Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #11

[nuff]

Good stuff, could it be that Sherman's were in the process of making a decision to stop funding an organization, and in desperation that organization decided to have a meeting with the Shermans and 'make them an offer'? It seems very far fetched that a 'charity' would operate in this way. However maybe an individual(s) from the 'charity' decided on their own to take rogue action? Could it be that somebody was embezzling from a charity, and the loss of funding from the Shermans would result in the scam being discovered?

The charities to which the Shermans gave large donations were all large, well-known and reputable. This seems like a highly unlikely motive.

 

[JDG]

Now this is very interesting and provides a new possible motive. What if the perpetrators of this crime was a victim or related to a victim of the drug deferiprone, and wanted to seek revenge on the Shermans? To me this is a real stretch, as I would think a vengeful person would go after the doctor who prescribed the drug rather than the manufacturer. However someone who is under duress and not thinking clearly could place the blame on the Shermans.

I wonder if the TPS have looked into the deaths of people who were treated with deferiprone and the behavior of people close to the deceased?

Usually, when any drug is used experimentally or for off label uses, the patient is given full disclosure and has to sign a consent form stating that they have been advised of the possible perils.

Its the same with any surgery, you are told all the bad things that can happen and sign a consent form.

Those forms cover the doctors/hospital from liability, I believe.

Informed consent is an agreement that one will take the chances of negative outcomes.

If you've had anything medical done/given to you, you have experienced this......gone are the days when you weren't told about possible outcomes.

I guess the more appropriate questions would be, did the people consider the downsides?

Its all about risk tolerance, isn't it. I don't think a relative of someone affected would necessarily know it was the Shermans.

I didnt pay much attention to medication in our home until after the Shermans were murdered, then I noticed that most items were Apotex. Even the pharmacy bags are tagged Apotex.

 

[MistyWaters]

UHN patients given unlicensed drug that led to diabetes, liver dysfunction and one death, study finds

A “study” as reported by the media is not proof of allegations. If this article is intended to point toward motive involved in the Sherman homicides, I think that’s a really long stretch.

Maybe I’m missing something because I’m not understanding what’s unique about deferiprobe in Canada because it’s a drug that was already been licensed elsewhere in the world. Nor do I notice any class action lawsuits filed over the drug, Canada or otherwise. Apotex is a generic pharmaceutical company, replicating existing expired patents.

“Deferiprone (tradenames include Ferriprox) is a drug that chelates iron and is used to treat iron overload in thalassaemia major.[1] It was first approved for use in treating thalassaemia major in 1994[2] and had been licensed for use in Europe and Asia for many years while awaiting approval in Canada and the United States.[1] On October 14, 2011, it was approved for use in the US under the FDA's accelerated approval program.[3]”
Deferiprone - Wikipedia

 

[deugirtni]

Now this is very interesting and provides a new possible motive. What if the perpetrators of this crime was a victim or related to a victim of the drug deferiprone, and wanted to seek revenge on the Shermans? To me this is a real stretch, as I would think a vengeful person would go after the doctor who prescribed the drug rather than the manufacturer. However someone who is under duress and not thinking clearly could place the blame on the Shermans.

I wonder if the TPS have looked into the deaths of people who were treated with deferiprone and the behavior of people close to the deceased?

How many cases have there been, of people who've been or had relatives drastically affected by drug trial consequences, murdering the manufacturer's founder and his spouse?

 

[MistyWaters]

I think greedy big Pharma would pose a larger threat to BS than a charitable organization. JMO

Apotex is big in Canada but Canadian companies are generally small potatoes in the international scene. In 2016 Apotex was #15 of generic drug companies in revenue.

The top 15 generic drugmakers by 2016 revenue | FiercePharma

Apotex revenue was $1.6 billion but goggling elsewhere the revenue of the largest pharmaceutical companies was well beyond $500 billion. The 75 year old retired CEO of Apotex wouldn’t pose any risk whatsoever imo.

 

[Kittybunny]

Wow - is this case really over a year and a month old? That is an awfully long time for such a high-profile case to remain unsolved, especially given my own personal theories of the case which point to rather obvious suspect(s) and motive (revenge/$$). I am usually the first one beating the "just because there hasn't been an arrest, doesn't mean they don't know who did it" drum, but in this case, after this time, I have to wonder if perhaps the perp(s) aren't the so obvious suspects, and are indeed more sophisticated, obscure, and farther removed than I originally thought, in which case anyone's guess is as good as mine, as out of the ordinary as it might seem. Unless, they are being diligent about eliminating every other possibility however random until nothing else is left? Not from Toronto or even Canada so not sure if this is a case of meticulous and methodical police work or a cold case.

Not even any recent updates from the Sherman children's private investigator?

 

[casesensitive]

Apotex is big in Canada but Canadian companies are generally small potatoes in the international scene. In 2016 Apotex was #15 of generic drug companies in revenue.

The top 15 generic drugmakers by 2016 revenue | FiercePharma

Apotex revenue was $1.6 billion but goggling elsewhere the revenue of the largest pharmaceutical companies was well beyond $500 billion. The 75 year old retired CEO of Apotex wouldn’t pose any risk whatsoever imo.

I don't feel that the Sherman's were targeted by a Pharma connection, but the possibility of a Pharma motive has been well noted by the media, and BS was quoted as saying he was surprised he wasn't knocked off by one of them. I think he made more enemies in the drug business than in the donation business. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Wow - is this case really over a year and a month old? That is an awfully long time for such a high-profile case to remain unsolved, especially given my own personal theories of the case which point to rather obvious suspect(s) and motive (revenge/$$). I am usually the first one beating the "just because there hasn't been an arrest, doesn't mean they don't know who did it" drum, but in this case, after this time, I have to wonder if perhaps the perp(s) aren't the so obvious suspects, and are indeed more sophisticated, obscure, and farther removed than I originally thought, in which case anyone's guess is as good as mine, as out of the ordinary as it might seem. Unless, they are being diligent about eliminating every other possibility however random until nothing else is left? Not from Toronto or even Canada so not sure if this is a case of meticulous and methodical police work or a cold case.

Not even any recent updates from the Sherman children's private investigator?

The PI team have not offered the public any recent progress reports but I don’t think they’d be inclined to risk the intrigrity of the investigation, active or not. Last we heard in October, Greenspan invited LE to participate in scrutinizing leads gained through the family’s $10 million reward but we don’t know if that arrangement was put in place.

Better a thorough investigation than a haphazard one. Even if LE has a prime suspect in their scope, due diligence requires that others be eliminated.

 

[WINDSOR]

The charities to which the Shermans gave large donations were all large, well-known and reputable. This seems like a highly unlikely motive.

I agree it seems unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
Embezzlement at charities is not uncommon, here is a December 2018 story.
The Colliers Cares Foundation is large, well-known and a reputable charity.

Woman charged after $700,000 embezzled from charitable foundation, parent company | CBC News

 

[WINDSOR]

How many cases have there been, of people who've been or had relatives drastically affected by drug trial consequences, murdering the manufacturer's founder and his spouse?

Fair question, for which I do not have an answer, but I do know before September 11th, nobody had crashed a jet into a skyscraper. Could be a BLACK SWAN occurrence possibly.

 

[PostTruth]

Does anyone know if any signs of struggle were found in the house, apart from (if there were any) the pool area?

 

[WINDSOR]

Does anyone know if any signs of struggle were found in the house, apart from (if there were any) the pool area?

As far as I can remember, no signs of struggle were mentioned in any published reports. With the age and the general level of athleticism of the victims involved, I would not expect much of a defensive struggle on their part.

 

[MistyWaters]

Does anyone know if any signs of struggle were found in the house, apart from (if there were any) the pool area?

TPS has never released any information officially, other than cause and manner of death. However there have been sources quoted by the media. How reliable this information is, anyone’s guess.

If it is so, that Honey was struck by the front door to causing bleeding, it would seem a possiblity the blood was cleaned and detected by luminal as neither the housecleaner or realtor appeared to suspect anything was amiss even though both the Sherman vehicles were parked at home as well.

“.....What this was, said the officer, was a murder-suicide with Honey being the lone murder victim.

There were two crimes scenes inside the house, said the officer, who suggested Honey had been struck by something near the front door and dragged to the pool area where she was suited up with a belt that was secured to a railing.....”
WARMINGTON: Barry and Honey Sherman’s legacy endures, so does hunt for their killer a year later

ETA - The above quote also refers to the mysterious source who put the kibosh on Warmington’s “They were executed!” article.
“...I was about to push the send button when Toronto Police sources said it was wrong.

“It was not a double murder,” said one cop. “It’s a murder-suicide, with him killing her, dragging her body to the pool, hanging it and then hanging himself.”...”
WARMINGTON: Did cops mislead, bungle or capitulate in Sherman ‘murder’ probe?

 

[PostTruth]

As far as I can remember, no signs of struggle were mentioned in any published reports. With the age and the general level of athleticism of the victims involved, I would not expect much of a defensive struggle on their part.

I do wonder still because of this point we already know: "Private investigators also believe that Honey struggled with her killer or killers. She had cuts on her lip and nose, and was sitting in a pool of her own blood when she was discovered." The source is this.

 

[PostTruth]

TPS has never released any information officially, other than cause and manner of death. However there have been sources quoted by the media. How reliable this information is, anyone’s guess.

If it is so, that Honey was struck by the front door to causing bleeding, it would seem a possiblity the blood was cleaned and detected by luminal as neither the housecleaner or realtor appeared to suspect anything was amiss even though both the Sherman vehicles were parked at home as well.

“.....What this was, said the officer, was a murder-suicide with Honey being the lone murder victim.

There were two crimes scenes inside the house, said the officer, who suggested Honey had been struck by something near the front door and dragged to the pool area where she was suited up with a belt that was secured to a railing.....”
WARMINGTON: Barry and Honey Sherman’s legacy endures, so does hunt for their killer a year later

Good point. Wonder now whether Greenspan, when talking about the evidence his team found at the press conference, said they found anything to corroborate the potential first crime scene. Will return to his statement I guess.

 

[ldlager]

Wow - is this case really over a year and a month old? That is an awfully long time for such a high-profile case to remain unsolved, especially given my own personal theories of the case which point to rather obvious suspect(s) and motive (revenge/$$). I am usually the first one beating the "just because there hasn't been an arrest, doesn't mean they don't know who did it" drum, but in this case, after this time, I have to wonder if perhaps the perp(s) aren't the so obvious suspects, and are indeed more sophisticated, obscure, and farther removed than I originally thought, in which case anyone's guess is as good as mine, as out of the ordinary as it might seem. Unless, they are being diligent about eliminating every other possibility however random until nothing else is left? Not from Toronto or even Canada so not sure if this is a case of meticulous and methodical police work or a cold case.

Not even any recent updates from the Sherman children's private investigator?

I would be very hesitant about using the word “Toronto” and the phrase “meticulous and methodical police work” in the same sentence....

 

[Jasper52]

‘Bad memories and a stigma.’ Sherman family wants to demolish home of slain couple

Sherman family wants to demolish mansion where Toronto billionaires murdered

 

[dotr]

Sherman family wants to demolish home where billionaire couple was found dead
"Real estate agent Ed Wolf said the sellers of the home are obliged to disclose that the couple was murdered inside the home.

“If someone were to buy it today more than likely all they would get is land value because someone would more than likely want to demolish it,” Wolf said Thursday.

“It’s not exactly a welcoming feature of the home.”

“We have sat there and stared at that house. There are just awful memories of what has happened there,” one neighbor told CP24 on Thursday afternoon. “We try to avoid thinking about it and I always think about the family and Honey and how she would drive by, say hello, stuff like that but from their kids perspective I can’t imagine what would give them peace and bring closure to their story. It is their prerogative. If they feel comforted in tearing it down then go ahead you know."

 

[JDG]

I'm sure that it would sell, in that neighbourhood, for close to full value.

Trouble is, that the kids don't want the house still standing due to their own memories.

If it was a semi in TO, it would have to be sold 'as is' regarding the murder house stigma.

 

[Sphinx]

I'm sure that it would sell, in that neighbourhood, for close to full value.

Trouble is, that the kids don't want the house still standing due to their own memories.

If it was a semi in TO, it would have to be sold 'as is' regarding the murder house stigma.

I remember reading in the press that Barry came after the contractor who built the house with a massive law suit because of all the structural problems. Maybe some of them were never resolved, and that could be why Honey wanted a new house. That kind of thing would also make it hard to sell. Some properties with problems like that are more valuable if the house is removed. Lots in that area must be worth a fortune. IMO