CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #8

[Woodland]

The 2 teachers quoted in the article (names quoted so not anonymous) are not the only 2 teachers to have said very positive things about AG and her abilities in many areas. Other teachers said similar things on news video shots while entering/exiting the two memorials held for AG.

This is in contrast to other non-teacher friends.

 

[roseofsharon]

Well ok... but let's not go too far in the praise of the anonymous...one of them could be involved...and how hard is to say someone is a great teacher etc?

Respectfully, I agree, and for that matter, when someone knows they are going to be quoted in the news, do they say what they really would want to say (even if they felt otherwise about a person) and of course, no one would do this, as it would raise a red flag, if they expressed ill will towards a person whom had been murdered. IMO :twocents:

 

[roseofsharon]

The people who knew AG was under the weather, as far as is known from msm ...

- LV and possibly other guests at her home on December 26
- delivery of soup December 27

- PK and AK
- cake delivery postponed due to illness and delivered December 30

- possibly Dr. DC (unconfirmed)

- coffee group member emailed and possibly information passed on to all coffee group members attending the cafe that Wednesday

So the coffee group member receiving the email must have known the name "baryon".

IMO

 

[roseofsharon]

Regarding AG's email address:


http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/news-story/2183686-who-was-audrey-gleave-/

AG must have trusted each member of the coffee group implicitly because she released it to one member of the group that we know of, according to msm. Did AG discuss her concerns regarding "group email" with the recipient of this email?

IMO

 

[LambChop]

Could Audrey have had a stalker? Maybe someone who her friends did not know and that is why she did not want her email circulated?

 

[Woodland]

A stalker regarding her e-mail or maybe AG did not want to be found by someone in particular?

AG doesn't seem to have taken any steps that we know of regarding her mailbox being smashed one month or so prior to her death. As in calling police out of concern someone may return - in fact it's reported she took it very lightly. I don't recall a neighbour saying anything about hearing the smashing of AG's mailbox. If barking dogs could be heard, it seems reasonable that kind of noise would be heard as well. Jmo.

 

[roseofsharon]

Could Audrey have had a stalker? Maybe someone who her friends did not know and that is why she did not want her email circulated?

Just moo, but LE needs to peel back the layers of the onion!

I doubt there was a bogeyman between xmas and new years lurking around Indian Trail, but someone AG knew very well or someone she thought she knew very well.

This person may have been a stalker due to jealouy/obsession over AG for whatever reasons, along with not liking her very much.

imo

 

[dotr]

It is easy imo, to imagine Audrey striking up a conversation with someone in a coffee shop or hardware store cash lineup.
If Audrey found someone interesting or intelligent , or if they needed help to fix something like a tv or a computer ect. I can picture her befriending them, but also possibly offending them too.
Did she interview photographers other than the ones we know of, for the wedding, or to hire for any other job?

 

[greenthumb]

A stalker regarding her e-mail or maybe AG did not want to be found by someone in particular?

AG doesn't seem to have taken any steps that we know of regarding her mailbox being smashed one month or so prior to her death. As in calling police out of concern someone may return - in fact it's reported she took it very lightly. I don't recall a neighbour saying anything about hearing the smashing of AG's mailbox. If barking dogs could be heard, it seems reasonable that kind of noise would be heard as well. Jmo.

IMO, having lived in rural areas most of my life, I do not find it unusual that AG did not report the mailbox vandalism to anyone. This kind of thing happens, from time to time, and usually is chalked up to teens out for a joyride and acting out... so one just fixes the mailbox and carries on, unless it happens repeatedly, or seems targeted in some way. It's annoying, certainly... but I think most people think there is little LE can do, except possibly write a report, which does little but take up their valuable time.

And we have had ours vandalized, as have neighbours occasionally through the years... but the noise has never woken me, perhaps in part because many rural homes are set back a fair distance from the road.

HTH and JMO.

 

[Woodland]

I agree AG would unlikely report mailbox vandalism if she did not think she had a stalker or was threatened in any way. I was relating the thought from the point of view she seemed not to be aware of or feel threatened by a stalker.

It just occurred to me to check if a neighbour or LE ever confirmed that AG had her mailbox vandalized in November 2010.

 

[Woodland]

Did not find other mailbox confirmation yet, but this stood out somewhat.

Lynne handled all the arrangements. She could not fulfil Audrey's request to bury her ashes in the pet cemetery beside two of her previous German shepherds — that is illegal in Ontario. Friends said the ashes were sprinkled on the golf course in Brantford instead.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2111178-who-killed-audrey-gleave-/


This must have been a verbal request/notion/idea as AG wanting to be buried in the pet cemetery is not in the Will allegedly written by AG. Then again, I thought someone else alleged to have been privy to what should happen after AG passes. Maybe this other person passed the verbal wishes along to the executrix?

Then again, who would guess that a nosy person would post this publicly available doc on-line?

 

[roseofsharon]

I wonder why LV could not scatter AG's ashes with her deceased pets, unless I am not reading this correctly.

This document is dated 2009. I can't imagine that Dr. DC would have refused a request for AG's ashes to be scattered on the property he owned.

http://fiso.ncf.ca/page22/page22.html

 

[Woodland]

Wonder when AG made the request(s) to have her ashes buried in the pet cemetery and to whom? Also wonder why AG did not put this request in her Will.

AG's Will did not specify cremation either. Curious.

 

[Sillybilly]

Wonder when AG made the request(s) to have her ashes buried in the pet cemetery and to whom? Also wonder why AG did not put this request in her Will.

AG's Will did not specify cremation either. Curious.

Some of those requests could have been contained in a "Memorandum" which may or may not have been attached to the Will. (It's been many years since I had any dealings with Wills and Estates in Ontario law, but IIRC ... had it been attached to the Will, it would have said so in the Will and would have been legally binding. If the Memorandum is not mentioned in the Will and is separate and apart, it is just more of a guideline for the Trustee and is not legally binding upon the Trustee).

As for the legality of ashes in the pet cemetery:

from an article on Dr. Dudley Collins:
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=106381

But he's out there most days, a solitary figure bent over among the solar lanterns and ceramic lambs, the St. Francis of Assisi statues and fake flowers, the Brandys and Gigis and people -- the ashes of ordinary people who've chosen to spend eternity with the most faithful companions they ever had. Collins keeps that clientele low key, prefers to talk about the lower creatures on the mammal hierarchy.

<bbm>

So, why couldn't Audrey ashes have been buried there alongside her beloved pets?

 

[Woodland]

In the same article, the vet vows he will be cremated and buried in his pet cemetery.

So yes, why couldn't AG's ashes have been buried there? Wonder what it costs?

 

[greenthumb]

I agree AG would unlikely report mailbox vandalism if she did not think she had a stalker or was threatened in any way. I was relating the thought from the point of view she seemed not to be aware of or feel threatened by a stalker.

It just occurred to me to check if a neighbour or LE ever confirmed that AG had her mailbox vandalized in November 2010.

I've been giving this some thought, Woodland... another way to look at it, perhaps... if there had been other threats or she had been targeted in some way previously, she apparently had not shared those concerns with LE either (as far as we know)... so if she mentally linked the mailbox vandalism to some perceived threat, it may have been just one more thing she was either afraid to report or she decided to deal with on her own. Perhaps because she had an inkling as to who her 'stalker' might be, and thought she could handle it herself? Which may have led to her setting up a scenario to catch someone who expected her to be away from the house having coffee with her group on Wednesday (as suggested by previous posters)?

 

[greenthumb]

As for the legality of ashes in the pet cemetery:

from an article on Dr. Dudley Collins:
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=106381

<bbm>

So, why couldn't Audrey ashes have been buried there alongside her beloved pets?

RSBM

http://www.sse.gov.on.ca/mcs/en/pages/fbcsa_basics.aspx

You may scatter cremated remains on private property with the consent of the land owner. If a land owner wants to allow repeated scatterings to take place on a specific piece of his or her property, he or she must register that land as a cemetery

It does not appear that the Ancaster Pet Cemetery was registered as a cemetery (for human remains) - I checked here - http://www.consumerbeware.mgs.gov.on.ca/esearch/cemeterySearch.do?eformsId=0

So, perhaps Dr. DC was no longer permitted to accept human ashes since he had not registered the land as a cemetery?

 

[Chorley8]

Wonder when AG made the request(s) to have her ashes buried in the pet cemetery and to whom? Also wonder why AG did not put this request in her Will.

AG's Will did not specify cremation either. Curious.

Yes WS your analysis of the will is the best we have so far and again personally I don't believe it is real. Confounds common sense and everything we know about AG.

We don't have to believe in the date of that will of course if forged it can say anything.

What does everyone think of the following: that there is more than one crime? Sort of as if someone shot down a plane and other people came running out to steal money from the remains (which happens.)

IF everyone actually did initially suspect the man they arrested it might be possible to think this could be an opportunity for wealth enhancement.

I still suspect but have no evidence Audrey had a lot more money in some form maybe as gold, whatever in the house. It COULD fit her character as we know it - but we have no evidence other than a number of people seem to get wealthier after her murder.

Just another idea and this I actually know happened and in Ancaster: people can try to extract information from anyone especially the old by drugging them during visits. They MIGHT not even remember or not be sure if it was a dream, illusion.

Does anyone know if Audrey was interested in handwriting analysis as in "show your personality" or more investigatively as in "who wrote this?".

 

[Salem]

Just want to say that to me, on WS, hopefully not in life generally (!) it is best not to "clear" anyone in our minds until the case is cleared. So I have personally had no reason to fall for the persona/mythology of the lovable vet since it is to some extent self-created and since he is one of the last people even possibly the last person to see Audrey alive. And he fudged/changed the timeline yes can easily happen EXCEPT it is Christmas in the country and usually that is a marker in conversation at that time as in "what are you doing for Christmas" future tense or "how was your Christmas" past tense.

I have a mild cautionary feeling about pet cemetary owner's but perhaps this is unfair - almost like it is a warning sign.

Mailbox: tough to get anything definitive from that mailbox baseball (smashing) is proverbial. Could mean something more probably not IMO though I am open.

Chorley - it has been so long since I have reviewed some of the info on this case. Can you link up this info for me, please?

Thanks,

Salem

 

[Chorley8]

aarrgh I am losing it was thinking last post was pm please delete the vet posts and I will repost with links when I have time.

Sorry!!