Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #13

[nuff]

WARMINGTON: 'Window was left open' as Sherman home painted

"He’s hoping for a repeat, and referenced how the Glen Davis murder took four years to solve as an example to show that two years is nothing to fear.

Wealthy philanthropist Davis was murdered by a hitman hired by godson Marshall Ross."

Glen Davis’s godson writes a murderous end to family saga | The Star
Dec 19 2011

Just remembering that right after he made the Glen Davis reference , Idsinga was in a hurry to add that he was using that only as an example of how much time an investigation can take, nothing else (I'm paraphrasing.) He actually seemed a bit flustered at that point. I'm wondering if other similarities in that case to the current TPS working hypothesis are what initially brought it to his mind subconsciously. (As in, a family member hiring a hitman.)

 

[William_60]

Yesterday I read, in a recent KD/Toronto Star article, that whoever committed the crime knew the bodies would not be discovered soon after the murder.

(I should try to find that statement, I know, but I’m pressed for time, work later today and still only on Page 5 - of 14 - in my catch-up reading)

That statement speaks to intimate knowledge of the Shermans. It’s very significant, IMO, given the traffic of realtors and others, preceding the act.

 

[WINDSOR]

I now think the Glenn Davis reference is more significant than than I initially thought. Sort of a Freudian slip rather than just an example.

A professional like Idsinga, is fully prepared for press conferences, he has examples, facts and details ready. He also knows what he should not say.

Now for most of us the Glenn Davis case is not top of mind. If Idsinga and his team had discovered that there were significant similarities between the Sherman and Davis, and Idsinga's team had been studying those similarities he would be aware of that. So during the press conference the Davis name just pops out of Idsinga's mouth, because it is top of mind.

Notice how quickly Idsinga implies there are no commonalities. There were a hundred other cases Idsinga could have referred too, but I believe Idsinga had the Davis case on his mind.

Quickly looking at the Davis case, we have a relative who owes the victim much money, who expects upon the death of the victim to have his debts forgiven, and in fact receive more money in the will.
The relative hires a hitman to perform the murder.
Possibly this scenario could fit the Sherman case as well.

It takes the TPS a number of years but they solve the case and they make arrests and get the convictions.

 

[William_60]

Ok, found that statement, it’s from a MacLean’s interview with KD, Oct. 30, 2019.

Q: The Toronto Star‘s lawyer told you to go out and “solve the case.” In the book you don’t name anyone but clearly have some theories about who did it.
A: There were so many ‘out-there’ theories—that the murders were the result of a bad business deal, or the Mossad or the Clinton Foundation was behind it. I’ve arrived at the thinking that it’s not any of these theories. It’s somebody Barry Sherman knew who didn’t want him alive anymore and didn’t want Honey alive anymore. Years ago, Barry Sherman said, “If someone wants to take me out they could just shoot me.” That’s true. He would leave his office every night and get into his car. He would be easy to kill. Why kill him in the home? Why kill him with his wife? Why in the pool room? Who would know the schedule? The fact those bodies lay there for 36 hours tells me someone knew they wouldn’t be found.

 

[Number8]

I now think the Glenn Davis reference is more significant than than I initially thought. Sort of a Freudian slip rather than just an example.

A professional like Idsinga, is fully prepared for press conferences, he has examples, facts and details ready. He also knows what he should not say.

Now for most of us the Glenn Davis case is not top of mind. If Idsinga and his team had discovered that there were significant similarities between the Sherman and Davis, and Idsinga's team had been studying those similarities he would be aware of that. So during the press conference the Davis name just pops out of Idsinga's mouth, because it is top of mind.

Notice how quickly Idsinga implies there are no commonalities. There were a hundred other cases Idsinga could have referred too, but I believe Idsinga had the Davis case on his mind.

Quickly looking at the Davis case, we have a relative who owes the victim much money, who expects upon the death of the victim to have his debts forgiven, and in fact receive more money in the will.
The relative hires a hitman to perform the murder.
Possibly this scenario could fit the Sherman case as well.

It takes the TPS a number of years but they solve the case and they make arrests and get the convictions.

Yes. I agree with you. I think there's absolutely a reason the Davis case popped into his mind and it was not just about the timeline (there's probably many other cases he could've referenced instead). Combined with his pause, then avoidance of the question when asked it was a hit, is definitely starting to convince me that they're working with that theory.

 

[William_60]

Couldn't catch the press conference, so it was a nothing burger?

Follow the money, who has the most to gain from their deaths?

Or, the flip side...who felt angry/diminished by the couple being alive?

 

[dotr]

The artist who created the sculptures in the Sherman home is really quite interesting, a close up possibly of the same piece is seen at 9:33 and at the beginning of the video.
Wondering where the art pieces are now?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I now think the Glenn Davis reference is more significant than than I initially thought. Sort of a Freudian slip rather than just an example.

A professional like Idsinga, is fully prepared for press conferences, he has examples, facts and details ready. He also knows what he should not say.

Now for most of us the Glenn Davis case is not top of mind. If Idsinga and his team had discovered that there were significant similarities between the Sherman and Davis, and Idsinga's team had been studying those similarities he would be aware of that. So during the press conference the Davis name just pops out of Idsinga's mouth, because it is top of mind.

Notice how quickly Idsinga implies there are no commonalities. There were a hundred other cases Idsinga could have referred too, but I believe Idsinga had the Davis case on his mind.

Quickly looking at the Davis case, we have a relative who owes the victim much money, who expects upon the death of the victim to have his debts forgiven, and in fact receive more money in the will.
The relative hires a hitman to perform the murder.
Possibly this scenario could fit the Sherman case as well.

It takes the TPS a number of years but they solve the case and they make arrests and get the convictions.

I think you’re right.

BS was financing the businesses of a few people close to him. In the summer of 2017 he settled a case where he had to pay 400 million. Maybe he was reigning back money or scrutinizing the loans?

From a 2011 Globe and Mail article about the Davis murder:

“When Mr. Ross left his job at a bank in 2003, Mr. Davis lent him money to start a business buying and renovating houses. He also moved into an office in Davis Corp.'s building and used its secretarial services for free.

Mr. Ross's venture, Rosshire Enterprises, failed to turn a profit, prosecutors said, but he kept this a secret by cooking the books. So great was Mr. Davis's trust that he never questioned the finances. To extricate himself, Mr. Ross decided to have his relative killed.”

Cousin admits to planning murder of philanthropist Glen Davis

 

[dotr]

End of private investigation into Toronto billionaire murders doesn't mean arrest imminent: Donovan
December 17, 2019
"TORONTO -- The end of a private investigation into the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman should not be mistaken for a sign that an arrest is imminent, according to a journalist who has closely followed the case.

Kevin Donovan, a Toronto Star investigative reporter who has written a book about the murder of the wealthy Toronto couple, told CTV's Your Morning that he suspected Monday's announcement of the investigation ending had more to do with the leads it generated drying up.

"Nothing had gone to the police since July, so it was probably time to finish it up," he said."

They want the people who contacted the private investigator to resubmit their information directly to police, which Donovan ascribed to fears that the information may have undergone "editing" before it was passed along."


"I do suspect we're going to see something in the early part of 2020, unless this case has become a cold case," he said."

 

[MistyWaters]

I think you’re right.

BS was financing the businesses of a few people close to him. In the summer of 2017 he settled a case where he had to pay 400 million. Maybe he was reigning back money or scrutinizing the loans?

From a 2011 Globe and Mail article about the Davis murder:

“When Mr. Ross left his job at a bank in 2003, Mr. Davis lent him money to start a business buying and renovating houses. He also moved into an office in Davis Corp.'s building and used its secretarial services for free.

Mr. Ross's venture, Rosshire Enterprises, failed to turn a profit, prosecutors said, but he kept this a secret by cooking the books. So great was Mr. Davis's trust that he never questioned the finances. To extricate himself, Mr. Ross decided to have his relative killed.”

Cousin admits to planning murder of philanthropist Glen Davis

What a senseless tragedy - more from your link below. The cousin who ordered the killing didn’t benefit from the Will at all, although maybe he’d been promised, who knows. I do agree the Sherman murders reek of vengeance, hatred, and high likelihood money and greed was the root of the evil act, much like the Davis case.

“Marshall Ross was Glen Davis's favourite relative. Mr. Davis, a wealthy businessman and philanthropist, tried to give the younger man a leg-up starting his own company, providing free office space and millions of dollars in loans. The pair were first cousins once removed, but were so close Mr. Ross referred to Mr. Davis as his uncle.....

.......Prosecutors described the slaying as "planned and deliberate." It was also pointless. Mr. Ross was not named in Mr. Davis's will, nor did he receive any control over Davis Corp., which began to probe his accounting.

Days before his arrest, Mr. Ross made a business trip to Cuba and met up with Mr. Smith, who had been living there. What he told Mr. Smith, prosecutors said, was frank: that "having his uncle killed had not been worth it."

 

[casesensitive]

The killer Marshall Ross made sure he wasn't in town when he had his godfather killed. He was at his cottage.

 

[casesensitive]

The artist who created the sculptures in the Sherman home is really quite interesting, a close up possibly of the same piece is seen at 9:33 and at the beginning of the video.
Wondering where the art pieces are now?

KD said in an interview that he thinks the sculptures were in the house when it was demolished.

 

[dotr]

KD said in an interview that he thinks the sculptures were in the house when it was demolished.

Wonder if those sculptures and the one of the woman and the lamb were also checked for fingerprints and DNA?

 

[William_60]

End of private investigation into Toronto billionaire murders doesn't mean arrest imminent: Donovan
December 17, 2019
"TORONTO -- The end of a private investigation into the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman should not be mistaken for a sign that an arrest is imminent, according to a journalist who has closely followed the case.

Kevin Donovan, a Toronto Star investigative reporter who has written a book about the murder of the wealthy Toronto couple, told CTV's Your Morning that he suspected Monday's announcement of the investigation ending had more to do with the leads it generated drying up.

"Nothing had gone to the police since July, so it was probably time to finish it up," he said."

They want the people who contacted the private investigator to resubmit their information directly to police, which Donovan ascribed to fears that the information may have undergone "editing" before it was passed along."


"I do suspect we're going to see something in the early part of 2020, unless this case has become a cold case," he said."

I thought things were warming up on the progress front, albeit slightly.

Can this case really still go cold?

Or is it KD’s way of saying it could hit a major stumbling block?

 

[Windsorite]

Edited: Case Sensitive beat me to the post, duplicate info removed

 

[dotr]

I thought things were warming up on the progress front, albeit slightly.

Can this case really still go cold?

Or is it KD’s way of saying it could hit a major stumbling block?

Not unlike a Charles Dickens story with colourful characters, orphans, plot twists, villains and heroes and wills ect, the Sherman saga is practically a cross between Great Expectations and David Copperfield, imo.
It would not surprise me if KD was already started on The Billionaire Murders Part 2. but hoping if that is so, he will be able to name the killer/s by the end of that book!
speculation, imo.

 

[Number8]

Sorry in advance if this was already discussed in previous threads, but did the police or KD ever say anything about this piece of info from back in March?

29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor?

"While Barry and Honey Sherman lay dead in the basement pool room of their Toronto home a lone man went in and out of their house three times, according to an account of security camera footage seized by Toronto police.

Between 9:11 a.m. and 10:16 a.m. on Thursday, Dec. 14, 2017, the man walked from a four-door sedan parked in front of the Sherman house on Old Colony Rd., appears to enter the Sherman house through the front door, then comes back outside. He does this three times, for a total of 29 minutes inside the Sherman home, before driving off."

Maybe the painters (and just didn't go in the basement)? It was probably nothing sinister, otherwise why would they just hang out and risk being seen/caught on camera, but it makes you think that they might've unknowingly disturbed the scene or destroyed evidence in some way.

 

[ldlager]

Sorry in advance if this was already discussed in previous threads, but did the police or KD ever say anything about this piece of info from back in March?

29 minutes inside Barry and Honey Sherman’s home: Who was the visitor?

"While Barry and Honey Sherman lay dead in the basement pool room of their Toronto home a lone man went in and out of their house three times, according to an account of security camera footage seized by Toronto police.

Between 9:11 a.m. and 10:16 a.m. on Thursday, Dec. 14, 2017, the man walked from a four-door sedan parked in front of the Sherman house on Old Colony Rd., appears to enter the Sherman house through the front door, then comes back outside. He does this three times, for a total of 29 minutes inside the Sherman home, before driving off."

Maybe the painters (and just didn't go in the basement)? It was probably nothing sinister, otherwise why would they just hang out and risk being seen/caught on camera, but it makes you think that they might've unknowingly disturbed the scene or destroyed evidence in some way.

The police have stated they know who this person was and they have spoken to them. The PI's have stated they could not identify the car from the images they viewed form the neighbours camers.

 

[Tobiano8th]

that Davis arrest came out of nowhere.... i think it was near where i lived. it was yonge/eglington, or at least with a mile or so.

i had a vague family connection to Davis, although i hadn't never heard of him at the time. he i think was the son of Nelson Davis, a very famous Canadian business man from way back when.

it seems there's a strong suggestion out there that the police know about the BS/HS perps but need more/better evidence......... like the police said though, take internet chatter FWIW (and i agree on a fairness basis, see Richard Jewell)

i also saw someone saying to google AP if you want to find out "what's going on" ....... i google AP but i don't see anything relating to JS or BS/HS as it relates to any personal matters (other than a charity that JS, FM and AP direct (?)).......

AP is interesting for the ice vest crowd-funding (apparently on dragon's den). and he is a very good looking guy, who posts alot of photos of his impressive physique (i'm not into guys, just stating something obvious)

EDIT: 2 things: 1) i assume it's all the same AP from toronto, 2) if new names have to be approved (or there are standards to bring in a new name), moderators plz delate the comment.

 

[Tobiano8th]

the car/person outside the house (3 times?) the day after the murders and before the discovery has been investigated and explained benignly (not publicly) by the police

contractor or realtor makes sense...... but like i said, the police know who it was and presumably why