CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #8

[LambChop]

As I mentioned before I'm not that familiar with what has been discussed over the few years since Audrey was killed so I have a question maybe someone else can answer. Was Audrey in a habit of keeping the dogs in their crates during the day? If she crated them only at night or when she was expecting company she may have been expecting someone. I can't imagine if she heard something in the garage late at night that she would not have let the dogs out while checking because the dogs would have alerted her.

So was she expecting someone on Wednesday and the reason she asked for no company on Wednesday might have been to keep this person from running into anyone she knew? I know she emailed everyone she was ill and missed her coffee group but what if it were more important for her to meet with this "unknown" person. Obviously there was DNA at the crime scene if they were asking for samples of her friends DNA.

And from the mailbox story Audrey seemed to enjoy a little excitement in her life so it appears there was a reason, only known to her apparently, why she did not want friends visiting in her home. jmo

 

[colette]

I think Audrey kept friends out of the home as it was cluttered, possibly with paths to walk. There is confusion about when Audrey crated the dogs. I don't think we know if they were crated all night or at times during the day.

 

[dotr]

Dogs can cause more friction among neighbours than kids, some might say. In this case
it led to murder.
Did Audrey's dogs anger or frighten someone to the point of retaliation?

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2014/01/09/21386916.html

"DALLAS - A 76-year-old Dallas man was convicted of capital murder Thursday in the shooting deaths of his neighbours last year because of a months-long feud about their dog's waste on his porch"

 

[colette]

Dogs can cause more friction among neighbours than kids, some might say. In this case
it led to murder.
Did Audrey's dogs anger or frighten someone to the point of retaliation?

That is a good question dotr, maybe someone did not like the barking and their aggressive manner.

 

[Chorley8]

As I mentioned before I'm not that familiar with what has been discussed over the few years since Audrey was killed so I have a question maybe someone else can answer. Was Audrey in a habit of keeping the dogs in their crates during the day? If she crated them only at night or when she was expecting company she may have been expecting someone. I can't imagine if she heard something in the garage late at night that she would not have let the dogs out while checking because the dogs would have alerted her.

So was she expecting someone on Wednesday and the reason she asked for no company on Wednesday might have been to keep this person from running into anyone she knew? I know she emailed everyone she was ill and missed her coffee group but what if it were more important for her to meet with this "unknown" person. Obviously there was DNA at the crime scene if they were asking for samples of her friends DNA.

And from the mailbox story Audrey seemed to enjoy a little excitement in her life so it appears there was a reason, only known to her apparently, why she did not want friends visiting in her home. jmo

Excellent post and yes must say that the first intuitive thing from my own experience that came into my mind when I read about this case and fit this the facts of this case was a visit of so old friend or student - as I said once before earlier thread a scene from the film The Conformist came into my mind spontaneously - a teacher is visited by a student who requests to meet with him. Kills him at the visit. Political motive in that film does not have to be here.

Now one thing we should add at this point from your post I think is that he might want to begin favouring or considering the notion of someone absolutely unknown to us and LE presumably and not a raving passer by. Someone who booked an appt. with Audrey and who Audrey wanted to meet alone or agreed to.

I think we need to go in that direction because let's face it there was odd behaviour by her friends and the will is odd YET LE was unable to get at any of them - so maybe they are all innocent and just acting badly.
Trouble is how can we sleuth that?

[modsnip]

I actually DO find it unlikely that say a woman doing a financial crime would sexually desecrate Audrey - it would be SO much easier to arrange an accident for Audrey fall from a height whatever.

I don't think we want to turn this site into a conspiracy site I know we don't but to keep things vague - with the nuclear industry the stakes are enormous so it is just possible.........and etc.

 

[Salem]

MSM links are needed to bring others into the discussion, please.

Salem

 

[Deleted member 102539]

AG had twin automatic garage doors.
Were there space to park another car beside the camaro? Did the visitor park inside?
The visitor, nobody was allowed to know about, was it a person out of other earlier times though AG had no contact for many, many years?
Was there a reason for just now have a visit or why this time of the year?
Had the person been visiting parents or other relatives over Christmas and only therefore came to this area?
What matter of concern the person might have had?
To what question AG could have said "No!" ?????????????????????

 

[Deleted member 102539]

IF AG per emails lied about illness and didn't want anybody to know her secretive visitor, why then leave the home to drive to the vet?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

:lurk: I don't know how/what to post here any more. So, :hills: .

These are merely my THOUGHTS about it all.

:seeya:

One more THOUGHT - I am starting to truly believe that there will never be justice for Audrey Gleave. A cunning killer(s) will continue to get away with murder. :tears:

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I had seriously planned, not to wright any more. :smile:

I don't know, why I still do. :banghead:

A lot of thought, not a result. :tantrum:


Kind regards to you, NSU!

 

[Sillybilly]

I think we are hampered and exasperated by LE's failure or inability to identify or name a POI or a suspect.

Doesn't mean we can't think and continue working behind the scenes. While we have to remain silent in some respects for legal and ethical reasons, we can still be here for Audrey's sake.

 

[Sillybilly]

AG had twin automatic garage doors.
Were there space to park another car beside the camaro? Did the visitor park inside?
The visitor, nobody was allowed to know about, was it a person out of other earlier times though AG had no contact for many, many years?
Was there a reason for just now have a visit or why this time of the year?
Had the person been visiting parents or other relatives over Christmas and only therefore came to this area?
What matter of concern the person might have had?
To what question AG could have said "No!" ?????????????????????

PK indicated space in the garage was pretty limited:

from:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

Regarding the many questions about Audrey's car and the size of the garage… the garage was tiny by virtue of the fact that it was packed right tight with Audrey's things. I had her (giant) Camaro, all her gardening tools, including a lawn roller, riding lawn mower, shovels, wheelbarrow, etc etc and also her bench, generator, green bin, recycling box and a host of other tools and things. This meant that it was quite tight in the garage. Audrey always kept the car locked but I'm uncertain where her keys were (except that I think they were inside with the purse). I don't know even if the car had an alarm or if Audrey kept it armed but I'm not aware if it went off at any time.

 

[colette]

IF AG per emails lied about illness and didn't want anybody to know her secretive visitor, why then leave the home to drive to the vet?

Maybe she didn't lie. Sometimes when people are sick they feel better at times and then they feel bad again, maybe this is what happened to Audrey.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Maybe she didn't lie. Sometimes when people are sick they feel better at times and then they feel bad again, maybe this is what happened to Audrey.

I thought of the deliberately misleading of her acquaintances to avoid visiting, not just "lie". :smile:

 

[Chorley8]

I thought of the deliberately misleading of her acquaintances to avoid visiting, not just "lie". :smile:

Let's face it solving a case on a crime site WITHOUT all the resources, time and info LE has is a long shot in any case. But it does happen that things help I mean WS etc. has got some media attention in that regard. I think of the Zodiac case where husband and wife cracked the one code not the FBI. You just never know what someone will notice.

I am not even a law and order type (just personally) I hate the prison system but almost all of the crimes on WS any reasonable person would want to solve.

And apart from ratiocination even the emotional appeals that do get mocked it seems in commentary about sites like this IMO DO no doubt in most cases do help the families think somebody still takes an interest.

And FromGermany your posts are WAY above average IMO (like SillyBilly's and many others who just think about these things better than I do and I even consider myself not stupid!) but some have a knack.

Hope you keep posting and reading!

 

[Chorley8]

:lurk: I don't know how/what to post here any more. So, :hills: .

These are merely my THOUGHTS about it all.

:seeya:

One more THOUGHT - I am starting to truly believe that there will never be justice for Audrey Gleave. A cunning killer(s) will continue to get away with murder. :tears:

Probably but not certainly.

 

[roseofsharon]

When someone in the coffee group was going to be absent, was it the normal routine for that person to email/phone someone else in the coffee group to pass this information along. Were the coffee group members that close?

So, someone in the coffee group was also on AG's email list.

AG was described as private and quiet among the group, so this is puzzling.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2182849-police-investigating-ancaster-area-homicide/


imo

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I had seriously planned, not to wright any more. :smile:

Oh sorry, today I just notice another mistake: write. I'm 66 and my brain unfortunately perhaps isn't well preserved. :blushing:

 

[Woodland]

When someone in the coffee group was going to be absent, was it the normal routine for that person to email/phone someone else in the coffee group to pass this information along. Were the coffee group members that close?

So, someone in the coffee group was also on AG's email list.

AG was described as private and quiet among the group, so this is puzzling.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2182849-police-investigating-ancaster-area-homicide/


imo

It would appear someone from the coffee group was able to be contacted from AG's computer.

I like and respect the tributes members of the coffee group gave AG within a day of her being found in her garage. From the article linked, two people who knew her for 14 years as part of the coffee group and years before that as a teacher - she was private, a very good teacher who knew her stuff, helped members of the coffee group with computer problems, was heads and shoulders above the rest on technical aspects of computers, a very nice person, friendly, very nice with the kids - they really liked her.

Appropriate from people that knew her as well as anyone else during a time of shock when it was learned she had been viciously murdered. Imo.

 

[Chorley8]

It would appear someone from the coffee group was able to be contacted from AG's computer.

I like and respect the tributes members of the coffee group gave AG within a day of her being found in her garage. From the article linked, two people who knew her for 14 years as part of the coffee group and years before that as a teacher - she was private, a very good teacher who knew her stuff, helped members of the coffee group with computer problems, was heads and shoulders above the rest on technical aspects of computers, a very nice person, friendly, very nice with the kids - they really liked her.

Appropriate from people that knew her as well as anyone else during a time of shock when it was learned she had been viciously murdered. Imo.

Well ok... but let's not go too far in the praise of the anonymous...one of them could be involved...and how hard is to say someone is a great teacher etc?