Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #11

[dotr]

The reason for not using a gun is that they were looking for something and tortured them until they handed it over. Probably a secret formula for a revolutionary new drug. The fact that it was secret is the reason why police don’t know it’s missing.

Hmmm, again the proposed demolition of the house comes to mind, could it hold a secret stash of sorts, or even new evidence of some kind?
imo, speculation.
Barry and Honey Sherman's family wants to demolish home where billionaire philanthropists were killed | CBC News
"The unnamed agent says no one will purchase the home since the Shermans' bodies were found dead beside the house pool in December 2017.

The double-homicide remains unsolved, and police have provided no substantial updates on the case for more than a year.

The family's letter says they wish to level the house, clean up the site, fill in the pool and put the lot up for sale. The city's building department has deferred the matter to a local community council for further review."

 

[ldlager]

Jan 23 2018
Private investigators believe Toronto billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman were murdered, source says | CBC News
rbbm.

"Their wrists showed evidence that they had been, at one point, bound together. No rope or other materials that could have been used to tie their wrists were discovered, the source told CBC Toronto.

Their bodies were otherwise limp and their arms unbound when they were discovered, the source said. The day the Shermans were found police said that there was no evidence of forced entry into the home."
Dec 19 2017
WARMINGTON: Questions surround deaths of billionaire couple
"Sources say investigators found the Shermans, side by side, in their windowless pool room, each with a men’s leather belt wrapped around their necks and tied to the pool railing. Both had on jackets that were pulled “behind their backs” and rolled down over their arms.

It is believed the camera in the pool area had been disconnected."

Exactly. Their wrists may at one point been bound together. Their wrists were not bound or tied when they were found

 

[ldlager]

There are numerous media reports indicating the way in which the coats were positioned somehow restricted any arm movement. I’m assuming that’s what is being referred to as that information has no attributed source.

“Both had on jackets that were pulled “behind their backs” and rolled down over their arms....”
WARMINGTON: Questions surround deaths of billionaire couple

“They also say the pair were found seated, poolside, with winter coats pulled down over their shoulders to limit arm movement.....”
Private investigators say Barry and Honey Sherman were murdered: reports

“......and their winter coats pulled back over their arms.....”
It’s been a year since Barry and Honey Sherman were killed. There are so many questions. So few answers

McLean’s says their arms were bound. They were not bound as far as I know. They were constrained by the coats. But not bound.

 

[rickcross]

Hmmm, again the proposed demolition of the house comes to mind, could it hold a secret stash of sorts, or even new evidence of some kind?
imo, speculation.
Barry and Honey Sherman's family wants to demolish home where billionaire philanthropists were killed | CBC News
"The unnamed agent says no one will purchase the home since the Shermans' bodies were found dead beside the house pool in December 2017.

The double-homicide remains unsolved, and police have provided no substantial updates on the case for more than a year.

The family's letter says they wish to level the house, clean up the site, fill in the pool and put the lot up for sale. The city's building department has deferred the matter to a local community council for further review."

Seems unlikely nobody would buy the house for the price of the lot?

 

[rickcross]

Exactly. Their wrists may at one point been bound together. Their wrists were not bound or tied when they were found

I wonder if it was handcuffs? Could someone from law enforcement be involved??

 

[nuff]

Seems unlikely nobody would buy the house for the price of the lot?

That land in that neighbourhood is worth a tidy sum, with or without a house. In the Toronto market, a lot of houses are bought just to be demolished, especially in high-end areas.

 

[rickcross]

That land in that neighbourhood is worth a tidy sum, with or without a house. In the Toronto market, a lot of houses are bought just to be demolished, especially in high-end areas.

I understand that. But that house isn’t a teardown by any means. A lot is usually worth somewhere around half of the total value. You telling me they can’t find a seller for $4 million? I bet it would sell tomorrow if offered.

 

[MistyWaters]

McLean’s says their arms were bound. They were not bound as far as I know. They were constrained by the coats. But not bound.

I think the point of the Maclean’s article is to say we really don’t know anything much at all.

 

[MistyWaters]

That land in that neighbourhood is worth a tidy sum, with or without a house. In the Toronto market, a lot of houses are bought just to be demolished, especially in high-end areas.

I’m more familiar with the Vancouver market but I know what you’re saying - The multi million dollar plus buyers are interested in the lot, not the 25+ used home of the prior owners.

Considering the circumstances I can understand why the family is choosing to have it demolished now.

 

[Tighthead]

I understand that. But that house isn’t a teardown by any means. A lot is usually worth somewhere around half of the total value. You telling me they can’t find a seller for $4 million? I bet it would sell tomorrow if offered.

They want the home destroyed. The estate is worth billions. It’s an emotional decision even if it’s not fiscally prudent.

 

[rickcross]

They want the home destroyed. The estate is worth billions. It’s an emotional decision even if it’s not fiscally prudent.

Exactly, just pointing out that the “we can’t sell it” excuse is just BS.

 

[JayFriend]

They want the home destroyed. The estate is worth billions. It’s an emotional decision even if it’s not fiscally prudent.

It should be obvious there's a stigma attached to the house because of the murders, and it's not worth anything itself and would be demolished by the next owner.

 

[dotr]

It should be obvious there's a stigma attached to the house because of the murders, and it's not worth anything itself and would be demolished by the next owner.

It would be unnerving to buy the home not only because of the murders, but because the killer/s have not yet been caught, eek- it could be anybody- AND, they apparently know how to enter the house without using force!
imo, speculation.

 

[rickcross]

It would be unnerving to buy the home not only because of the murders, but because the killer/s have not yet been caught, eek- it could be anybody- AND, they apparently know how to enter the house without using force!
imo, speculation.

The Sherman’s were targeted, nobody else has to worry. The killers are likely in another country by now.

 

[dotr]

The Sherman’s were targeted, nobody else has to worry. The killers are likely in another country by now.

If you were to imagine/speculate in your own opinion ect. which country(ies) do you think it might be?

 

[rickcross]

If you were to imagine/speculate in your own opinion ect. which country(ies) do you think it might be?

I’d guess Russian mafia but that’s just a guess. Who would have contracted them is the bigger question though.

 

[human]

I’d guess Russian mafia but that’s just a guess. Who would have contracted them is the bigger question though.

Why does the Russian mafia want to kill septegenarians, one who has had many health issues?

 

[rickcross]

Why does the Russian mafia want to kill septegenarians, one who has had many health issues?

Whoever did this was hired. They likely had no stake in the game. The reason probably had something to do with Apotec, a business dealing with Barry, or a disgruntled person at the wrong end of a lawsuit.

 

[deugirtni]

Whoever did this was hired. They likely had no stake in the game. The reason probably had something to do with Apotec, a business dealing with Barry, or a disgruntled person at the wrong end of a lawsuit.

So what kind of person like that would have knowledge of how to hire an assassin from the Russian mafia?

 

[dotr]

So what kind of person like that would have knowledge of how to hire an assassin from the Russian mafia?

Is Hiring an Internet Hitman in Russia As Easy As Ordering Pizza?
by Frederick Bennett
Dec 17 2013 rbbm.
The sites are offering their services, completely openly over the internet, for anyone to access and place an order. Running since February of this year, one site offers everything the bloodthirsty revenge seeker might be after. “A light shake down” for $350; the Tarantino-esque “Chiropractor” for $800, and for some extra cash, they will break any part of the victim's body for $50 a bone.

When it comes to the murder itself, several options are available: “death from natural causes or an unfortunate incident”; "'random' murder in a fight (for example in an assault at night),” or the “classic” ordered hit. Prices for these depend on various factors, such as the location of the victim and whatever challenges the hitman may need to overcome to complete the job. For an additional fee, customers can request a slew of optional extras: leaving the target naked in the forest; having them dig their own grave, getting them gagged with a rag soiled with urine and faeces. The customisation options are pretty vast."
Russian hitman describes how he killed up to 40 people for the mob | Daily Mail Online
March 2018
"Routinely he would observe his victims for several days, reported Kommersant newspaper, owned by Arsenal shareholder Alisher Usmanov, which dubbed him 'one of the most sought-after contract killers' in Russia.

Normally he would kill when the target left a car or building.

'When I had everything ready, I talked to Purtov in detail on how I'd perform the order, and asked for someone 'on the wheel, he said.

'That is - a driver with a car specially purchased in which he'd drive me and then pick me up from the crime scene.'"
Before doing the 'job' the killer disguised himself.

'I created an ordinary look - glasses, hat, scarf. I came close, shot and ran away fast,' he said

'I'd find a residential building nearby, get changed there, throw off my working clothes and run to the car.

'Normally the car would wait for me in a nearby yard, sometimes farther."