CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #9

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Possible attackers = did a group of former students plan a prank and it got out of hand, went too far? Thinking out loud again.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Why does something feel off here? We’re missing something big.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Sexual assault of 91 year old woman in Vaughan - video

https://twitter.com/x/status/1541817088586702850

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

“One or more assailants “. Is this new, did it get dropped? I recall LE talking about how vicious her attack was. Horrible.

Wow, that is "new", but I also see in that article another change in specific detail, no longer is it a whole cake but now a piece of cake to be dropped off.

"On Dec. 30, he was bringing Gleave a piece of her favourite cake and keyed in the code. But when the door rose, he saw her body."

Audrey GLEAVE Homicide | Hamilton Police Service

On Thursday December 30th, 2010 Police responded to 3401 Indian Trail Road, Lynden and discovered the lifeless body of Audrey GLEAVE (73 years). Gleave had been the victim of a particularly violent attack and had been stabbed multiple times. Gleave was a retired school teacher who lived alone at...

hamiltonpolice.on.ca

today police do not mention any sexual assault, only violent and stabs.

I am not sure if a reporter is embellishing the facts as they are rewriting a story for us today so many years later and possibly mixing up facts from multiple incidents or if all of the original articles were inaccurate but reporting today does not seem to need any proof to publish? Kinsman himself said that he had a whole cake inside a Tupperware cake container.

IMO I will disregard this new article Who killed Audrey Gleave? 'Horrendous’ Ancaster murder still unsolved as fact, the police hamilton site does not mention multiple suspects either and they arrested a single individual early on, let him go for lack of evidence and then told Mr. Kinsman's wife her husband was guilty he was #1 suspect, no mention of anyone else.

 

[deugirtni]

The 'new' article is from 2020.. it was posted previously on the thread here:

CANADA - Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #9

So, as I have said before, I have followed the AG case closely for a long time. Own the Jon Wells book, live near location, the whole shebang. Recently, I decided to poke around in unsolved murders in the smaller towns and surroundings, looking for any similarities at all. One murder I...

www.websleuths.com

The same article also appeared in The Spec at the same time:

Who killed Audrey Gleave? 'Horrendous’ Ancaster murder still unsolved

I did find one early article written by an unnamed, which said police thought 'one or more individuals'.. interestingly from the same news publisher, but no way of knowing if same author as the 2020 article. This was early info though.. and police changed their theory from 'unknown to her', to 'known to her', and also changed their theory that the sexual component may have been staged to appear to be a sexually motivated attack. Nowhere did I find an article saying that only a piece of cake was brought, however. Maybe the info was republished as an early 10th anniversary story or something? Good call to disregard the article, imho.

Gleave's body was discovered by a friend shortly before 11 a.m. on December 30. At the time police indicated the crime was likely committed by one or more individuals unknown to the victim.

Police drop charges in Gleave homicide

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Now I don't know what to believe. Many assailants? A piece of cake? A whole cake? One assailant? Either way, it's my humble opinion that the cake and the person who delivered the cake are entrenched in this murder. Somehow. Too many discrepancies here.

 

[Gina20]

Service Ontario employees among 28 people charged after police bust major auto-theft organizations

More than 200 stolen cars have been recovered and 28 people have been charged, including an unspecified number of Service Ontario employees, in connection with the dismantling of three auto-theft based criminal organizations.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

"In addition to a string of violent carjackings, vehicle owners have also seen their property removed from their driveways in the middle of the night."

How long was this group operating before the investigation? It would be convenient to have the addresses of the sought-after cars, then custom steal for clients.

 

[dotr]

Service Ontario employees among 28 people charged after police bust major auto-theft organizations

More than 200 stolen cars have been recovered and 28 people have been charged, including an unspecified number of Service Ontario employees, in connection with the dismantling of three auto-theft based criminal organizations.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

"In addition to a string of violent carjackings, vehicle owners have also seen their property removed from their driveways in the middle of the night."

How long was this group operating before the investigation? It would be convenient to have the addresses of the sought-after cars, then custom steal for clients.

Would AG have to register her new spiffy car at one of these places? speculation.
July 28 2022

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[Gina20]

Would AG have to register her new spiffy car at one of these places? speculation.
July 28 2022

Toronto, Canada and Global Breaking News – CP24

Most recent News News business news stories and video from CP24

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It would be helpful to know if these registry employees had access to all vehicle licence information for the province, or just the ones they renewed in person.

Stoney Creek is only about 30 minutes away from Audrey's house.

 

[Gina20]

The 'new' article is from 2020.. it was posted previously on the thread here:

CANADA - Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #9

So, as I have said before, I have followed the AG case closely for a long time. Own the Jon Wells book, live near location, the whole shebang. Recently, I decided to poke around in unsolved murders in the smaller towns and surroundings, looking for any similarities at all. One murder I...

www.websleuths.com

The same article also appeared in The Spec at the same time:

Who killed Audrey Gleave? 'Horrendous’ Ancaster murder still unsolved

I did find one early article written by an unnamed, which said police thought 'one or more individuals'.. interestingly from the same news publisher, but no way of knowing if same author as the 2020 article. This was early info though.. and police changed their theory from 'unknown to her', to 'known to her', and also changed their theory that the sexual component may have been staged to appear to be a sexually motivated attack. Nowhere did I find an article saying that only a piece of cake was brought, however. Maybe the info was republished as an early 10th anniversary story or something? Good call to disregard the article, imho.

Gleave's body was discovered by a friend shortly before 11 a.m. on December 30. At the time police indicated the crime was likely committed by one or more individuals unknown to the victim.

Police drop charges in Gleave homicide

Surely there would be no need to describe a domed-lid Tupperware cake container left in a car for a single piece of fruit bread. I'd really hate to lose that detail.

Who killed Audrey Gleave?

Life pulses in the countryside, trees and fields full and green in the hamlet of Lynden, near Ancaster.

www.thespec.com

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Answering some questions above:
1. Yes, Audrey’s car would be registered with Service Ontario.
2. Yes, the employees are able to see what is registered.

When Audrey bought the car, the dealership registers the car before she would have picked it up. They do all the paperwork first, before pick up.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I’ve been obsessed with the car right from the start. Especially since AG was found in the garage, not elsewhere.
Did LE fully examine the car for tampering?

 

[Gina20]

Answering some questions above:
1. Yes, Audrey’s car would be registered with Service Ontario.
2. Yes, the employees are able to see what is registered.

When Audrey bought the car, the dealership registers the car before she would have picked it up. They do all the paperwork first, before pick up.

So let's say a "client" is interested in a late model white Camaro. These Service Ontario people could search using "white Camaro", then narrow it down to model years, pull addresses, and voila!

Let's say she went to Stoney Creek to register her vehicle. Someone there registering her vehicle could have taken her information on the spot and alerted others without even having to do a model search. How very convenient.

Do you think anyone will bother to look into where Audrey registered her vehicle and which customer service agent took her information? It would be interesting if this vehicle theft ring led to a murder investigation.

 

[Gina20]

So let's say a "client" is interested in a late model white Camaro. These Service Ontario people could search using "white Camaro", then narrow it down to model years, pull addresses, and voila!

Let's say she went to Stoney Creek to register her vehicle. Someone there registering her vehicle could have taken her information on the spot and alerted others without even having to do a model search. How very convenient.

Do you think anyone will bother to look into where Audrey registered her vehicle and which customer service agent took her information? It would be interesting if this vehicle theft ring led to a murder investigation.

I wonder if the car dealership where Audrey bought her Camaro uses the same Service Ontario outlet for all of its sold vehicles, and if they used the one in Stoney Creek that has been linked to the theft ring. I'm wondering how many thefts are new vehicles sold by that particular dealership. It seems to me that car thieves would want new vehicles, not old clunkers.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

AG herself would not have gone to register the vehicle. It’s the GM dealership who would have done that. Which dealership was the car purchased at? Did we ever know that?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Thé nearest GM dealerships to her are located in Hamilton. AG would not have bought a car on Kijiji would she? I can’t see her doing that.

 

[Gina20]

Thé nearest GM dealerships to her are located in Hamilton. AG would not have bought a car on Kijiji would she? I can’t see her doing that.

There is a GM dealer on Lynden Road in Brantford.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Do they sell Camaros? Not all GM dealerships sell them. Some sell Cadillacs while others sell ´Vettes and Camaros. Rarely both.

 

[Gina20]

Do they sell Camaros? Not all GM dealerships sell them. Some sell Cadillacs while others sell ´Vettes and Camaros. Rarely both.

We've never been able to find out where she bought her vehicle. Her friends and Jon Wells might have that answer.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

i googled the GM dealership on Lynden Road. They sell new Cadillacs and used Camaros. Was her car brand new when AG got it. Do we even know?