Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #10

[deugirtni]

2017 rbbm
How Barry Sherman built his multibillion-dollar fortune

"Kerry Winter admits that for many years Sherman was “like a surrogate dad and I was like an adopted son.” Now, perhaps because he feels most betrayed, he leads his family litigation and, going against his legal advice, feeds stories to the press."

"Later, when I spoke with Rockcliffe, he complained that the reporter had omitted a crucial qualifier: “Perhaps if I’d had their terrible start in life, I’d think differently.” Rockcliffe has his own reason to dislike what he calls “Barry’s cold heart.” Forty-three years ago, when they shared a limo at Beverley’s funeral, Rockcliffe said it would be a shame if the Orphan Children were adopted separately. Sherman’s reply, he claims, was, “So what? Worse things could happen.” Rockcliffe says he can’t forgive him."
"Will Barry settle? Not likely. He’s a lion, a stranger to the notion of compromise."

In all seriousness... why the HAY would B have even *considered* 'compromising'???? What was to compromise? There was nothing to settle. People end up settling because they don't have the money to pursue their defense. That totally irks me, but I completely understand the lack of options, considering the cost of legal representation. In many cases, the gains may not be worth the legal costs, and with no guarantee of the outcome. But in B's case, he did have the funds to defend himself, and he was only defending some one billion dollars, and so why *wouldn't* he continue to pursue his side? It's like people just expected B to roll over and let everyone dig in with their forks, merely because he was so wealthy and it would only be a drop in the bucket. And then we accuse B of having no principles and ethics and morals when he does the opposite and sticks to his principles. Interesting the journalist would express her opinion and write such a thing, considering it wasn't her own money or principles at stake.

 

[dotr]

Must have missed this bit, but it seems that HS's sister also thought of BS as a surrogate father.
Wondering what MS thinks the next " worst to come" thing could be?
imo.
Mourners gather to pay tribute to billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman | The Guardian
"Honey Sherman's sister, Mary Shechtman, said she's been in a fog since the loss.

Describing her sister as her "best friend" and "other half," and Barry Sherman as both a brother-in-law and surrogate father, Shechtman said she fears the worst is yet to come."

 

[William_60]

Looking back at older threads, from May.

(I'm not going to go back and post about stuff from months ago after this one; it could annoy or promote yawns.)

Anyway, I would welcome an opinion from an expert in domestic violence.

Multiple posters in May were adamant it's a domestic violence case that ended with M-S.

Claims were made the couple didn't get along or hadn't in a long time.

I'm no expert but I understood that typically the level of violence between a couple where abuse is present, escalates over time.

I am aware of no reports of domestic violence in the Sherman household, ever.

If there was no previous incident or incidents, I have strong doubt a quantum leap was made from frustration or anger - all marriages have some - to murder.

 

[MistyWaters]

Must have missed this bit, but it seems that HS's sister also thought of BS as a surrogate father.
Wondering what MS thinks the next " worst to come" thing could be?
imo.
Mourners gather to pay tribute to billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman | The Guardian
"Honey Sherman's sister, Mary Shechtman, said she's been in a fog since the loss.

Describing her sister as her "best friend" and "other half," and Barry Sherman as both a brother-in-law and surrogate father, Shechtman said she fears the worst is yet to come."

Honey’s sister’s eulogy at the memorial was quite lengthy and highly emotional. She was clearly heartbroken over the loss of both of them, in a state of raw grief. Yet her words were thoughtful, eloquent and well spoken, overall an extremely profound and moving tribute to her sister and brother-in-law imo. The memorial was 2 1/2 hrs long and if anyone’s interested in her words in their entirety, it can be found here:
(Starts just after the 1st hour @1:00:00.)
CityNews Toronto

 

[human]

Barry was very competive. Did he run marathons? Did he lift weights?

Probably not.

Why would he do such a strenuous killing when he could comfortably have a nice toxic cocktail. He and Honey could be comfy instead of all of that exertion of a 75 year old oit of shape man with his not so light weight wife.

 

[MistyWaters]

Barry was very competive. Did he run marathons? Did he lift weights?

Probably not.

Why would he do such a strenuous killing when he could comfortably have a nice toxic cocktail. He and Honey could be comfy instead of all of that exertion of a 75 year old oit of shape man with his not so light weight wife.

I’m thinking maybe we’ve been lured once again into the impossible feat of attempting to prove a negative.

But considering the Sherman deaths were officially deemed to have been a result of a targeted double homicide, that fact alone disproves m/s.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Looking back at older threads, from May.

(I'm not going to go back and post about stuff from months ago after this one; it could annoy or promote yawns.)

Anyway, I would welcome an opinion from an expert in domestic violence.

Multiple posters in May were adamant it's a domestic violence case that ended with M-S.

Claims were made the couple didn't get along or hadn't in a long time.

I'm no expert but I understood that typically the level of violence between a couple where abuse is present, escalates over time.

I am aware of no reports of domestic violence in the Sherman household, ever.

If there was no previous incident or incidents, I have strong doubt a quantum leap was made from frustration or anger - all marriages have some - to murder.

WS member @Grey-St is very knowledgeable on the topic. @Alice Ramnit as well.

 

[ldlager]

What are the chances that the culprit(s) is/are on the hours of video (surveillance) footage the police are reviewing?

In Toronto at this time of year it’s dark by 5pm. I’m not sure how good these sorts of cameras are at picking up images when it’s dark outside, but it’s possible that LE got very little from any videos in the area.

 

[ldlager]

I'm confident it's been stated in the media, there was no security system on the home. No alarms, no cameras. Hard to believe. I think police were very shocked.

I wonder if the attacker(s) knew this, and one reason for the attack was because the house might sell and any new place they lived in would have security.

Not to disagree with Satchie. But I do recall in the early days after the bodies were discovered that msm reported that a technician from the home alarm/security company was at the house and was assisting police with obtainingdata etc. from the alarm or security system. Perhaps this was the pool video system or a house security system, I do not think that was ever finalized. But definitely there were reports and postings on this thread regarding the alarm technician being at the house.

 

[JDG]

Most of the security cameras have night vision that is pretty good.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Not to disagree with Satchie. But I do recall in the early days after the bodies were discovered that msm reported that a technician from the home alarm/security company was at the house and was assisting police with obtainingdata etc. from the alarm or security system. Perhaps this was the pool video system or a house security system, I do not think that was ever finalized. But definitely there were reports and postings on this thread regarding the alarm technician being at the house.

I missed that. Does anyone else know where to find that link? I’ll try to find it as well.

 

[ldlager]

I’d be disappointed if Jack Kay was asked to leave the way it was suggested in the Star story.

Jack Kay deserves much better than this. He didn’t need to come back and help, but he felt it was his duty to the employees, to Barry, and to Apotex. I know that for a fact. I hope he now starts to enjoy his life.

 

[ldlager]

When Barry was in full control of Apotex I could see somebody maybe wanting to take him out. Why wait for someone to, for all intense purposes, retire? And ask yourself, has anybody actually benefitted from Barry's death, aside from his kids?

Andrew, you have identified exactly who has benefitted at least financially, from Barry and honeys deaths.

 

[ldlager]

Just the other day I read where Honey is believed to have been attacked at the front door entry area. No idea where link is.

We have known that Honey had a pool of blood around her at the swimming pool where she was found.

Were dogs used to track in the house to find where the attacks took place, where the blood trail for Honey started?

From pictures I have seen, the main floor was hard surface- marble or tile. Any blood could have been cleaned up in those areas by the killers. I have little faith that tps employed any such means.

 

[ldlager]

This is a key and valid point if we're to have a clear understanding of Barry Sherman.

The money was lent, but at a point well before the sum reached eight million, Sherman had to know the money would not be coming back.

According to Mr. Campbell's in-depth article in Bloomberg Businessweek, Frank D'Angelo owes Sherman 100 M.

Logically, we can assume those loans would never have been called in.

Sued by the boys and no doubt upset about it, Sherman called in the loans.

And he may have called FD’s loans also.

 

[William_60]

And he may have called FD’s loans also.

Really? Interesting take. What's this based on?

 

[ldlager]

I’m thinking maybe we’ve been lured once again into the impossible feat of attempting to prove a negative.

But considering the Sherman deaths were officially deemed to have been a result of a targeted double homicide, that fact alone disproves m/s.

Whoa...... what fact? Just because TPS holds a press conference doesn’t make it a fact. Imo anyways.

 

[deugirtni]

Must have missed this bit, but it seems that HS's sister also thought of BS as a surrogate father.
Wondering what MS thinks the next " worst to come" thing could be?
imo.
Mourners gather to pay tribute to billionaire couple Barry and Honey Sherman | The Guardian
"Honey Sherman's sister, Mary Shechtman, said she's been in a fog since the loss.

Describing her sister as her "best friend" and "other half," and Barry Sherman as both a brother-in-law and surrogate father, Shechtman said she fears the worst is yet to come."

After re-reading this piece dotr, I get the impression that what she meant was that she was in so much pain due to their loss, but that at the same time, she was also dazed and in a fog - she fears that once the daze and fog are gone, she will be faced with dealing with even more acute pain, rather than less, as time goes on. jmo.

 

[ldlager]

I missed that. Does anyone else know where to find that link? I’ll try to find it as well.

It would be waaaaaay back somewhere. I will look also after some sleep!

 

[ldlager]

Really? Interesting take. What's this based on?

If he called his cousins loans surely he could have also called Mr. D’Angelos loans. He did it previously with the FD brewery....