Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #11

[dotr]

Excerpt, interesting:
During the Star's interviews on Old Colony Rd. over the last two weeks, one other neighbour added an additional piece of information. That six weeks following the Shermans bodies being discovered, a Toronto Police Service detective showed up at his door to ask questions. "His business card said he was from the 'cold case squad'," the man told the Star.

Just about to post the same thing about the cold case detective, very interesting indeed!

 

[deugirtni]

Dec 13, 2017 was the Wednesday. From your link:

BBM
“The officer who showed up at the homeowners' house on Sunday took a copy of Wednesday to Friday video, and returned later to get the Monday and Tuesday portions of the video. The Star does not know what is on the Wednesday video because the homeowners never thought to view it. In their minds, the day before the bodies were discovered was the relevant time period - (ie Thursday). The Wednesday is a key time because that is the night the Shermans came home separately from a meeting — Honey is believed to have arrived home around 7:30 p.m. and Barry around 9 p.m. His last email was from his desk computer at Apotex at 8:13 p.m. that night.“

I'm unclear on the point you are making?

 

[dotr]

Wondering if pics of these people could be shown perhaps with faces blurred so that they can step forward and be cleared?...
29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor?
"At 9:11 a.m. a dark-coloured four door sedan driving west on Old Colony Rd. stops and parks immediately in front of the Sherman house. It does not drive into the circular driveway. Three minutes after the car is parked a man gets out and at 9:14 a.m. he walks to the Sherman house and enters through the front door. He remains in the house for 12 minutes.


At 9:26 a.m., the man emerges from the house, walks back to his car and gets in. He remains in the car for just under 11 minutes, then gets out of his car and walks back to the house and enters through the front door at 9:37 a.m. This time he remains in the house for eight minutes.

At 9:45 a.m., the man walks back to his car. This time he stays in his car for about 21 minutes, and walks back to the house and enters through the front door at 10:06 a.m. He remains in the house for nine minutes, then emerges and gets into his car and drives slowly west towards Bayview Ave. at 10:16 a.m."
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"Six weeks after police obtained a copy of the homeowners' video, a police detective from the homicide squad made an appointment to speak to the homeowners and came to their house on Jan. 25, 2018. The detective brought with her two photos, one showing a couple walking a dog and the other a lone woman. These photos (pictured with this story) were shown to the homeowners with no explanation, except that they were taken from other security cameras in the area.

The homeowners did not recognize the individual in either photo, but they did remark that on Monday, Dec. 11, in the early evening hours, they had noticed a man and a women they did not recognize walking on the street. The homeowners videotape from the Monday, which was turned over to police and private detectives, apparently does show a man and a women (woman is wearing a long coat and the man is tall) entering the Sherman home at 8:20 p.m. that Monday. The homeowners could not say if this was a different couple than the couple in the photo shown by the detective.

There is no suggestion that the people in the two photos were involved in the slaying"

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm unclear on the point you are making?

We don’t know if the security video reveals one or more murder suspects as they came or went sometime around the evening of the 13th.

 

[deugirtni]

We don’t know if the security video reveals one or more murder suspects as they came or went sometime around the evening of the 13th.

Yes, crazy huh??? Can you imagine NOT looking at the days prior?? (Not to mention the perceived day OF????????) I wonder if they made copies of their recordings before handing them over, I suspect not? (But then how did the PI team get their hands on the one??)

 

[MistyWaters]

Just about to post the same thing about the cold case detective, very interesting indeed!

When Idsinga was interviewed awhile ago I recall him mentioning homicide work is fluid, that detectives do not just work on one case and their assignments are in contact motion depending on resourcing needs on a case by case basis.

It has also been mentioned that more resources have been devoted to the Sherman case than any other investigation in TPS history.

Therefore early on, if a detective was temporarily taken from Cold Case homicide assignments to work on the Sherman case, to me that’s would seem a reasonable explanation. No need for new business cards to be printed.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, crazy huh??? Can you imagine NOT looking at the days prior?? (Not to mention the perceived day OF????????) I wonder if they made copies of their recordings before handing them over, I suspect not? (But then how did the PI team get their hands on the one??)

I look at this leak not as a neighbour blabbing but a intentional orchestrated leak from TPS for a very specific reason that the general public can not possibly guess because we’re not privy to the progress of the investigation, But that’s just the way I see things. I also don’t believe everything Donovan writes as I think most of his scandalous allegations are merely attention getting, to create interest in his future book. JMO

 

[deugirtni]

I look at this leak not as a neighbour blabbing but a intentional orchestrated leak from TPS for a very specific reason that the general public can not possibly guess because we’re not privy to the progress of the investigation, But that’s just the way I see things. I also don’t believe everything Donovan writes as I think most of his scandalous allegations are merely attention getting, to create interest in his future book. JMO

Sometimes I fear we give too much credit to TPS.

 

[casesensitive]

I look at this leak not as a neighbour blabbing but a intentional orchestrated leak from TPS for a very specific reason that the general public can not possibly guess because we’re not privy to the progress of the investigation, But that’s just the way I see things. I also don’t believe everything Donovan writes as I think most of his scandalous allegations are merely attention getting, to create interest in his future book. JMO

I don't think TPS had anything to do with an intentional leak of this video evidence to the Star.

Donovan made it clear, that despite attempting to interview Det. Insp. Idsinga for the past month, his request has been turned down. LE are still not speaking to the media, and refuse to answer any of Donovan's specific questions. They are not leaking anything imo.

If LE asked The Star to leak this new video evidence, I don't think Donovan would have included all of the apparent shortcomings of the TPS investigation. It is not a complimentary article...he bashed them.

Donovan stated that the Star has been conducting interviews on Old Colony Road over the past two weeks. This may be how they lucked onto the unheard of CCTV evidence supplied by a homeowner.

I would tend to believe that Greenspan gave the tape to Donovan, before I would believe that TPS did.

 

[MistyWaters]

Sometimes I fear we give too much credit to TPS.

Yes maybe but TPS isn’t in the selling news for profit business. I always think both sides of the story must be heard before judgements are cast and so far it’s a lot of one sided allegations. And as with any large organization, I’m sure TPS has excellent and outstanding officers and a few not so good.

We get frustrated when there’s no news. But here in Canada we know all too well that no police force gives the public investigative update reports prior to an arrest being made. However these little leaks of information are very interesting and an important indication TPS has far more evidence than we’re aware of and are still working on the case. IMO that’s what’s most important.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't think TPS had anything to do with an intentional leak of this video evidence to the Star.

Donovan made it clear, that despite attempting to interview Det. Insp. Idsinga for the past month, his request has been turned down. LE are still not speaking to the media, and refuse to answer any of Donovan's specific questions. They are not leaking anything imo.

If LE asked The Star to leak this new video evidence, I don't think Donovan would have included all of the apparent shortcomings of the TPS investigation. It is not a complimentary article...he bashed them.

Donovan stated that the Star has been conducting interviews on Old Colony Road over the past two weeks. This may be how they lucked onto the unheard of CCTV evidence supplied by a homeowner.

I would tend to believe that Greenspan gave the tape to Donovan, before I would believe that TPS did.

I can’t recall one other homicide case where a reporter successfully “demanded” to interview a homicide detective let alone the head of the homicide unit. Can you? He’s living in dreamland if he thinks that’s going to occur IMO

When LE choose to give the public updates they hold press conferences and all MSM are invited to attend.

This is not Donovan’s story to tell and solving the Sherman homicide is not TPS versus The Star, even though it appears Donovan would like it to appear as such.

 

[casesensitive]

I can’t recall one other homicide case where a reporter successfully “demanded” to interview a homicide detective let alone the head of the homicide unit. Can you? He’s living in dreamland if he thinks that’s going to occur IMO



When LE choose to give the public updates they hold press conferences and all MSM are invited to attend.

This is not Donovan’s story to tell and solving the Sherman homicide is not TPS versus The Star, even though it appears Donovan would like it to appear as such.

Who said Donovan "demanded" an interview?

Why wouldn't the head of a homicide unit be the person who is entrusted to formally speak on a case to media?

Many police forces will respond to media questions without holding press conferences. (Obviously, they don't give out hold-back info that could jeopardise the case).

Most police forces will give updates on the anniversaries of the murders, even if their statement is to merely assure the public that they are still working diligently on the case.

Say what you will about Donovan, but without his efforts we would have nothing to discuss.

 

[MistyWaters]

Who said Donovan "demanded" an interview?

Why wouldn't the head of a homicide unit be the person who is entrusted to formally speak on a case to media?

Many police forces will respond to media questions without holding press conferences. (Obviously, they don't give out hold-back info that could jeopardise the case).

Most police forces will give updates on the anniversaries of the murders, even if their statement is to merely assure the public that they are still working diligently on the case.

Say what you will about Donovan, but without his efforts we would have nothing to discuss.

And can I ask if you’re Canadian? Because I haven’t noticed ANY Cdn police forces provide annual updates. ???.. Or if you’re thinking of US cases as Sheriff’s are elected officials there’s significant differences between policing in the two countries. Apples and oranges.

 

[casesensitive]

I am Canadian and have followed many cases. The "anniversary" police releases are used to bring the unsolved cases to the public's attention and to ask for tips. Although LE has never asked for tips in the Sherman case, it is normal for reporters to ask for a statement before they run articles on the anniversary.

With the initial six week investigation being strongly criticised in the media, I would think that TPS would realize that a good public relations effort would be beneficial for their image, and public confidence in them. Something as simple as noting they are fully dedicated and working hard..in place of stone silence. JMO

 

[ldlager]

LE stated early on there was “no forced entry” and that became the basis for some that M/S occurred as it was widely construed to indicate nobody else entered the home. Our WS VI, Kerry Winter, also made this same point several times IIRC.

Although it appears by Dec 14th both Shermans were already dead, this video proves someone entered the home prior to LE being alerted by the 911 call on Dec 15th, regardless of who the man is.

That’s a significance point of this leak IMO > There was entry to the residence.

It has always been assumed that they were killed on the 13th at night. But maybe they were alive on Dec 14,I don’t think we know.

 

[PostTruth]

Strange that the car reported in Donovan’s story today didn’t park on the driveway, yet the person who got out of the car spent considerable time at the residence. And going back into the house multiple times? That person for whatever reason was looking for something.

 

[ldlager]

It has always been assumed that they were killed on the 13th at night. But maybe they were alive on Dec 14,I don’t think we know.

I continue to be amazed at the seemingly or reportedly negligent/ lax/shoddy/non existent police work in this case. Surely if true, this should warrant some independent or judicial,investigation of the TPS actions in this case?

 

[MistyWaters]

I am Canadian and have followed many cases. The "anniversary" police releases are used to bring the unsolved cases to the public's attention and to ask for tips. Although LE has never asked for tips in the Sherman case, it is normal for reporters to ask for a statement before they run articles on the anniversary.

With the initial six week investigation being strongly criticised in the media, I would think that TPS would realize that a good public relations effort would be beneficial for their image, and public confidence in them. Something as simple as noting they are fully dedicated and working hard..in place of stone silence. JMO

Yes police might specifically ask for tips if they require help from the public. In this case they did early on but not recently. Various indications are TPS considers this case an active investigation so that must say they’ve one or more suspect under their scope.

I can appreciate we’d like to know exactly where police are at with this case but something I always try to remember - so would the killer who’s not yet been arrested. I don’t think any of us want to jeopardize an arrest and successful conviction from occuring. So sure, meanwhile we can bide our time here and be entertained by allegations of police incompetence or scandal and so forth...maybe because Donovan doesn’t really have any other option to write about to attract readership on this case?

What I do find rather fascinating is the different views - Warmington versus Donovan.

 

[WINDSOR]

Strange that the car reported in Donovan’s story today didn’t park on the driveway, yet the person who got out of the car spent considerable time at the residence. And going back into the house multiple times? That person for whatever reason was looking for something.

This going in and out actions of the person in question is certainly of interest. What sort of individual in the course of normal activities would be behaving this way?

"At 9:11 a.m. a dark-coloured four door sedan driving west on Old Colony Rd. stops and parks immediately in front of the Sherman house. It does not drive into the circular driveway. Three minutes after the car is parked a man gets out and at 9:14 a.m. he walks to the Sherman house and enters through the front door. He remains in the house for 12 minutes.

At 9:26 a.m., the man emerges from the house, walks back to his car and gets in. He remains in the car for just under 11 minutes, then gets out of his car and walks back to the house and enters through the front door at 9:37 a.m. This time he remains in the house for eight minutes.

At 9:45 a.m., the man walks back to his car. This time he stays in his car for about 21 minutes, and walks back to the house and enters through the front door at 10:06 a.m. He remains in the house for nine minutes, then emerges and gets into his car and drives slowly west towards Bayview Ave. at 10:16 a.m."

---I can envisage a tradesman, who was doing a repair for example and then waiting in his car waiting for paint or glue to dry, maybe having a smoke while waiting. Did the man look like a tradesman, or carry tools? had the Sherman had any work done recently that might have required a follow-up visit by a tradesman?

---He might be a 'cleaner' (see Harvey Keitel role, Pulp Fiction) to eliminate evidence. Was he carrying any cleaning supplies?

---Can you think of any other sort of individual who in the normal course of activities, would behave this way?

--- Could the person be reporting to a 'Boss' about the condition and whereabouts of the deceased, to confirm the job was done. Man goes into the house, inspects, reports in to the Boss from his car, the Boss asks some specific questions, the Man goes into the house and checks again, reports to the Boss, more questions, one more inspection and report to Boss, Man leaves. If you were the Boss, and paying big money for a 'hit' to be done in a certain way, would you not want independent confirmation the job was done right?

--- Does not seem typical behavior of a real estate agent though.

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[MistyWaters]

I’ve searched for a certain link a few times before but haven’t been successful in finding it. Does anyone remember what I think I do?

It contained a comment by a home owner only days after the discovery of the Sherman murders. Not a neighbour though, but someone who’s house was a couple streets over or more. It was a man I believe and he specifically mentioned TPS were interested in security video from both Dec 13th and Dec 14th. At the time many of here also wondered what was with Dec 14th and why that particular street.