Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #10

[kiwi50]

It is so insane to imagine that a man who 'snapped', with no history of physical abuse, also had the temerity to strangle his wife then turn her arms inside out in her coat and attach her to the aluminium pool posts. THEN arrange his own suicide to look similar. It is outrageous and at least to me, a ridiculous proposition.

I agree, its outrageous and ridiculous to me too.
Not even sure if the poater who pushes this theory has said whether he thinks it premeditated or accidental.
If it was accidental I simply cant imagine Barry thinking, “ I need to turn this into an elaborate hoax so people dont think it was me, even though Im going to kill myself”
If premeditated, he could have come with something a lot simpler, and lived to enjoy life by himself.

 

[JDG]

Jumping from kiwis' post, Honey had recently been treated for throat cancer and although we don't know of her health status, that might have doomed her anyway.

Simply saying that BS had no real need of an elaborate plan to 'get rid' of her.

She was just entering her 8th decade, a bad time for ALL people getting cancers etc.

Nature being what it is, oodles of people don't get out of their 8th decade.

BS had more than enough information and access to *dispatch* anyone with a strong cup of coffee, IMO.

ETA: I think these murders were brutal, horrid, personal and for revenge.
Someone wanted them to suffer before dying. No accident here.

 

[ldlager]

I found one post where the alarm technician was at the Sherman home:
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #2

Thanks Lexi, I looked for about an hour yesterday, I’m glad you found it! I knew I recalled it from the early postings.

 

[MistyWaters]

This is the source of my post. I don't know anything about the friends.

There’s another slightly different version, apparently a call from a “friend”. As for the other story, why a reporter from the Globe would call Kerry’s lawyer is anyone’s guess. Excellent observation indeed, it appears the story was already to go.

Post #844 - July 20/18
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

My post
“.....snip from the Fifth Estate interview that I linked earlier, @ appx 20:35

.......“...Kerry Winter got a phone call he’ll never forget...from a friend. (KW) “He said oh they just found Barry and Honey’s body in the house and I just calmly said to him on the phone, I don’t believe it, he finally did it. I said he killed her....”

Reply by Kerry Winter:
The phone call came from my lawyer after receiving a call from a reporter at the Globe and Mail.

 

[ldlager]

There’s another slightly different version, apparently a call from a “friend”. As for the other story, why a reporter from the Globe would call Kerry’s lawyer is anyone’s guess. Excellent observation indeed, it appears the story was already to go.

Post #844 - July 20/18
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

My post
“.....snip from the Fifth Estate interview that I linked earlier, @ appx 20:35

.......“...Kerry Winter got a phone call he’ll never forget...from a friend. (KW) “He said oh they just found Barry and Honey’s body in the house and I just calmly said to him on the phone, I don’t believe it, he finally did it. I said he killed her....”

Reply by Kerry Winter:
The phone call came from my lawyer after receiving a call from a reporter at the Globe and Mail.

I think it would be reasonable that a globe reporter could have called kw’s lawyer for reaction, knowing that a judgement in the lawsuit had recently been announced. Imo

 

[MistyWaters]

I think it would be reasonable that a globe reporter could have called kw’s lawyer for reaction, knowing that a judgement in the lawsuit had recently been announced. Imo

Maybe but there’s no rationalizing his one-sided story other than it serves his m/s agenda.

If Daily Mail was his earliest interview, maybe another version still but the source of the infirmation has been selectively snipped.

Canadian tycoon Barry Sherman 'killed wife then himself' | Daily Mail Online
“Winter's own immediate reaction on learning of their deaths, he said was: 'F***ing hell he finally did it. Barry finally killed the b****.' ..”

 

[JDG]

I think it would be reasonable that a globe reporter could have called kw’s lawyer for reaction, knowing that a judgement in the lawsuit had recently been announced. Imo

I think ALL reporters were so busy confirming, then reporting the deaths, sending people out to Old Colony Road to get a scoop for their articles about the Shermans. It was a huge story!

Not sure they'd think of 'reaction' of a lawyer, KWs or otherwise when the story first broke.

Maybe within a few days/week. It was such shocking news and not your run of the mill double deaths at that point.

 

[William_60]

I think ALL reporters were so busy confirming, then reporting the deaths, sending people out to Old Colony Road to get a scoop for their articles about the Shermans. It was a huge story!

Not sure they'd think of 'reaction' of a lawyer, KWs or otherwise when the story first broke.

Maybe within a few days/week. It was such shocking news and not your run of the mill double deaths at that point.

Yessir. I'm thinking family and friends, colleagues first.

Actually, the very same connected people they'd call for someone of less stature.

 

[Tortoise]

There’s another slightly different version, apparently a call from a “friend”. As for the other story, why a reporter from the Globe would call Kerry’s lawyer is anyone’s guess. Excellent observation indeed, it appears the story was already to go.

Post #844 - July 20/18
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8

My post
“.....snip from the Fifth Estate interview that I linked earlier, @ appx 20:35

.......“...Kerry Winter got a phone call he’ll never forget...from a friend. (KW) “He said oh they just found Barry and Honey’s body in the house and I just calmly said to him on the phone, I don’t believe it, he finally did it. I said he killed her....”

Reply by Kerry Winter:
The phone call came from my lawyer after receiving a call from a reporter at the Globe and Mail.

It's interesting looking back to the first posts on this case as the news broke. It wasn't until the day after the discovery of their bodies (post #18) that detective Price said indications were that there were no outstanding suspects. Until that point the statement by Constable Hopkinson speaking outside the house on the 15th was that the deaths were being treated as suspicious. Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #1 The Globe and Mail report is in post #2.

The first thoughts posted here were about carbon monoxide poisoning. But in any case the conversation between KW and whoever was, according to him, before the news went viral. That was presumably before Constable Hopkinson even spoke to reporters.

What's interesting to me is that KW will now timestamp his apparent knowledge of Honey's murder to a point before any news was out about manners of death, even if his story about the arranged murder is true - and I have already posted my thoughts about that. I would argue none of this would be an immediate reaction upon learning of both their deaths - see my earlier post about the six possibilities. I would suggest (IMO) he knew Honey had injuries, Barry didn't have obvious injuries, and a story about Honey's arranged murder was concocted for the first person to contact him about the deaths. Only someone who had seen the bodies would say such a thing IMO. The person who spoke to KW, lawyer or friend, was not a police insider because KW was -according to him - receiving news of their deaths for the first time, and he was informing them that Barry 'finally did it', not the other way around.

MOO

 

[deugirtni]

It's interesting looking back to the first posts on this case as the news broke. It wasn't until the day after the discovery of their bodies (post #18) that detective Price said indications were that there were no outstanding suspects. Until that point the statement by Constable Hopkinson speaking outside the house on the 15th was that the deaths were being treated as suspicious. Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #1 The Globe and Mail report is in post #2.

The first thoughts posted here were about carbon monoxide poisoning. But in any case the conversation between KW and whoever was, according to him, before the news went viral. That was presumably before Constable Hopkinson even spoke to reporters.

What's interesting to me is that KW will now timestamp his apparent knowledge of Honey's murder to a point before any news was out about manners of death, even if his story about the arranged murder is true - and I have already posted my thoughts about that. I would argue none of this would be an immediate reaction upon learning of both their deaths - see my earlier post about the six possibilities. I would suggest (IMO) he knew Honey had injuries, Barry didn't have obvious injuries, and a story about Honey's arranged murder was concocted for the first person to contact him about the deaths. Only someone who had seen the bodies would say such a thing IMO. The person who spoke to KW, lawyer or friend, was not a police insider because KW was -according to him - receiving news of their deaths for the first time, and he was informing them that Barry 'finally did it', not the other way around.

MOO

Det Price said that on the day the bodies were discovered (Dec 15):

Police said later Friday evening that they are not currently seeking any suspects but are keeping an open mind on all possibilities.

“We did not observe any signs of forced entry into the building and so at this point indications are that we have no outstanding suspect to be going after,”‘ Det. Brandon Price told reporters.

“We will be getting a lot more answers tomorrow (Saturday) following the post-mortem examinations.”

Article Last Updated Dec 15, 2017 at 11:27 pm EST

2 found dead in Toronto home of Apotex chairman Barry Sherman

 

[MistyWaters]

Det Price said that on the day the bodies were discovered (Dec 15):

Police said later Friday evening that they are not currently seeking any suspects but are keeping an open mind on all possibilities.

“We did not observe any signs of forced entry into the building and so at this point indications are that we have no outstanding suspect to be going after,”‘ Det. Brandon Price told reporters.

“We will be getting a lot more answers tomorrow (Saturday) following the post-mortem examinations.”

Article Last Updated Dec 15, 2017 at 11:27 pm EST

2 found dead in Toronto home of Apotex chairman Barry Sherman

Canadian tycoon Barry Sherman 'killed wife then himself' | Daily Mail Online
There’s a 3:39 minute video on this link but I’m unable to embed it here.

Kerry does states the call was from his lawyer and it was in the early afternoon.

Only the identity of the two victims had been revealed through Twitter around that time.

One of the earliest media reports:
Apotex billionaire Barry Sherman and his wife Honey found dead | The Star

ETA: IIRC this was the tweet disclosing only the names (1:30 pm).
Twitter

 

[William_60]

Have to say I like the original posts of the case being re-examined. One negative for me is the discovery that some very good posters have not stayed the course and remained active on this case to this day.

So while wondering today what happened to the proceeds from the sale of Empire Laboratories, I went to Wiki and found this:


The Empire Group of Companies was purchased by Louis Winter's nephew Bernard (Barry) Sherman on August 23, 1967, in conjunction with his high school friend, Joel Ulster. To facilitate the corporate acquisition, Barry and Joel Ulster (Sherman and Ulster Limited) offered five percent equity options to each of the four children and a fifteen year royalty on four of its patented products.[3]Litigation is currently before the courts [4]concerning the purchase of the corporate assets and brands from the Winter children's estate, as Sherman and his partner never paid the royalties nor provided the promised equity in the businesses.[5] The Executor, Royal Trust, now a division of Royal Bank of Canada (RBC), processed this transaction on behalf of the infant beneficiaries of Beverley and Louis Winter. Barry Sherman would eventually launch Apotex Inc. in 1974.

First time seeing this condition of sale.

Can anyone shed some light for me?

 

[MistyWaters]

Have to say I like the original posts of the case being re-examined. One negative for me is the discovery that some very good posters have not stayed the course and remained active on this case to this day.

So while wondering today what happened to the proceeds from the sale of Empire Laboratories, I went to Wiki and found this:


The Empire Group of Companies was purchased by Louis Winter's nephew Bernard (Barry) Sherman on August 23, 1967, in conjunction with his high school friend, Joel Ulster. To facilitate the corporate acquisition, Barry and Joel Ulster (Sherman and Ulster Limited) offered five percent equity options to each of the four children and a fifteen year royalty on four of its patented products.[3]Litigation is currently before the courts [4]concerning the purchase of the corporate assets and brands from the Winter children's estate, as Sherman and his partner never paid the royalties nor provided the promised equity in the businesses.[5] The Executor, Royal Trust, now a division of Royal Bank of Canada (RBC), processed this transaction on behalf of the infant beneficiaries of Beverley and Louis Winter. Barry Sherman would eventually launch Apotex Inc. in 1974.

First time seeing this condition of sale.

Can anyone shed some light for me?

You’ve not provided the wiki link, but [3] refers to the source listed on the bottom of the webpage.

If you’re interested in the lawsuit, you can read prior lengthy judicial decisions on Canlii (Canadian Legal Information Institute). You’ll find two separate lawsuits, the earlier against Royal Trust, the more recent Barry Sherman, each dismissed, each appeal not upheld.
CanLII - Canadian Legal Information Institute

During the legal proceedings it was established the all Empire patents were sold by Empire in 1971 and the judge ruled the 20% option became “null and void” with the sale. But I don’t recall any mention of a royalty agreement, nor has it ever been mentioned by MSM in more recent court proceedings.

 

[William_60]

Here's the link to the Wiki page:

Empire Laboratories - Wikipedia

 

[deugirtni]

I had read that at one time too. IIRC the description seemed to be written with a slant to it, towards the orphans. Anyone can post to wiki, as far as I understand it... although I believe that anyone can also correct things. I would go by the court docs that MistyWaters has posted.

 

[MistyWaters]

This might be the source, below. How I read it, upon the sale of Empire by Royal Trust (Trustee of the Winter Estate) they negotiated a 15 year royalty with Barry Sherman for the four genetic drugs. So Barry Sherman was required to pay either Royal Trust (again, on behalf of the Winter Estate) a percentage of the generic drug sales or a percentage was required to be paid to the original Brand name of the drug because that agreement was already in place. It doesn’t say but the terms may well have been passed to the purchasing company, when Empire was sold in about 1972.

But only #2 relates to the option. Even by definition, the word “option” is....well, an option is concluded only when both parties agree to fulfill it (ie optional as opposed to mandatory). That seems quite straightforward to me.

“Empire Laboratories Ltd., was one of four pharmaceutical companies founded by Louis Winter, whose businesses were sold by Royal Trust to his nephew Barry Sherman in October 1967. To complete the deal, two agreements were in the final sales contract: (1) a 15-year royalty agreement for four chemical processes; and (2) an option for the children to become full-time employees after the age of 21 or following completion of their formal education, and a further option for each child to be given the opportunity to purchase a 5% interest after being employees for two years.”
Orphans Fight RBC's Royal Trust and Apotex's Barry Sherman in Canada's Largest Lawsuits

 

[human]

Maybe they can still become employees.

Do they need background checks to work in the drug industry?

 

[ldlager]

Yessir. I'm thinking family and friends, colleagues first.

Actually, the very same connected people they'd call for someone of less stature.

Well we know that the police weren’t contacting the family.....

 

[dotr]

Iirc, HS drove a Lexus, which happens to be one of the favoured cars to steal.
Thinking the perp/s could have used similar methods to enter the car and house and a type of protective clothing worn. fwiw, imo.
For example..
Auto theft on the rise in Toronto area, and a security expert thinks he knows why | CBC News
Dec 4 2018
"Thieves boosting signal from key fobs inside your home to steal vehicles, automotive security specialist says

Oakville, Ont., resident Sebastian Bielawski caught his alleged car thief on-camera. He holds a device, which may have been used to amplify the signal coming from Bielawski's car fob, placed near the front door. (Halton Regional Police/Facebook)

"According to Markham automotive security specialist Jeff Bates, owner of Lockdown Security, wireless key fobs have a role to play in many recent car thefts, with thieves intercepting and rerouting their signals — even from inside homes — to open and steal cars."

"Bates said the spike is so great, a local Toronto car dealership selling new Lexus vehicles asked his company to install tracking systems on all high-end SUVs because so many of their vehicles are being stolen."
"Key fobs are constantly broadcasting a signal that communicates with a specific vehicle, he said, and when it comes into a close enough range, the vehicle will open and start."

The thief will bring a device close to the home's door, close to where most keys are sitting, to boost the fob's signal.

They leave another device near the vehicle, which receives the signal and opens the car."

 

[William_60]

Sorry if already posted, but this answers the question I started the day with, namely - what happened to the proceeds from the sale of Empire Laboratories?

The boys were entitled to $330,000 each from the sale of their father’s company, Empire Laboratories, but their adoptive parents spent most of the money. Whatever little that was left of it was spent by the boys when they came of age.

An excerpt taken from:

Barry Sherman’s Children: Facts to Know about Barry Sherman's Family

Why am I looking back at the Empire sale and its proceeds? Well, Kerry's level of anger has seemed over the top and misplaced.

If this is in fact what went down with the proceeds, the level of anger - perhaps not so much the object of it - is easier to understand.