Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #11

[Deleted member 102539]

I get what you are saying about making one of them watch, but once Honey is dead, why not just shoot Barry in the head?

No gun available? Fear for tracking the gun/ammunition? Maybe, a belt (perhaps BS' own) was less dangerous to identify?

 

[SeesSeas]

Couple of months ago I made a list of all those types of snags regarding an "outside murderer" and all the intimate knowledge required about the home and security etc. It was a long list .

Hi Lex ..... I was not able to find my list from last year .... darn !!! .... it was pretty good ..... all I did was use logic to compile all the reasons a "professional" would never ever risk undertaking a double murder in a setting like that.

Oct 5, 2018:
Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #8
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On the other hand .......

Double murder requires an endless list of requirements that defy logic
~~Murderer would require access to the home ahead of time , unknown , and unseen by anyone
~~Murderer would need to intimately know the home , security , or lack of security , cameras , lack of cameras etc.
~~Murderer would require advance knowledge of the Sherman's travels and plans for that evening
~~Murderer would require advance knowledge of staff , housekeepers , plant-waterers , real estate showings , where the belts are kept etc.
~~Murderer would be vulnerable to exposure by having to lurk and hide for the several hours between when Honey and Barry arrived home , we are told they were both wearing their original daytime clothing and jackets.

If indeed it was an outsider-enemy , and if indeed it was a passionate-murderer who desired to "leave a message" he failed because no clear message can be gained by the staging by the pool.

Rather , three possible "messages" emerge , suicide-suicide , murder-suicide , murder-murder , or something else. A lot of wasted effort to create a message that does not work.

If "leaving a message" was not a requirement of the murderer , two bullets in a parking lot would have accomplished it. The Sherman's were not cloaked with security during their downtown travels and life . A bit of stalking is all that would be required.

 

[WINDSOR]

Hi Lex ..... I was not able to find my list from last year .... darn !!! .... it was pretty good ..... all I did was use logic to compile all the reasons a "professional" would never ever risk undertaking a double murder in a setting like that.

I was prompted to make the list after reading this quote from the Wall Street Journal ..... "The Greenspan team came to believe the crime scene had been staged , and was likely the work of hired professionals"

A professional killer would do something fast and quick , and if indeed he was contracted to do it in the home and "leave a message" (the staging) he failed completely because to this day nobody knows what the heck the message is

A professional killer would have to spend a lot of time getting to know the home and habits of the Shermans .... not easy to do without being an obvious stalker .... not to mention possible security cameras all over the place.

Some folks here think a killer may have posed as a prospective real estate customer and could have toured the home , and got a chance to see the layout and check for security systems . Trouble is that would require the killer to expose himself to real estate agents , witnesses , security video footage , standard real estate background checks to see if he could purchase (afford) the house , etc etc .... a huge amount of exposure.

Speaking of cameras (The Wall Street Journal article) said ...... "The Sherman home wasn't gated , but security cameras pointed outside" ..... Now if that is true the police would be all over it , and maybe they have , but did not find anything linked to an outside stranger coming to the home.

But that is all beside the point , because there is absolutely no way a professional killer would expose himself to all that risk of being caught or identified.

There are a lot more logical reasons it is unlikely to be the work of a professional killer ..... Everybody please feel free to add to this list

If the professional killers were returning to their home country, which did not have an extradition treaty, and they travelled under false travel documents, they would not be too concerned who saw their face. In the case of the Russians who poisoned the Skripals in Salisbury England, the British have pictures and names of the assailants, but the assailants are free in Russia.

 

[dotr]

If the professional killers were returning to their home country, which did not have an extradition treaty, and they travelled under false travel documents, they would not be too concerned who saw their face. In the case of the Russians who poisoned the Skripals in Salisbury England, the British have pictures and names of the assailants, but the assailants are free in Russia.

In the unsolved double murder by asphyxiation in Florida of another high profile Jewish couple from Toronto, LE have dna and images of the suspects, but the female perps are still not identified. Assuming they may have returned to whatever country "produced" them, imo, speculation.
FL - FL - David 'Donny' Pichosky, 71, & Rochelle Wise, 66, Hallandale Beach, 10 Jan 2013

Florida murders: Police have DNA of two women implicated in Toronto couple’s death | The Star

 

[ldlager]

I get what you are saying about making one of them watch, but once Honey is dead, why not just shoot Barry in the head?

Strangled simultaneously. Facing each other.

 

[nuff]

29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor? | The Star

If this were someone with a legitimate reason to be there (such as a real estate agent), you'd think he would have come forward. But, perhaps he has, and TPS is just not ready to disclose it.

 

[MistyWaters]

29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor? | The Star

If this were someone with a legitimate reason to be there (such as a real estate agent), you'd think he would have come forward. But, perhaps he has, and TPS is just not ready to disclose it.

Fascinating bit of drama. As the time is precise, surely the date is correct:
“Between 9:11 a.m. and 10:16 a.m. on Thursday, Dec. 14, 2017, the man walked from a four-door sedan parked in front of the Sherman house on Old Colony Rd., appears to enter the Sherman house through the front door, then comes back outside. He does this three times, for a total of 29 minutes inside the Sherman home, before driving off.”

 

[Tighthead]

Could that be the personal trainer? Perhaps the front door wasn’t locked. Ring the bell, enter, wait outside, repeat. Or any other service provider or friend.

Hard to imagine the killers, or anyone connected, coming back in broad daylight as described.

I have to think that at this point the police have this figured out.

 

[MistyWaters]

“Idsinga also said in the statement that police have recently obtained more search warrants — he did not say how many — and that "DNA samples" are also being reviewed.....”
29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor?

Hopefully this news might also be significant. Because I believe LE first collects DNA samples the old-fashioned way, from a drinking cup etc, has it tested and only if the suspect’s DNA is seen to be important court evidence do they go through the motion of obtaining a warrant to obtain another sample through legal means. JMO

 

[BaffleMe]

If one doesn’t believe my theory that they were made t9 be punished by watching the other one die, then logically That only leaves one possibility- they were both targeted and both meant to be killed. Otherwise, just kill Barry, or just kill honey individually. If they were both targeted, then something they shared together (which really wasn’t too much from what I have read) got them both killed.

She wasn’t involved in Apotex. He wasn’t overly involved in her charitable work it seems. What did they share that got them both killed?

 

[BaffleMe]

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[BaffleMe]

I believe the theory that one was targeted, and the other was killed first as a show of punishment. Actual target killed second.

 

[MistyWaters]

Could that be the personal trainer? Perhaps the front door wasn’t locked. Ring the bell, enter, wait outside, repeat. Or any other service provider or friend.

Hard to imagine the killers, or anyone connected, coming back in broad daylight as described.

I have to think that at this point the police have this figured out.

LE stated early on there was “no forced entry” and that became the basis for some that M/S occurred as it was widely construed to indicate nobody else entered the home. Our WS VI, Kerry Winter, also made this same point several times IIRC.

Although it appears by Dec 14th both Shermans were already dead, this video proves someone entered the home prior to LE being alerted by the 911 call on Dec 15th, regardless of who the man is.

That’s a significance point of this leak IMO > There was entry to the residence.

 

[deugirtni]

Could that be the personal trainer? Perhaps the front door wasn’t locked. Ring the bell, enter, wait outside, repeat. Or any other service provider or friend.

Hard to imagine the killers, or anyone connected, coming back in broad daylight as described.

I have to think that at this point the police have this figured out.

I was thinking it was likely a realtor waiting on his client to arrive to view the home.. however, if it was a realtor, the realtor's appointment would surely be well documented and there would be no question about who it was.

My confidence that TPS is capable of figuring anything out without explicit direction and supervision from someone overseeing the entire case has really gone from low to zilch after reading this.

I have to admit that I feel gutted to discover that B.Price is now the lead investigator in this case. Cold case indeed.

 

[deugirtni]

29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor? | The Star

If this were someone with a legitimate reason to be there (such as a real estate agent), you'd think he would have come forward. But, perhaps he has, and TPS is just not ready to disclose it.

Just wanted to offer up the same article at The Spec for those that aren't able to read from The Star:
29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor?

 

[MistyWaters]

Just wanted to offer up the same article at The Spec for those that aren't able to read from The Star:
29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor?

Dec 13, 2017 was the Wednesday. From your link:

BBM
“The officer who showed up at the homeowners' house on Sunday took a copy of Wednesday to Friday video, and returned later to get the Monday and Tuesday portions of the video. The Star does not know what is on the Wednesday video because the homeowners never thought to view it. In their minds, the day before the bodies were discovered was the relevant time period - (ie Thursday). The Wednesday is a key time because that is the night the Shermans came home separately from a meeting — Honey is believed to have arrived home around 7:30 p.m. and Barry around 9 p.m. His last email was from his desk computer at Apotex at 8:13 p.m. that night.“

 

[dotr]

rbbm.
Dec 11 2017 unidentified man and woman enter Sherman home.
Dec 12 2017 HS missed meeting
Dec 13 2017 meeting at Apotex with architect
Dec 14 2017 man parked in front of Sherman house, enters and exits 3 times in approx. 1 hour.
Dec 15 2017 Shermans discovered deceased.
rbbm.
Endless court battles, angry relatives and shady players: the truth about Barry Sherman
"On Dec. 12, 2017, the day before the couple was last seen alive, Honey missed a scheduled meeting at the Baycrest Centre Foundation. Were it any other board member, no one would’ve paid heed, says Josh Cooper, the foundation’s president and CEO. But Honey, a beloved queen bee in the upper echelons of Canadian philanthropy, was known for showing up—or else saying she couldn’t. “It was bizarre,” says Cooper. They sent an email to make sure she was okay. “Honey got back to us right away,” he says. “She said she was dealing with some stuff.”

At the time, no one thought anything more of it."

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Ann Brocklehurst‏ @AnnB03 2 Std.Vor 2 Stunden
Does anyone have screenshots of these photos from the latest Star story on the Barry and Honey Sherman case? They are not in today's paper Star nor in the other TorStar papers' digital versions.

Ann Brocklehurst‏ @AnnB03 2 Std.vor 2 Stunden
FYI, there are no copyright issues in reproducing these photos.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Just wanted to offer up the same article at The Spec for those that aren't able to read from The Star:
29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor?

Excerpt, interesting:
During the Star's interviews on Old Colony Rd. over the last two weeks, one other neighbour added an additional piece of information. That six weeks following the Shermans bodies being discovered, a Toronto Police Service detective showed up at his door to ask questions. "His business card said he was from the 'cold case squad'," the man told the Star.

 

[MistyWaters]

No conspiracy theories for Ann —

Ann Brocklehurst (@AnnB03) on Twitter
Mar 19
Mossad hit, the Clintons, Trudeau. The conspiracy theories about the Sherman murders are both bonkers and all over the map