Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #13

[Tobiano8th]

the car/person outside the house (3 times?) the day after the murders and before the discovery has been investigated and explained benignly (not publicly) by the police

 

[Tobiano8th]

whose comment is this from the Toronto Star article......

"I do suspect we're going to see something in the early part of 2020, unless this case has become a cold case," he said."

 

[Tobiano8th]

KD or police mentioned (book? or around that time?) that police have working theory and have had very significant progress.

i made this comment before, but i did wonder if the police said things to the judge mostly based on not wanting to release large amounts of info to the media. ie. they fudged their comments

 

[dotr]

#GlobalNews
Barry and Honey Sherman: The unsolved murder of a billionaire couple
•Dec 17, 2019

 

[William_60]

Posing/positioning of the bodies may have a message in it I can’t interpret, but I do think the undercurrent of it says: “I’m in control now.”

 

[dotr]

Posing/positioning of the bodies may have a message in it I can’t interpret, but I do think the undercurrent of it says: “I’m in control now.”

rbbm.
The rarity of "unusual" [corrected] dispositions of victim bodies: staging and posing. - PubMed - NCBI
"The act of leaving a victim's body in an unusual position is a conscious criminal action by an offender to thwart an investigation, shock the finder and investigators of the crime scene, or give perverted pleasure to the killer. The unusual position concepts of posing and staging a murder victim have been documented thoroughly and have been accepted by the courts as a definable phenomenon. One staging case and one posing case are outlined and reveal characteristics of those homicides. From the Washington State Attorney General's Homicide Investigation and Tracking System's database on murder covering the years 1981-2000 (a total of 5,224 cases), the relative frequency of unusual body dispositions is revealed as a very rare occurrence. Only 1.3% of victims are left in an unusual position, with 0.3% being posed and 0.1% being staged. The characteristics of these types of murders also set them apart: compared to all other murders, in staged murders the victims and killers are, on average, older. All victims and offenders in the staged murders are white, with victims being disproportionately white in murders with any kind of unusual body disposition. Likewise, females stand out as victims when the body is posed, staged, or left in other unusual positions. Whereas posed bodies are more likely to include sexual assault, often in serial murders, there is no evidence of either in the staged cases. Lastly, when a body is left in an unusual position, binding is more likely, as well as the use of more "hands on" means of killing the victim, such as stabbing or cutting weapons, bludgeons, ligatures, or hands and feet."

 

[nuff]

Or is it KD’s way of saying it could hit a major stumbling block?

Or is it KD's way of saying he's run out of bits of information to produce new articles. (Sorry to be a cynic.)

 

[ldlager]

The killer Marshall Ross made sure he wasn't in town when he had his godfather killed. He was at his cottage.

Wow, that’s got to be more than coincidence!!

 

[ldlager]

that Davis arrest came out of nowhere.... i think it was near where i lived. it was yonge/eglington, or at least with a mile or so.

i had a vague family connection to Davis, although i hadn't never heard of him at the time. he i think was the son of Nelson Davis, a very famous Canadian business man from way back when.

it seems there's a strong suggestion out there that the police know about the BS/HS perps but need more/better evidence......... like the police said though, take internet chatter FWIW (and i agree on a fairness basis, see Richard Jewell)

i also saw someone saying to google AP if you want to find out "what's going on" ....... i google AP but i don't see anything relating to JS or BS/HS as it relates to any personal matters (other than a charity that JS, FM and AP direct (?)).......

AP is interesting for the ice vest crowd-funding (apparently on dragon's den). and he is a very good looking guy, who posts alot of photos of his impressive physique (i'm not into guys, just stating something obvious)

EDIT: 2 things: 1) i assume it's all the same AP from toronto, 2) if new names have to be approved (or there are standards to bring in a new name), moderators plz delate the comment.

I believe it has been established here that the AP you are referring to is not the same AP who is the business partner of JS.

But the “right” AP is, in my view, a person of interest in this case.

 

[ldlager]

KD reported extensively on JS’s correspondence with his father, including JS criticizing BS for his financial dealings and Barry’s advances to FD. JS was evidently requesting hundreds of millions of dollars from his father to invest in cottage country properties. As I recall, BArry indicated his cash flow was tight at that time, and suggested JS use his existing assets to get conventional financing from a bank.
Not to point out the obvious, and not to be too graphic, but Couldn’t Barry’s response be construed by some as telling JS to “tighten his belt”? Do others see the connection between this and the belts used to hold the bodies up?

 

[William_60]

KD reported extensively on JS’s correspondence with his father, including JS criticizing BS for his financial dealings and Barry’s advances to FD. JS was evidently requesting hundreds of millions of dollars from his father to invest in cottage country properties. As I recall, BArry indicated his cash flow was tight at that time, and suggested JS use his existing assets to get conventional financing from a bank.
Not to point out the obvious, and not to be too graphic, but Couldn’t Barry’s response be construed by some as telling JS to “tighten his belt”? Do others see the connection between this and the belts used to hold the bodies up?

Hadn’t thought of it, but it’s possible.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

What a senseless tragedy - more from your link below. The cousin who ordered the killing didn’t benefit from the Will at all, although maybe he’d been promised, who knows. I do agree the Sherman murders reek of vengeance, hatred, and high likelihood money and greed was the root of the evil act, much like the Davis case.

“Marshall Ross was Glen Davis's favourite relative. Mr. Davis, a wealthy businessman and philanthropist, tried to give the younger man a leg-up starting his own company, providing free office space and millions of dollars in loans. The pair were first cousins once removed, but were so close Mr. Ross referred to Mr. Davis as his uncle.....

.......Prosecutors described the slaying as "planned and deliberate." It was also pointless. Mr. Ross was not named in Mr. Davis's will, nor did he receive any control over Davis Corp., which began to probe his accounting.

Days before his arrest, Mr. Ross made a business trip to Cuba and met up with Mr. Smith, who had been living there. What he told Mr. Smith, prosecutors said, was frank: that "having his uncle killed had not been worth it."

I don’t think I’ve read about anyone in this case who received financing from BS who went on to build a successful business, repay him with interest, thank him and ask BS how they could help *him* with anything to return the favour.

Joel Ulster’s sons seem to have appreciated BS’s help and they did well, but they seem to be the exception.

 

[Tobiano8th]

I believe it has been established here that the AP you are referring to is not the same AP who is the business partner of JS.

But the “right” AP is, in my view, a person of interest in this case.

ldlager, thx............... 2 AP's and 2 JS's, who would have thought?

 

[William_60]

I don’t think I’ve read about anyone in this case who received financing from BS who went on to build a successful business, repay him with interest, thank him and ask BS how they could help *him* with anything to return the favour.

Joel Ulster’s sons seem to have appreciated BS’s help and they did well, but they seem to be the exception.

Hate to sound naive, but a sense of entitlement runs like a river through this entire story, not always with negative connotations, but in various forms, appearing, it seems, with every major chapter.

Entitlement just may ultimately top hate as the most powerful force - The Motive - for the murders.

 

[nuff]

Entitlement just may ultimately top hate as the most powerful force - The Motive - for the murders.

Misplaced and disappointed entitlement, leading to hatred. And/or, assuming more than one person responsible, the individual motives could differ.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Who would or could reasonably know the details of the Sherman's wills and identities of the beneficiaries ?
1) HS and Barry Sherman (they may or may not have known details about each other's wills)
2) The lawyers that drafted the wills and possibly staff in their offices
3) The Sherman children
4) Other Sherman family members
5) Perhaps a senior executive at Apotex (JK) or Sherfam (AG)
6) Someone that the persons listed in 3) or 4) or 5) could have told

Who stood to seemingly benefit financially from the murders?
Group 1 - no
Group 2- no
Group 3- possibly
Group 4- possibly
Group 5- unlikely - plus I think these individuals were highly trusted by BS
Group 6- possibly (if they were associated with someone in Group 3 or Group 4 and would/could benefit from individuals in Groups 3 or 4 inheriting).

IMO, if this case is linked to inheritance/financial benefit from the murders, the number of potential suspects would seem to be quite low.

I would add:
BS' best friend, HS' best friend (if not family like MS).
Someone, with whom HS schemed how to spend her money, if she one day would become a wealthy widow.
The architects of the new mansion, built in HER name AFAIK. Maybe, there was talk about some future asset relationships?
HS told someone, how much $ she would cost her husband to divorce her (forgot the sum atm). Maybe, she spoke often about $$ frankly?
Only brainstorming!

 

[nuff]

I keep remembering that the award of costs to BS for the cousins' lawsuit was just a week before the murders. Wonder if TPS has looked at connections/ communications between them and other family members?

 

[William_60]

From a Kevin Donovan piece, April 25, 2019:


The Toronto police homicide squad has a working theory in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder case and detectives have “an idea of what happened,” one of the lead investigators told a court Wednesday.

It’s the first public indication in the 16 months since the billionaire Apotex founder and his wife were strangled that the police are getting somewhere. The detective also told an Ontario Court of Justice hearing that within a week, police are expecting a “high volume” of electronic records they have been trying to obtain since January, and that at least one person they want to interview has refused to speak to police. Others they want to speak to may have left the country or simply cannot be located, the investigator told court.

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Has any of the above changed in the almost eight months since publication?

Is the theory holding up? Or has it fundamentally changed?

More production orders...

I guess I’m hoping the working theory was supported by enough data to remain viable and the latest orders were issued to strengthen and verify it.

A new theory doesn’t spell doom for investigators but it is a tedious process, building a case...

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Just found this and think, it is remarkable (not for the case).
Today, a huge black fence of plywood and spray-paint lines the lot on the sidewalk side. Cut into the boards, on either end of the lot, are two peepholes framed with thick red tape. If you bend down and peer through them, what you’ll see is a rectangle of tree-lined emptiness. There are no foundations, no signs of the pool, no hints of the lives the Shermans once led or of who ended them or why.

Sherman murder investigation: 243 witnesses interviewed by police, zero arrests

 

[rickcross]

From a Kevin Donovan piece, April 25, 2019:


The Toronto police homicide squad has a working theory in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder case and detectives have “an idea of what happened,” one of the lead investigators told a court Wednesday.

I found it interesting that given the above statement, the detective that did the press conference said there are a number of theories. I never trust what LE tells the public, many times at the end of the day it turns out to be BS or just plain wrong.