Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #13

[Satchie]

What you recall about the falling out is the only thing I have read in the media. Barry was quoted as saying the same in an interview, or at court..I'll try to find the quote after Christmas.

I'm thinking along the lines of the recent Ontario case, the 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' suit filed by Eleanor McCain, claiming her marriage should be annulled. That claim, IMO, was a pile of hooey, of course the marriage was perfectly valid. The real reason for the lawsuit, in my opinion, was to make public all sorts of allegations about her husband, which couldn't otherwise be printed by the media, and thereby blacken his reputation. It also allowed her to negotiate down the $5 million settlement she'd agreed to in the prenup she'd signed. The actual lawsuit was just a cover story for a different agenda: revenge.

 

[William_60]

The whole "deprived of our rightful inheritance when we were children" argument never had the slightest legal chance to succeed, and lawyers must have advised that. Could it have maybe just been a faint hope delay tactic to avoid ever having to pay back the $8 million? Did they hope to get Barry to settle out of court by dropping the $8 million in loans suit?

The Winters suit had the key advantage of giving BS some very bad publicity, implying that he'd become rich by stealing from orphans: a decidedly Dickensian story. That can't have been pleasant for Honey or the kids, even if Barry didn't care. IMO most people like the Shermans would have settled to keep it quiet: $8 million was peanuts to them. I wonder how the rest of the family felt about Barry's determination to fight it through to the end.

Public shaming was the primary goal, IMO. If there was a sizeable and growing rift, what other recourse was there?

A mending of fences...was an option that appears to have been unwanted or out of reach.

MistyWaters is quite right, if my recollection is correct: Honey did or said things to (help) set a very different set of wheels in motion.

But Honey’s words or actions might not have been the proverbial first shot across the bow.

There has not, to my knowledge, been a detailed two-sided account of this, and for all we know, it could explain a lot of things.

 

[Satchie]

Other than KW declaring he wasn’t called in for an interview until Feb/18, do we know that for a fact? IIRC there was an issue about his truthfulness or accurate recollect regarding his story about Barry in prior years asking him to hire a hit man to murder Honey.

I pledge I’m a natural-born sceptic but I don’t think it’s possible to believe 100% of what we’re told about this case through the media....or any case for that matter.

What Idsinga said —

“I’ve said it in other investigations and I’ll say this in this investigation: If you don’t hear it from the primary investigator’s mouth or the major case manager’s mouth, then you’ve got to take everything with a grain of salt,” he said.”
Sherman murder investigation: 243 witnesses interviewed by police, zero arrests

Also, everyone knows police aren't going to say who they have or haven't interviewed, they're not going to issue corrections to anything the media have published : that would reveal too much about the investigation.

 

[nuff]

KW was, of course, only one of the parties in the lawsuit. We've heard little about the others and their reactions.

 

[rickcross]

How sad and strange, wonder if somebody added the peepholes?

Fine Art America

If you have to bend down to look through them, they aren't peepholes lol.

 

[dotr]

Re post
Barry Sherman's legal battle with his cousins goes on weeks after his murder - Macleans.ca
Winning $300,000 in costs from his relatives apparently wasn’t enough. The day after his memorial, the drug tycoon’s lawyers appealed for more than three times that amount.
by Michael Friscolanti and Anne Kingston
Feb 8, 2018
"While Jordan Berman, an Apotex spokesman, said he can’t discuss active litigation, the timing of the appeal is telling: it suggests that one of the last things Sherman did while he was still alive was to instruct his lawyers to continue battling, in the province’s highest court, to have his cousins reimburse a much bigger chunk of his legal bills".

"Toronto lawyer Brad Teplitsky, who represented three of the four plaintiffs, argued in his reply that $900,000 is “punitive and beyond the reasonable expectations of any party,” especially considering that none of the cousins did anything “in their conduct which would warrant an award on that scale.” An order of $150,000 would be reasonable, he countered.

When Justice Hood issued his handwritten endorsement on Dec. 6, he ordered the cousins to pay $300,000—double what the brothers suggested they should pay, but less than one-third of the amount Sherman’s lawyers were hoping to collect.

“I am unable to find that in pursuing their claim the plaintiffs engaged in such reprehensible, scandalous or outrageous conduct to warrant substantial indemnity costs being awarded against them,” Hood wrote. “An award of costs of this scale is reserved for special and rare circumstances.” In fact, Hood concluded that some of costs submitted by Sherman’s lawyers were “simply excessive,” including claims for taxis, staff overtime, and parking."

Apotex founder hits hard in legal family feud
Published October 26, 2007 Updated April 26, 2018 rbbm.
In the deposition, he said the family dispute arose around 2002. Mr. Winter accused him of being "involved in some conspiracy to murder their father and deprive them of their inheritance in the 1960s."

Mr. Sherman said he was "totally flabbergasted at this untrue allegation."

 

[MistyWaters]

I really don't see why KW would lie about the date he was called in for an interview with TPS. This was before we knew much about the investigation, or the PI's determination that it was a double murder, and before their claim that TPS had screwed up.

In other words, he made a simple statement of when he went in, and it was me who drew attention to it and used it as negative toward TPS. Blame me --not Kerry for slamming LE, who you defend against all evidence. JMO

I can’t think of one explanation for how would one be told they were not a suspect prior to speaking with police? It’s not as if a list is published by TPS.

“Winter said he planned to meet police for an interview and that he was told he was not a suspect.”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-sherman-cousin-1.4514176

 

[MistyWaters]

The whole "deprived of our rightful inheritance when we were children" argument never had the slightest legal chance to succeed, and lawyers must have advised that. Could it have maybe just been a faint hope delay tactic to avoid ever having to pay back the $8 million? Did they hope to get Barry to settle out of court by dropping the $8 million in loans suit?

The Winters suit had the key advantage of giving BS some very bad publicity, implying that he'd become rich by stealing from orphans: a decidedly Dickensian story. That can't have been pleasant for Honey or the kids, even if Barry didn't care. IMO most people like the Shermans would have settled to keep it quiet: $8 million was peanuts to them. I wonder how the rest of the family felt about Barry's determination to fight it through to the end.

My thoughts as well.

There’s been significant media reporting about the cousins’ ongoing courtroom battles taking place over more than a decade but very little about the ruling being contingent on KW’s requirement to repay $8 million and how that came to be directly involved in the legal decision. Is the Sherman Estate still pursuing collection of the outstanding debt...we don’t know.

“As part of the court's decision, Winter not only lost his claim on his cousin's fortune, but he was also ordered to pay Sherman back $8 million. Just a week before the Shermans were found dead, a court ordered Winter and his siblings to pay Sherman $300,000 in legal costs.”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-sherman-cousin-1.4514176

 

[rickcross]

I can’t think of one explanation for how would one be told they were not a suspect prior to speaking with police? It’s not as if a list is published by TPS.

“Winter said he planned to meet police for an interview and that he was told he was not a suspect.”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/barry-sherman-cousin-1.4514176

I would assume they say that to people to put them at ease. In a case like this, anybody that knew Barry & Honey are suspects until they can actually be cleared. As Kerry had no concrete alibi (most single people wouldn't) I would assume that he will never be completely off the list, but likely LE considered him to be honest and forthcoming in his interview. That said, Kerry was the obvious suspect. I would think that if he was actually involved, that LE would have had him locked up by now. Two years is more than enough time to get enough evidence on someone like him. I have no belief whatsoever that he had anything to do with this.

 

[human]

I know what I would do if someone I had been kind to and had given millions to even though they wasted it said the horrible things Kerry did. I would bring him to court and let him suffer the consequences.

Can you even imagine giving millions to drug addicts and then one for sure disparages you?

Disgusting

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Very long article in the Daily Mail where both Kerry Winter and Frank D’Angelo are directly quoted.

“Now in a last-ditch attempt to get the justice he says he (Kerry Winter) deserves, he told DailyMail.com, he is taking his fight to the Supreme Court of Canada.

He said, 'That money is cursed and sometimes the sins of the father are visited on the children.

'If my father had lived Barry would have been a brother to me. When he died Barry should have looked over me and my brothers, but he didn't. He took what was ours and he lied to us for years.

'Everything was built on a lie and I can never, never forgive him for that. I hated him for that and now it's his children who have to pay.

'They thought it was over but I'm taking my case to the Supreme Court of Canada. They want to sell the company, but they can't because I've got a 20 per cent lien on it.' “

.....
(KW ) ‘I'm not sorry they're dead. I'm only sorry I'm not the one who did it.'

But (Frank) D'Angelo described a very different man and a very different marriage. He admitted, 'I had a few run-ins with Honey. She wore the pantalones in the relationship. But Barry loved her.'

And in stark contrast to Winter not only is D'Angelo confident that police will make an arrest, he is confident that they will do so soon and that they have a single suspect - a person who Sherman knew and trusted to the very end - squarely in their sights.”



Billionaire couple found 'murdered' discussed pledging their fortune to philanthropy campaign | Daily Mail Online

 

[Satchie]

Apotex founder hits hard in legal family feud
Published October 26, 2007 Updated April 26, 2018 rbbm.
In the deposition, he said the family dispute arose around 2002. Mr. Winter accused him of being "involved in some conspiracy to murder their father and deprive them of their inheritance in the 1960s."

Mr. Sherman said he was "totally flabbergasted at this untrue allegation."

RSBM and respectfully re-bolded by me.

Wow, thanks for that Dotr!

From what I know about feuds, there was likely some words or action on the Sherman side that triggered this "alleged allegation".

 

[MistyWaters]

Very long article in the Daily Mail where both Kerry Winter and Frank D’Angelo are directly quoted.

“Now in a last-ditch attempt to get the justice he says he (Kerry Winter) deserves, he told DailyMail.com, he is taking his fight to the Supreme Court of Canada.

He said, 'That money is cursed and sometimes the sins of the father are visited on the children.

'If my father had lived Barry would have been a brother to me. When he died Barry should have looked over me and my brothers, but he didn't. He took what was ours and he lied to us for years.

'Everything was built on a lie and I can never, never forgive him for that. I hated him for that and now it's his children who have to pay.

'They thought it was over but I'm taking my case to the Supreme Court of Canada. They want to sell the company, but they can't because I've got a 20 per cent lien on it.' “

.....
(KW ) ‘I'm not sorry they're dead. I'm only sorry I'm not the one who did it.'

But (Frank) D'Angelo described a very different man and a very different marriage. He admitted, 'I had a few run-ins with Honey. She wore the pantalones in the relationship. But Barry loved her.'

And in stark contrast to Winter not only is D'Angelo confident that police will make an arrest, he is confident that they will do so soon and that they have a single suspect - a person who Sherman knew and trusted to the very end - squarely in their sights.”

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Billionaire couple found 'murdered' discussed pledging their fortune to philanthropy campaign | Daily Mail Online

Some of the statements KW has made to the media are totally bizarre. From your quote, as “KW’s” intention to take the failed civil suit to the Supreme Court never occurred, I wonder in what way he thinks it’s Barry’s “children who have to pay”. And why should they have to pay? In his fixation over money it seems he’s unable to empathize with the fact the Sherman children have already personally paid through the sudden loss of both their parents because it seems to him their lives had no value beyond $$$$$$$.

“Everything was built on a lie and I can never, never forgive him for that. I hated him for that and now it's his children who have to pay.

'They thought it was over but I'm taking my case to the Supreme Court of Canada. They want to sell the company, but they can't because I've got a 20 per cent lien on it.'...”

 

[dotr]

This unrelated news item reminded me that the Shermans had used surrogate(s) to produce 3 of their 4 children.
Wondering if those 3 each have a different birth/ egg mother and if she/they know about the murders, are there any other siblings , do they know about the S family?
Were the rules about payment different then, or have they changed?
Surprised that BS and not HS, was helping JS and his husband with the surrogacy process.
Rbbm, speculation, imo.
Search for egg donor sheds light on Canadian fertility laws
Dec 19, 2019
"A poster hung at the University of Toronto purportedly by a couple looking for an egg donor has raised eyebrows on campus and shed light on a loophole in Canada’s changing fertility laws.

The sign, which was spotted by a CityNews viewer in multiple locations at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education (OISE), said it was advertising on behalf of a couple in their mid-30s looking for the perfect person to help them start a family. There are 10 criteria listed for the potential egg donor, among them: willing to take IVF hormones, regular periods, and a U of T student."
"On the poster, the pair describe themselves as an interracial gay couple and working professionals. They promise to fully reimburse the donor for expenses and lost wages, adding that they would have “lifelong unwavering support and gratitude.”

"However, the government’s new laws don’t mention paying egg and sperm donors, which is currently punishable by ten years in prison or a fine."

The mystery of the strangled billionaires
"The couple had four children, three through surrogacy after Honey had a series of miscarriages."
LEVY: Mourning billionaire philanthropists Barry and Honey Sherman
"You could hear a pin drop as he spoke of how his dad had helped him and his husband, Fred, “through the long and expensive path of surrogacy” and of his mom’s determination to perform in a Dancing with the Stars fundraiser for the Baycrest Foundation even though she reminded him of a “bionic woman” with so many replacement parts."

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Apotex founder hits hard in legal family feud
Published October 26, 2007 Updated April 26, 2018 rbbm.
In the deposition, he said the family dispute arose around 2002. Mr. Winter accused him of being "involved in some conspiracy to murder their father and deprive them of their inheritance in the 1960s."

Mr. Sherman said he was "totally flabbergasted at this untrue allegation."

Respectfully snipped by me.

I’d say that’s it: you found the turning point, dotr.

ETA: LW was manufacturing generic aspirin at the time of his death. I wondered if there could be any link between his brain hemorrhage and his product. (Either using it or long-term exposure to it in the manufacturing process.)

What to know about aspirin and the risks for bleeding on the brain

 

[rickcross]

I know what I would do if someone I had been kind to and had given millions to even though they wasted it said the horrible things Kerry did. I would bring him to court and let him suffer the consequences.

Can you even imagine giving millions to drug addicts and then one for sure disparages you?

Disgusting

You don't know the full story. I know Barry won in court, that doesn't mean that he didn't purposely screw those orphans. Only Barry knows that and he's not talking. KW is upset, and from what I've heard it's more about the memory of his father than it is about money. Was Barry a nice guy? That seems debatable as well. Perhaps if these two guys had had the capacity to sit down and talk about it, things could have been worked out. But money does very weird things to people, and I think this is very evident in Barry Sherman. IMO the promissory note for KWs 8 million is nothing more than a way to keep Kerry under his thumb. Don't cause any problems and you never have to repay. Speak your mind and you are cut off. Same situation likely applied to FDA. In KWs case, Barry could have taken the million he spent on the court case and simply built a monument to Kerry's father outside of Apotex, but something tells me that Barry's ego would never allow for such a display of gratitude to the person who put him on the path to success. I think we can all agree that without Kerry's father, there simply is no Barry Sherman and no Apotex.

So go easy on KW, I suspect he's had a rougher life than you and I could ever imagine.

 

[rickcross]

Respectfully snipped by me.

I’d say that’s it: you found the turning point, dotr.

ETA: LW was manufacturing generic aspirin at the time of his death. I wondered if there could be any link between his brain hemorrhage and his product. (Either using it or long-term exposure to it in the manufacturing process.)

What to know about aspirin and the risks for bleeding on the brain

That is what Barry said happened. I'm sure like every other dispute, there's Barry's side, there's Kerry's side, and there is the truth.

 

[Tighthead]

Some of the statements KW has made to the media are totally bizarre. From your quote, as “KW’s” intention to take the failed civil suit to the Supreme Court never occurred, I wonder in what way he thinks it’s Barry’s “children who have to pay”. And why should they have to pay? In his fixation over money it seems he’s unable to empathize with the fact the Sherman children have already personally paid through the sudden loss of both their parents because it seems to him their lives had no value beyond $$$$$$$.

“Everything was built on a lie and I can never, never forgive him for that. I hated him for that and now it's his children who have to pay.

'They thought it was over but I'm taking my case to the Supreme Court of Canada. They want to sell the company, but they can't because I've got a 20 per cent lien on it.'...”

In what sense did the appeal to the SCC never occur?

Supreme Court of Canada - SCC Case Information - Docket - 38899

Looks like an attempt to move forward.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

You don't know the full story. I know Barry won in court, that doesn't mean that he didn't purposely screw those orphans. Only Barry knows that and he's not talking. KW is upset, and from what I've heard it's more about the memory of his father than it is about money. Was Barry a nice guy? That seems debatable as well. Perhaps if these two guys had had the capacity to sit down and talk about it, things could have been worked out. But money does very weird things to people, and I think this is very evident in Barry Sherman. IMO the promissory note for KWs 8 million is nothing more than a way to keep Kerry under his thumb. Don't cause any problems and you never have to repay. Speak your mind and you are cut off. Same situation likely applied to FDA. In KWs case, Barry could have taken the million he spent on the court case and simply built a monument to Kerry's father outside of Apotex, but something tells me that Barry's ego would never allow for such a display of gratitude to the person who put him on the path to success. I think we can all agree that without Kerry's father, there simply is no Barry Sherman and no Apotex.

So go easy on KW, I suspect he's had a rougher life than you and I could ever imagine.

KW alone received $8 million plus from BS and inherited his biological family’s trust fund. Has KW or his siblings created a memorial or donation in his name for Louis Winter? Did Louis Winter in his lifetime make sizeable charitable donations?

ETA: Corrected spelling.

 

[dotr]

Had he lived, LW no doubt would be at least as successful as BS, imo, wonder if he would have remained on good terms with BS or if they would have become competitive with one another?
Louis Lloyd Winter - Wikipedia
This page was last edited on 16 November 2019
"Louis Winter was the youngest of six children. He attended Jarvis Collegiate Institute in Toronto where he made the honour roll. He was accepted into the biochemistry program at the University of Toronto, and graduated with a master's degree in the subject. In 1948 he borrowed $10,000 from his father Abraham, and opened his first venture, Winter Laboratories. The business was based in the family's garage processing blood work and pregnancy tests for local pharmacies, doctors' offices and medical clinics. With just his school mate, Toby Johansen, to handle initial sales, the company quickly outgrew its space and moved into a house near the University of Toronto's main campus. The business continued to expand; Winter Laboratories leased the basement of the Mothercraft Building on Bloor Street, where Rochdale College was built in 1968."

"Louis Winter soon had to expand his operations and purchased a larger five-story building from the Reichmann family, the former Planter's Peanut factory at 301 Lansdowne Avenue, just two blocks from Empire's current base on Florence Street, and he added additional production, including a synthesis laboratory on the top floor for the manufacturing of saccharine, the low-calorie sweetener. Winter also purchased a printing facility which he renamed Professional Printing Services Limited from the Mount family in 1963 that was originally located at 1389 Weston Road, Toronto, and Walter and Peter Mount became Empire employees. Empire Laboratories could then provide all its independent pharmacies from coast to coast with customized prescription delivery bags, point-of-purchase displays, posters, and signage as a loyalty incentive, in an era prior to the dominance of national chain drug stores. Empire also provided medical practitioners with complimentary stationary and prescription pads. To offset these marketing costs, Empire's printing division also retained dedicated print brokers and a couple of sales representatives to ensure that the division did not operate at a loss, and it processed all of the company's product labels and plant packaging.

The Empire pharmaceutical operation became diversified and expanded, and it became one of Canada's largest pharmaceutical companies with over 100 products in its 1964 product catalog. Empire was the first Canadian firm to license and manufacture popular medications like Valium (diazepam), Orinase (tolbutamide) and Tetracyn (tetracycline). The United States market was becoming a greater focus, and the U.S. military became a client, and a special manufacturing facility was being built in Puerto Rico under PRIDCO (Puerto Rico Industrial Development Company) to ship products tariff free to the US Mainland. Lou Winter also invested in Vanguard Medical Supplies, the first Canadian mail-order based pharmaceutical business with Israel Kerzner and Murray Rubin, to service rural regions via catalog mail order, and Professional Printing Services handled all of the catalog production."