Panther]

Can we maybe agree that neither semen nor blood dna was found with Audrey? If they had found evidence of such on/near/with her body, wouldn't PK have been automatically removed from the discussion? I mean, if the semen or blood didn't match?

IMO - It's safe to say that while they may have "forensic" evidence and while it may be dna of some sort, it's not specific enough to eliminate PK. Somehow, it did eliminate the person that was initially charged...

moo

 

[Pink Panther]

Ian Matthews

Maybe he'll google his own name and say something soon!

moo

Ian Matthews Audrey Gleave

 

[Pink Panther]

A random killing? With the way she was (secretive/protective)??? No way, no how.

The car as motive? Why didn't they take it? And why assault her sexually while trying to do so? Ah....No. Doesn't make sense. moo

Whoever killed Audrey, knew her. They knew her phobias and her habits.

moo

 

[Wondergirl]

Who thinks there is a link between AG and SV's case, and if you do, do you think LE has a DNA match but has not confirmed it in the media?

 

[Sillybilly]

Just popping in on this thread, but I'm really surprised that PK is being dragged in again. AG was the victim of a sexual assault. LE does have forensic evidence in this case. DNA is an innocent persons best friend. If LE's forensic evidence doesn't match up with a POI, then I don't think they can be considered a POI anymore, regardless if he's still considering himself one.

<rsbm>

Sorry, just catching up here ..

LE did NOT say they have DNA. When charges were withdrawn against DLS, it was because the "forensic evidence" didn't match.

Apparently whatever the "forensic evidence" is that somehow excluded DLS did not exclude PK because LE went back to square one and, according to him, more pressure was put on him after DLS was released, including the polygraph that included discrepancies.

 

[Sillybilly]

IF crime scene DNA was present, perhaps it was not "identical" to PK, but with enough "similar" markings that he still can't be excluded.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Thanks to SB for the clarifications. Yes......DLS is off the hook regarding forensic evidence. PK is still a 'suspect'.

IF LE had located other 'suspects' (meaning strongly suspect) we'd have heard about it by now. All we really know is that PK is still in LE's sights.

I keep having this niggling feeling that (as FromGermany said) that the stories about delivering the cake and the correspondence from AG about being under the weather and all that are divergencies set up by PK himself.

This is my own opinion......:moo:

Are we having difficulties with semantics? Is a 'suspect' a POI? I'm just sick about the fact that since the DLS debacle now LE has to begin all over again.


Quoted from SB:

<<< Apparently whatever the "forensic evidence" is that somehow excluded DLS did not exclude PK because LE went back to square one and, according to him, more pressure was put on him after DLS was released, including the polygraph that included discrepancies. >>>

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Who thinks there is a link between AG and SV's case, and if you do, do you think LE has a DNA match but has not confirmed it in the media?

I'm still wondering about that. :fence: It really seems odd that neither killer has been found by now. I used to think that the same killer was responsible for both cases.

There doesn't seems to be a POI or suspect in the SV case. Unless LE is playing it very close to the vest.

:twocents:

 

[Sillybilly]

Thanks to SB for the clarifications. Yes......DLS is off the hook regarding forensic evidence. PK is still a 'suspect'.

IF LE had located other 'suspects' (meaning strongly suspect) we'd have heard about it by now. All we really know is that PK is still in LE's sights.

I keep having this niggling feeling that (as FromGermany said) that the stories about delivering the cake and the correspondence from AG about being under the weather and all that are divergencies set up by PK himself.

This is my own opinion......:moo:

Are we having difficulties with semantics? Is a 'suspect' a POI? I'm just sick about the fact that since the DLS debacle now LE has to begin all over again.


Quoted from SB:

<<< Apparently whatever the "forensic evidence" is that somehow excluded DLS did not exclude PK because LE went back to square one and, according to him, more pressure was put on him after DLS was released, including the polygraph that included discrepancies. >>>

WRT semantics ... there is a difference between POI and suspect. POIs can be any number of folks in circles related to the victim, but a suspect is usually someone that LE is leaning heavily towards as a perp. LE has never said whether they do or don't have a POI in Audrey's case, and PK said "officially I've been told that I am a person of interest again", so not told that he is a suspect.

I know links have been provided to articles where LE have said they have a POI, but in Canada it is generally not LE's policy to publicly state wrt either category until such time as they have a really good prospect. Let's face it, I think they're afraid to say anything wrt either category after the DLS fiasco.

JMO

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Thanks SB. Just so I understand correctly:

Are you saying that a POI is lesser on LE's radar than a suspect would be? And would a suspect be hauled in for a polygraph in the same way a POI would be? With the same urgency, I mean.

Thanks......:blushing:

 

[MsSherlock]

I'm still wondering about that. :fence: It really seems odd that neither killer has been found by now. I used to think that the same killer was responsible for both cases.

There doesn't seems to be a POI or suspect in the SV case. Unless LE is playing it very close to the vest.

:twocents:

I'm not sure who SV is. My brain seems to be freezing up with age! I know that LC seemed to really like the knife, but recently came back into the spotlight earlier this year after he attacked a jail guard http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...view-with-accused-serial-killer-loujack-caf-/ I think LC is schizophrenic and as the article says, listens to voices he hears- but I don't ever remember seeing anything about LE investigating him in the AG case.

 

[dotr]

I'm not sure who SV is. My brain seems to be freezing up with age! I know that LC seemed to really like the knife, but recently came back into the spotlight earlier this year after he attacked a jail guard http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2...view-with-accused-serial-killer-loujack-caf-/ I think LC is schizophrenic and as the article says, listens to voices he hears- but I don't ever remember seeing anything about LE investigating him in the AG case.

SV is Sonia Varaschin..
Found Deceased Canada - Sonia Varaschin, 42, Orangeville, 29 Aug 2010 - #2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

In that linked interview with Cafe, he speaks of his favorite biblical passages and I wondered if he had any favorite religious songs too...

 

[MsSherlock]

I just thought the brutality kind of fit in with LC and in Mellor's profile of the perp, LC really starts to fit in. According to Mellor, her pants were ripped open and the killer had taken a souvenir Quoting Mellors article: "Canadian crime reporter Jon Wells of The Hamilton Spectator has written of a: "...'sexual component' (it had included a perverse act that went beyond a conventional assault; the killer had taken something from the victim as though making off with a souvenir.)" http://mellortalksmurder.blogspot.c...-deadly-premonitions.html?zx=633cbf93d8a05982

I wonder if LC was ever a suspect in AG's murder? Aside for TB's horrific homicide, has Hamilton been quiet in random murders since LC's been locked up?

 

[Sillybilly]

Thanks SB. Just so I understand correctly:

Are you saying that a POI is lesser on LE's radar than a suspect would be? And would a suspect be hauled in for a polygraph in the same way a POI would be? With the same urgency, I mean.

Thanks......:blushing:

Yes, that's what i'm saying. POI can be anyone (the convection oven guy, the meter reader, the handyman, a friend/neighbour, last person to see victim alive, etc), but out of what could be an initial circle of POIs, LE might zero in on a person that seems to be more "suspect" than the others for whatever reasons (thus elevating that person to "suspect" status). There is no legal definition associated with the term POI. If and when the term is used, it is non-official, but when LE starts tossing around the term "suspect", they're onto something moreso than someone just being an initial POI.

POIs could be quickly eliminated for a variety of reasons, i.e. alibi. Other POIs might be asked to take a poly (it's just an investigative tool, and not admissible in court). As for being "hauled in" or "urgency", nobody gets hauled in. Folks can refuse to take one (although it can raise suspicion), but PK obviously agreed to do so. We don't know if he was the only POI who was asked to take one, or if there were others who did, or others who refused. We have nothing to compare his experience to.

Even a "suspect" would not be "hauled in" to be polygraphed. There is no legal requirement that anyone take one, and no penalty of law for refusing to take one.

 

[Pink Panther]

Does anyone know if LV was/is married? If she has children?