Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #13

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Inspector if your theory of js being involved is correct, imo we should be thanking KW for pursuing his lawsuit. That has potentially delayed the sale of the company, and kept js from leaving the country with his share of the estate. Just conjecture on my part, based on your assertions as to js involvement. Imo

Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.”

If I had told you that an over-the-hill Beer Leaguer with a Kidney transplant who drives a Zamboni for a living was going to suit up for an NHL game and defeat the Toronto Maple Leafs would you have believed me?

Reality doesn't follow logic. Crazy people / SocioPaths can't be trusted because they don't see the world like normal people or behave like normal people.

I know there's an arrest coming soon. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess.
 
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In layman’s terms does that mean the five media outlets get to provide supporting arguments for Kevin Donovan’s side, and the two Attorney Generals get to speak on behalf of the Estate’s side?

I wonder too. As the only information is “Motion to Intervene” it’s impossible to know for sure, other than the obvious - the other media outlets. And because a Sealing Order is already in place I’d be surprised if the March 26th hearing will be webcast.

Supreme Court of Canada - Scheduled Hearings
 
  • #663
Inspector if your theory of js being involved is correct, imo we should be thanking KW for pursuing his lawsuit. That has potentially delayed the sale of the company, and kept js from leaving the country with his share of the estate. Just conjecture on my part, based on your assertions as to js involvement. Imo

Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.”

If I had told you that an over-the-hill Beer Leaguer with a Kidney transplant who drives a Zamboni for a living was going to suit up for an NHL game and defeat the Toronto Maple Leafs would you have believed me?

Reality doesn't follow logic. Crazy people / SocioPaths can't be trusted because they don't see the world like normal people or behave like normal people.

I know there's an arrest coming soon. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess.
Not trying to be that guy, but do you have a link for this? There have been people on this board that have been reported and booted for posting insider information without links that might have supported a murder suicide theory, yet it seems the powers that be here are willing to overlook the rules so long as the person's theory jibes with their own?


Yes, I'll dig up the link for you.

Just to be clear. Barry's will specifies 4 Trustees/Executors. We don't know all the contents of the will but we do know the names of the Executors as their names are not subject to the ban.

Barry's will has 4 executors and Apotex has 4 Board Members. Jack Kay no longer attends so for all intents and purposes both entities have 3 members.

J/K
J/S
B/K
A/G
Barry Sherman’s son tells Apotex CEO to leave | The Star
PressReader.com - Your favorite newspapers and magazines.

Hope this helps.
 
  • #664
In layman’s terms does that mean the five media outlets get to provide supporting arguments for Kevin Donovan’s side, and the two Attorney Generals get to speak on behalf of the Estate’s side?


No

The real issue is about the rule of law and Sealed courtrooms which are anathema to democracy and freedom. On a Prima Facie level, this is about the Sherman estates.
While everyone and there brother is piling onto the court proceeding it the open court

The virtues of openness were discussed by the Supreme Court of Canada in A.G. Nova Scotia v. MacIntyre which quoted eighteenth-century philosopher Jeremy Bentham:

In the darkness of secrecy, sinister interest and evil in every shape have full swing. Only in proportion as publicity has place can any of the checks applicable to judicial injustice operate. Where there is no publicity there is no justice. Publicity is the very soul of justice. It is the keenest spur to exertion and the surest of all guards against improbity. It keeps the judge himself while trying under trial.
As noted by the Supreme Court of Canada in Vancouver Sun (Re), the open court principle enhances the public's confidence in the justice system:

Public access to the courts guarantees the integrity of judicial processes by demonstrating "that justice is administered in a non-arbitrary manner, according to the rule of law". Openness is necessary to maintain the independence and impartiality of courts. It is integral to public confidence in the justice system and the public's understanding of the administration of justice. Moreover, openness is a principal component of the legitimacy of the judicial process and why the parties and the public at large abide by the decisions of courts.
The open court principle is linked to the freedom of expression and freedom of the press which include the right of the public to receive information. The press plays a vital role as the conduit through which the public receives information regarding the operation of public institutions.

Canadian legislation
Section 135(1) of the Courts of Justice Act (Ontario) states the general principle that "all court hearings shall be open to the public".

Subsection 486(1) of the Criminal Code states: "Any proceedings against an accused shall be held in open court, but where the presiding judge, provincial court judge or justice, as the case may be, is of the opinion that it is in the interest of public morals, the maintenance of order or the proper administration of justice to exclude all or any members of the public from the court room for all or part of the proceedings, he may so order."

Canadian jurisprudence
Vancouver Sun (Re)[edit]
Main article: Vancouver Sun (Re)
In 2004, the Vancouver Sun newspaper successfully argued that certain court proceedings in relation to the Air India terrorist attack should be open to the public. Section 83.28 of the Criminal Code allows the exclusion of the public and media from certain court proceedings in relation to terrorism offences.

I widely expect the SCC to affirm the open court principles.
 
  • #665
I wonder too. As the only information is “Motion to Intervene” it’s impossible to know for sure, other than the obvious - the other media outlets. And because a Sealing Order is already in place I’d be surprised if the March 26th hearing will be webcast.

Supreme Court of Canada - Scheduled Hearings

Just my opinion, but there must be something very interesting in the Estate files that Kevin Donovan already knows about.

Five other media outlets involved now. I wonder if they can live-tweet about the hearing.
 
  • #666
I'm personally all for free speech and a free press and I have no issues with KD. It's just hard to believe that police wouldn't have easily come to the same double homicide verdict, without help from the press. Even harder to believe that a member of that same police force would admit to such a thing. So I was just wanting to confirm that's what you were saying. imo.

I take it you've heard of project innocence?

Or seen Denzel Washinton's movie about Reuben Hurricane Carter? <modsnip: generalized bashing of LE is not allowed>
 
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I take it you've heard of project innocence?

Or seen Denzel Washinton's movie about Reuben Hurricane Carter? <modsnip: generalized bashing of LE is not allowed>

Perhaps you might clear this up for me - are you suggesting you think an innocent person is going to be charged with double homicide of the Shermans?
 
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Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.”

If I had told you that an over-the-hill Beer Leaguer with a Kidney transplant who drives a Zamboni for a living was going to suit up for an NHL game and defeat the Toronto Maple Leafs would you have believed me?

Reality doesn't follow logic. Crazy people / SocioPaths can't be trusted because they don't see the world like normal people or behave like normal people.

I know there's an arrest coming soon. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess.

Actually because it’s the Leafs it doesn’t surprise me in the least.....
 
  • #669
Perhaps you might clear this up for me - are you suggesting you think an innocent person is going to be charged with double homicide of the Shermans?

No

The police initially wanted to deem this as a M/S and close the file quickly.

I pointed out that police make mistakes all the time.

Since K/D got involved it put TPS on notice and they put Senior Homicide officers back on the case.

<modsnip: direct accusation against person not officially named by LE to be a POI/suspect>
 
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No

The police initially wanted to deem this as a M/S and close the file quickly.

I pointed out that police make mistakes all the time.

Since K/D got involved it put TPS on notice and they put Senior Homicide officers back on the case.

As stated, TPS will be arresting J/S for the murder of his parents. I do not know how Adam Paulin was involved but he is working on an immunity deal.
I know that gutless Jon did not use his own hands to kill his parents as he's a coward but he did order the hit and pay for it to be done.

If this was a case of Trial by Media, KW probably would’ve got convicted after his appearance on CBC’s Fifth Estate. I’m curious how you think KD has the power to put Senior Homicide officers back on this case? What’s the difference between CBC and The Star, they’re both MSM? This is a high profile unsolved murder - the media always uses whatever story it can, looking for ratings. But I wasn’t aware TPS ever quit its investigation or turned it over to the media to do the job.
 
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If this was a case of Trial by Media, KW probably would’ve got convicted after his appearance on CBC’s Fifth Estate. I’m curious how you think KD has the power to put Senior Homicide officers back on this case? What’s the difference between CBC and The Star, they’re both MSM? This is a high profile unsolved murder - the media always uses whatever story it can, looking for ratings. But I wasn’t aware TPS ever quit its investigation or turned it over to the media to do the job.

Dear Misty Waters

I take it you don't understand the power of the press? Does the me2 movement or Harvey Weinstein ring a bell?
Ronan Farrow (reporter) ran with a story about Harvey Weinstein and then wrote a book about him and forced the police's hand to charge him.

The press is about keeping our rights and freedoms.
 
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Dear Misty Waters

I take it you don't understand the power of the press? Does the me2 movement or Harvey Weinstein ring a bell?
Ronan Farrow (reporter) ran with a story about Harvey Weinstein and then wrote a book about him and forced the police's hand to charge him.

The press is about keeping our rights and freedoms.

Thank you for sharing your opinion but no, I don’t think it’s a fair comparison between Canadian media and the US, regarding influence toward prosecution in general. One reason is neither our Police Chiefs nor Prosectors are elected officials. Another US example was the prosecution of Bill Cosby but under our political system we don’t see election promises regarding future prosecution happening here in Canada either. A connection to Shermans homicide and the me2 movement, that’s a real lunar stretch IMO. The US has its share of open homicide cases as well, probably hundreds found here on WS.

However I’m sure you’re aware a few years ago KD directly involved himself in SA allegations against another MSM employee, which indeed did result in criminal charges being laid. His sources appeared to be somewhat unreliable. He also wrote a book about it. The defendant was found not guilty.
 
  • #673
Just my opinion, but there must be something very interesting in the Estate files that Kevin Donovan already knows about.

Five other media outlets involved now. I wonder if they can live-tweet about the hearing.

We'll find out in 2 weeks. SCC normally broadcasts the briefs as well as their intention to webcast 2 weeks min in advance.
 
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However I’m sure you’re aware a few years ago KD directly involved himself in SA allegations against another MSM employee, which indeed did result in criminal charges being laid. His sources appeared to be somewhat unreliable. He also wrote a book about it. The defendant was found not guilty.

Rsbm

I am not aware of that. Do you have a link? I have been trying to determine how qualified and credible KD's reputation is over his many years as a reporter. TIA
 
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Rsbm

I am not aware of that. Do you have a link? I have been trying to determine how qualified and credible KD's reputation is over his many years as a reporter. TIA

She is talking about Jian Ghomeshi. <modsnip: removed off topic details not related to the case at hand>
 
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She is talking about Jian Ghomeshi. <modsnip: removed off topic details not related to the case at hand>

This is a bit off-topic, but it relates to KD and his credibility. The judge in the Ghomeshi case did not make an error: the first three complainants lied under oath/their statements in court greatly differed from their statements to the police. ( And media in LDC’s case)

“Justice William Horkins stated that the inconsistency and "outright deception" of the witness' testimony had irreparably weakened the prosecution's case.[56] "Each complainant," he wrote, "demonstrated, to some degree, a willingness to ignore their oath to tell the truth on more than one occasion." Referring to a witness' excuse that she was merely trying to "navigate" the proceeding, Horkins replied "'Navigating' this sort of proceeding is really quite simple: tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth."

Trial of Jian Ghomeshi - Wikipedia

Christie Blatchford: Let’s not hide the truth about Ghomeshi’s accusers

I’m not defending him, he has admitted to violence against women and validated the fourth complainant’s (Borel’s) accusations to a point. The Crown withdrew the charges in her case and he accepted a Peace Bond.
 
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  • #680
The one KD theory I didn't accept was that the Sherman's were not victims of hired killers. Granted, the manner of their deaths was a classic example of a crime of passion, but that could have been the instructions from a sociopath.

InspectorLoneRanger --you allude to JS ordering the hits using Israeli soldiers, and then state that JS has refused to speak to police (re Lex's question about where he was when the Shermans were killed). Wouldn't one assume that if JS arranged the hits he would have an iron clad alibi for the time of the murders? That doesn't jive with your assertion that he has refused to speak with TPS.
 
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