Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #10

[William_60]

If he called his cousins loans surely he could have also called Mr. D’Angelos loans. He did it previously with the FD brewery....

He called in his estranged cousins' loans after they basically stabbed him in the back with a lawsuit of such magnitude one can only conclude it was only designed to attempt to annoy and embarrass.

Not aware of his good friend Frank D'Angelo doing anything of a sort to The Shermans.

 

[human]

My friend has caneras in his properties and there is no light and we are so far from civilization that it is really dark.

He has cameras because he has had burglaries. He showed me a picture taken by his camera at 2 am. It captures the burglar perfectly, but in black and white, The guy had a big head piece mask so no identification. But the picture was clear

 

[andreww]

But considering the Sherman deaths were officially deemed to have been a result of a targeted double homicide, that fact alone disproves m/s.

By that logic, Wayne Millards death being deemed a suicide should have disproved any notion that it was a murder. Nonsense.

 

[ldlager]

He called in his estranged cousins' loans after they basically stabbed him in the back with a lawsuit of such magnitude one can only conclude it was only designed to attempt to annoy and embarrass.

Not aware of his good friend Frank D'Angelo doing anything of a sort to The Shermans.

Nonetheless Barry did call the fed loan previously and did take over the business, without any known provocation or personal attack from mr d’angelo.

 

[andreww]

If he called his cousins loans surely he could have also called Mr. D’Angelos loans. He did it previously with the FD brewery....

Sure he could. Barry never gave money out of the goodness of his heart. Even his charitable donations had strings attached. Giving money to people like the Winters and FDA, money that they seemingly had no way of paying back, and calling them loans, seems to be a way that Barry kept those close to him under his thumb. FDA calls Barry his best friend, and I can see why, but if it wasn't for the money would the two of them even speak to each other? Almost sad how money can complicate one's life.

 

[andreww]

Nonetheless Barry did call the fed loan previously and did take over the business, without any known provocation or personal attack from mr d’angelo.

I wouldn't doubt that the brewery takeover was more of a bailout for FDA who was likely in over his head.

 

[MistyWaters]

By that logic, Wayne Millards death being deemed a suicide should have disproved any notion that it was a murder. Nonsense.

WMs death wasn’t investigated because the killer provided reasons for suicide - alcoholism, depression, financial issues. What’s the similarity to this case?

 

[MistyWaters]

My friend has caneras in his properties and there is no light and we are so far from civilization that it is really dark.

He has cameras because he has had burglaries. He showed me a picture taken by his camera at 2 am. It captures the burglar perfectly, but in black and white, The guy had a big head piece mask so no identification. But the picture was clear

Yes that’s what I’m thinking too, just because there might’ve been video doesn’t mean it led to identification. By police indicating the Shermans were targeted, that suggests the homicides were planned in advance, that it wasn’t a matter of a perp dropping by for a friendly evening visit that suddenly turned violent. I recall one case where the male perp was disguised to look like an old woman hobbling down the street. I’ve fleetingly wondered about the killer impersonating a police officer. If so, LE would be reluctant in releasing it, seeking tips from the public.

On the topic of Shermans home security, some security systems are alarmed to warn against break-ins and set by the homeowner mainly when nobodies home or after they go to bed at night. No cameras.

 

[MistyWaters]

By that logic, Wayne Millards death being deemed a suicide should have disproved any notion that it was a murder. Nonsense.

All it proves is suicides that aren’t adequately investigated might actually be homicides.

Flip back a few years and just imagine a hypothetical scenario if WMs murder had been determined at the onset, of DM posting here on WS trying to convince us of all the reasons his father’s death was due to suicide. Following his trial and learning of the evidence, would that be reason enough for us to believe he was wrongfully convicted, just because he claimed his father was a depressed alcoholic? I don’t think so!

Therefore if the two cases are to be compared, as we don’t have access to the Shermans autopsy and investigative file that determined their deaths were indeed the result of a double homicide, I might ask who or what are you pre-defending?

 

[deugirtni]

Sure he could. Barry never gave money out of the goodness of his heart. Even his charitable donations had strings attached. Giving money to people like the Winters and FDA, money that they seemingly had no way of paying back, and calling them loans, seems to be a way that Barry kept those close to him under his thumb. FDA calls Barry his best friend, and I can see why, but if it wasn't for the money would the two of them even speak to each other? Almost sad how money can complicate one's life.

Do you know anything at all about business?

 

[MistyWaters]

This vicious and descriptive comment Kerry made during the 5th Estate documentary, really bizarre imo, to admit having fantasized over murdering the person who later becomes the victim of homicide....

BBM

In a wide-ranging interview with The Fifth Estate, Winter said he told his psychiatrist that in the past, he had fantasized about murdering Barry Sherman.

"I would talk about killing Barry, and it was very graphic," Winter said. "He would come out of the parking lot of Apotex, and I'd be hiding behind a car, and I'd just decapitate him. I wanted to roll his head down the parking lot, and I'd sit there and wait for the police."...”
Barry Sherman's cousin fails lie detector test over allegation of plot to kill Honey Sherman | CBC News

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While there’s nothing to indicate Kerry’s involvement in the Sherman murders aside from being a self-declared suspect, but if his comment is true it indicates there was at least one past threat made to Barry’s life, date unknown. Did the psychiatrist report the threat to police at the time, I wonder? Was Barry informed his cousin was sitting in a psychiatrists office talking about killing him? We don’t know.

Just out of curiosity as a side topic, below was really all I could find regarding what occurs if a psychiatrist believes a patient poses a danger to another person, and interesting to note there are some limits to confidentiality.

Do psychiatrists have a duty to warn? If they believe patient will harm, yes
“It is spelled out in a policy paper from the Canadian Psychiatric Association entitled The Duty to Protect. It can be read here:

The association interprets the Supreme Court ruling to mean that doctors do have a duty to disclose information they've been told by patients if they believe those patients pose a danger. And it tells members to warn patients that there are limits to confidentiality.

The association notes the Supreme Court did not stipulate exactly how medical professionals should discharge their duty to protect, but says the steps could include detaining a patient believed to be dangerous, treating that patient or breaching confidentiality by informing the police or the intended target of the violence.”

 

[William_60]

Nonetheless Barry did call the fed loan previously and did take over the business, without any known provocation or personal attack from mr d’angelo.

Exactly, no provocation because Steelback was just another failing business that needed saving; much like Empire Labs.

From Wiki:

Citing poor revenue, high marketing costs and the weak Canadian dollar, both the brewery and D'Angelo Brands filed for protection from creditors. Court documents show that Barry Sherman's Wasanda Enterprises Inc. was owed $101,619,464.20.[7][8]

On November 1, 2007, D'Angelo sold his majority stake in Steelback Brewery to Jonathon Sherman (son of Barry). D'Angelo remained as chairman of the company with a minority interest.[9][10] Later in the month, the insolvent company was granted court protection from its creditors.[11]

 

[andreww]

WMs death wasn’t investigated because the killer provided reasons for suicide - alcoholism, depression, financial issues. What’s the similarity to this case?

Of course it was investigated. The police were on scene to investigate and the coroner examined the body as well. They just made the wrong decision. You honestly think the decision to rule that a suicide was based on Dellen Millard's statement alone? If you do, then it is obvious to me that police can be swayed in to the wrong decision based on what the family says, and we all know how the Sherman family felt about this case.

 

[William_60]

Sure he could. Even his charitable donations had strings attached. Giving money to people like the Winters and FDA, money that they seemingly had no way of paying back, and calling them loans, seems to be a way that Barry kept those close to him under his thumb. FDA calls Barry his best friend, and I can see why, but if it wasn't for the money would the two of them even speak to each other? Almost sad how money can complicate one's life.

How do you know this?

Barry never gave money out of the goodness of his heart.

With this stuff, Kerry doesn't need to post.

 

[andreww]

Do you know anything at all about business?

It's no coincidence that FDA's failing brewery ended up in Barry's hands. When a business is failing it will usually be snapped up by a competitor at fraction of its value. Barry was likely to never see a penny from FDA, so he just took the company and tried to make it work.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Delete please

 

[andreww]

How do you know this?

Barry never gave money out of the goodness of his heart.

With this stuff, Kerry doesn't need to post.

Read the Macleans article. Barry's large donations to universities and hospitals came with strings attached, namely that those institution would lobby their political connections for legislation that would be beneficial to Apotex. There are examples of Barry pulling funding due to unsuccessful lobbying.

 

[andreww]

If you’re both in contact by text, you could have sent the above messages easily by text as well: not on a public message board. The purpose of posting this is to inform the reader of your connection.

My guess is that it was done so that @andreww could be endorsed as Kerry Winter’s spokesperson of sorts.

I think it’s fair to ask that Andreww should be verified and vetted as an insider, and quoting Kerry Winter should only be done by using a MSM source.

This is a brutal double-homicide case. Kerry Winter has confirmed he is a viable suspect. Anything Kerry Winter says might be used against him one day.

He has a litigation guardian appointed by the court based on his mental health issues, and his antics following the Sherman murders. If the guardian were to be identified and speak on his behalf, that would be credible.

Think what you please. I know for a fact that some people here believed I was Kerry Winter four a period of time. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Bottom line, If Kerry was on here saying that this was definitely a double murder, your opinion of him would be completely different. You don't like his viewpoint, so you don't like him. I get it.

 

[dotr]

random questions.
What are the chances someone stole Honey's will, made "adjustments" to it, then returned it to a hiding place to eventually be located?

Would the culprit/s actually plan a murder to take place at a time when it would be convenient ( holidays) for them to also attend the funeral?

 

[William_60]

Andreww wrote:

"Read the Macleans article. Barry's large donations to universities and hospitals came with strings attached, namely that those institution would lobby their political connections for legislation that would be beneficial to Apotex. There are examples of Barry pulling funding due to unsuccessful lobbying."

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I did, and in fact, have already posted that Barry both gave knowing there would be a benefit to him, his family, or his business, and also gave without promise or guarantee of return.