CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #8

[LambChop]

PK is a member here so sleuthing him is off limits according to TOS. Unless there are further developments where LE names a suspect we are done with discussing this person.

You can discuss anything released to MSN but no one has been officially named a suspect to our knowledge so until such time you can keep the discussions of suspects in a general sense. With no real news from LE it is very difficult to keep our minds from wandering but we all know what is off limits.

 

[Canadian4]

I still believe A.G said she was going to the coffee group because she thought someone had been in going into her house snooping around. She didn't go and put the dogs in the crates. She waited in the garage to confront them and lo and behold someone opened the door. I don't think for one minute A.G was afraid of this person and just wanted to confront him/her. That person got the surprise of their life seeing her there and overreacted because he/she would be exposed by A.G and that person would lose their freedom, lifestyle, everything.

 

[colette]

I don't recall reading that Audrey thought someone was snooping in her home. I know she was upset by the mailbox problem. Audrey does not strike me as a person who was afraid of too many people, even strangers. Distrustful and leery yes, fearful no. She seemed like a very strong personality.

 

[Woodland]

I have a question for the mods if I may -

Trying to open one of, or the last of, PK's posts - the Stollen cake recipe from thread #6, page 2, post #36. Would like to try and make that over the holidays to validate the info.

Getting a message that 'opening this will be harmful to my computer'.

Is it just my computer? Or is the file a threat?

Thank-you.

 

[Salem]

I have no idea, Woodland. WS does not have any viruses - but outside links might. If it is just the security message your virus software gives you when you click an unknown link - then click at your own risk according to the guidelines of your security software.

You might try googling the recipe and see if you can find it at a safer site?

Salem

 

[greenthumb]

I have a question for the mods if I may -

Trying to open one of, or the last of, PK's posts - the Stollen cake recipe from thread #6, page 2, post #36. Would like to try and make that over the holidays to validate the info.

Getting a message that 'opening this will be harmful to my computer'.

Is it just my computer? Or is the file a threat?

Thank-you.

Woodland, the recipe file opens on my computer without any such warnings, so I believe it is ok. However, the exact same recipe is available here, word for word, if you'd like to try it - http://www.oocities.org/heartland/grove/3928/MeltingPot42.html

Merry Christmas!

 

[Woodland]

Thanks Salem, but will not click on a risk if McAfee advises me not to do so - McAfee has personal problems but believe his system, which I pay for, is valid.

Thanks greenthumb - word for word somewhere else? No personal touch? Will try it on your say so - cheers!

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I have a question for the mods if I may -

Trying to open one of, or the last of, PK's posts - the Stollen cake recipe from thread #6, page 2, post #36. Would like to try and make that over the holidays to validate the info.

Getting a message that 'opening this will be harmful to my computer'.

Is it just my computer? Or is the file a threat?

Thank-you.

Woodland, when the link first appeared I also got a warning from my computer protection - AVG. In fact my AVG said "Blocked By AVG" in red letters. So, I have no desire to hit the link again.

:dunno:

 

[LeftCoaster]

I don't recall reading that Audrey thought someone was snooping in her home. I know she was upset by the mailbox problem. Audrey does not strike me as a person who was afraid of too many people, even strangers. Distrustful and leery yes, fearful no. She seemed like a very strong personality.

I'll be taking a look for the specific link to post here, but it seems to me the neighbour across the way from Audrey commented to MSM, after the murder, that Audrey had said something not long before about always making sure she had the dogs with her when outside at night. Something was worrying her, if the neighbour (the recipient, also, curiously, of the Amazing Grace video forward) is to be believed.

As the third anniversary of Audrey's death approaches, wishing with all my might that the big break will come to solve this case.lease:

 

[roseofsharon]

I still believe A.G said she was going to the coffee group because she thought someone had been in going into her house snooping around. She didn't go and put the dogs in the crates. She waited in the garage to confront them and lo and behold someone opened the door. I don't think for one minute A.G was afraid of this person and just wanted to confront him/her. That person got the surprise of their life seeing her there and overreacted because he/she would be exposed by A.G and that person would lose their freedom, lifestyle, everything.

Hmmm, but why wouldn't AG keep her dogs close for protection?

This is an interesting theory.

 

[Woodland]

I still believe A.G said she was going to the coffee group because she thought someone had been in going into her house snooping around. She didn't go and put the dogs in the crates. She waited in the garage to confront them and lo and behold someone opened the door. I don't think for one minute A.G was afraid of this person and just wanted to confront him/her. That person got the surprise of their life seeing her there and overreacted because he/she would be exposed by A.G and that person would lose their freedom, lifestyle, everything.

There is no back-up to 'AG thought someone had been in going into her house snooping around', or that AG 'didn't go and put the dogs in the crates'.

Tried to alert before there were responses beyond the first one.

 

[Salem]

Theories can be discussed without links - but it has to be reasonable. In this case, it is plausible that AG thought someone was snooping around. As a theory - it's plausible. Doesn't mean it is real or that is what happened - it is just speculation. That's okay as long as the poster indicates it is their theory/speculation.

Salem

 

[LeftCoaster]

Found it! The reference to an email between Audrey and her neighbour LF in which Audrey says she is fearful at night:

http://www.ottawacommunitynews.com/...y-gleave-s-murder-and-neighbours-are-anxious/

[LF], who e-mailed back and forth with Gleave, has been going through past messages.

F said there was an e-mail about a month before her death in which Gleave described not wanting to go outside at night without her two big German shepherds.

This only makes the neighbours question even more why the dogs were locked inside and why Gleave’s body was found in the garage. There is a door into the home from the garage.

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[Sillybilly]

I still believe A.G said she was going to the coffee group because she thought someone had been in going into her house snooping around. She didn't go and put the dogs in the crates. She waited in the garage to confront them and lo and behold someone opened the door. I don't think for one minute A.G was afraid of this person and just wanted to confront him/her. That person got the surprise of their life seeing her there and overreacted because he/she would be exposed by A.G and that person would lose their freedom, lifestyle, everything.

Interesting Canadian4. Yes, the early morning email saying she would go on Wednesday "come hell or high water", but that same day notified her coffee group that she would not attend on Wednesday. IMO, this is the very plausible explanation for the two totally contradictory messages sent to two different recipients on the same day.

 

[Sillybilly]

I wonder if LV knows whether Audrey smoked in her home or not. It's not clear from PK's posts, as he initially said

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

Audrey certainly would smoke in her home but she would usually put the door up if she was going to smoke in the garage

but later said

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Audrey Gleave, retired teacher, viciously murdered in home, Ancaster Ontario, #2

she would definitely smoke in the garage with the door up and (I believe, though I never saw her / asked about it) that she would smoke inside sometimes

So it seems we don't know one way or another. IF she did smoke in her home, there was no real need to go out to the garage to do so in December without her dogs, especially when she had expressed that she wouldn't go out at night without them. PK also said that Audrey like to look at the stars and would let the dogs run. IF she went outside to look at the stars (if there were any visible between Dec 27 and 29), she obviously didn't take the dogs with her outside that night.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Quoted from Canadian4 above:

She waited in the garage to confront them and lo and behold someone opened the door. I don't think for one minute A.G was afraid of this person and just wanted to confront him/her.

I'm confused yet again :blushing: but which door do you mean? I take your post to mean the garage door........but, but, but.......which door do you mean? Also, how would anyone be able to open any of Audrey's doors?

Thanks for some sort of response....... (Or any 'translations'/thoughts from the rest of you).

:blushing:

 

[Quad]

PK had the Garage Door Code

 

[roseofsharon]

Quoted from Canadian4 above:

She waited in the garage to confront them and lo and behold someone opened the door. I don't think for one minute A.G was afraid of this person and just wanted to confront him/her.

I'm confused yet again :blushing: but which door do you mean? I take your post to mean the garage door........but, but, but.......which door do you mean? Also, how would anyone be able to open any of Audrey's doors?

Thanks for some sort of response....... (Or any 'translations'/thoughts from the rest of you).

:blushing:

Stone, I could be all wrong here, but I think this may be the crux of what Canadian4 is getting at.

In C4's speculative scenario, AG thought someone was snooping inside her home, when she was away from her home and so she may have waited inside her garage to hear how and where the snooper/murderer was entering.

If this person was looking in her windows first, they would not have seen her and perhaps may have also seen that the dogs were in their crates, therefore, the murderer thought AG wasn't home and it was safe to go snooping. Curtains may or may not have been on the garage window, again speculation.

The garage door opening is pure speculation also.

IMO, this is a very plausible theory, as AG was very intelligent and may have set this up, as C4 suggested, in order to catch whomever this was, but got much more than she bagained for.

Above opinions expressed are pure speculation expanding on C4's speculation. (whew!)

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

:seeya: Hey fellow sleuthers, thanks. If memory serves (and that is questionable!) when we saw the photos right after the killing it didn't seem to me that there was a curtain/covering on the garage window.

And you know, this really is a good theory! It's so Audrey - you know, to 'catch someone in the act' of entering the garage and (possibly) scaring the person's wits out. That, from what we know of Audrey, seems to fit her personality/characteristics.

Now you've all got me wondering if Audrey's garage door was noisy when it was being opened/closed. Ours isn't terribly noisy but (when I'm in the house) I can usually here it opening/closing by my husband.

Hmmmmm........more food for thought here.....

:twocents:

BTW: We don't bother with window covering for our garage. Afterall, it's really only a garage.

 

[Sillybilly]

So it seems we don't know one way or another. IF she did smoke in her home, there was no real need to go out to the garage to do so in December without her dogs, especially when she had expressed that she wouldn't go out at night without them. PK also said that Audrey like to look at the stars and would let the dogs run. IF she went outside to look at the stars (if there were any visible between Dec 27 and 29), she obviously didn't take the dogs with her outside that night.

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Just wanting to correct myself where I infer that Audrey was killed at night. Obviously we don't know what day she was killed or the time of day.