Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #14

[branmuffin]

I saw the article and wondered why the Star was publishing this. Why do we need to know that it sold? Why do we need to know that a 28 year old female bought it ? Why do readers need to know that she drives a Boxster? Must be a slow day in news.

Because there's someone out there who knows a 28 year old woman who drives a Porsche convertible and they might spill the beans. Some people want to know all aspects of a sensational case, regardless of how tenuous to the investigation.

I think it's possible that a realtor bought the property. It would be a steal, considering people buy very nice homes for major bucks then pay even more to have them demolished to build even bigger ones. So this particular piece of real estate would be especially attractive.

 

[branmuffin]

I think it's a lot more interesting than much of the news we've been seeing in a long time. It looks like the empty lot was bought by a billionaire currently selling another house for $7.9 million. Wow! Even taking into consideration the GTA's sky high real estate prices, that's very rich for a building lot. Very interesting indeed.

After living in Toronto for years and knowing that my 100 year old semi-detached house in the east end sold for one million bucks about 3 years ago, it's not that unusual for people who are not billionaires or even millionaires to pay that kind of money for a lot, especially considering they will probably get more than the asking price for their current home.

 

[dotr]

Watch the video: What happened inside Barry and Honey Sherman's home before they were murdered

Mar. 03, 2020
''What happened inside Barry and Honey Sherman's North Toronto home between a Wednesday evening and a Friday morning in December 2017 is the focus of a Toronto Police homicide probe.

The Toronto Star has come up with a likely scenario using clues provided by sources, photographs and floor plans from the home, as well as a timeline of events.''

Cannot recall if this 2019 video was already posted or not, it is hosted by a Bloomberg writer familiar with the Shermans.

Read Matthew Campbell's full story in Bloomberg Businessweek: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/20

 

[branmuffin]

there is no stairway in the front foyer. The closest one is opposite the breakfast room. But I guess the furnace man saw nothing.

Maybe the furnace man came in through the garage since it was the closest area to the furnace room. Cleaning a furnace can get pretty messy.

 

[ldlager]

At around 7.05 pm tonight I watched a video with J Warmington on the Toronto Sun website. He is talking about the upcoming 3 year anniversary of the murders and the sale of the house. The video shows the empty lot with snow on it, so I am pretty sure it was made today, given the timing of the release of the info about the property sale. He also interviews a neighbour of the Shermans.

In the video, Warmington then talks to Jack Kaye on the phone, who tells him that the police can solve the case by just "following the money". IMO, (MOO) based on the tone of his voice and his directness, JK clearly has an opinion of who was involved in these murders.

I went back to the website to try and post a link on WS within 2-3 minutes of watching it, but the video has been taken down, and seems to have completely disappeared. Searching Sherman or Warmington on the Sun website doesn't yield the video.

It is curious and somewhat disturbing to me why this video was very quickly yanked from the website. Maybe it was posted in error and will appear tomorrow? But I can't help but wonder if someone has exerted pressure on the Sun to remove it.
Did anyone else on this Board happen to see this video?

 

[ldlager]

Maybe the furnace man came in through the garage since it was the closest area to the furnace room. Cleaning a furnace can get pretty messy.

The article said he came in the house with the housekeeper and the trainer (IIRC they let him in the door as they were going in).

 

[deugirtni]

I think it's very interesting that the house sold. I am also interesting in who, ( not the name ),would purchase such a property.
This is just one more layer of what is a heartbreaking real life story.
The family promised to immediately sod the land and maintain it once the house was demolished and the hoarding came down.
Fifteen months passed before it was sold. The hoarding is still up as of today. There was never sod put down and zero
maintenance.

Yes, I had forgotten about that. Here is the article about the sodding and maintaining:

On Tuesday, councillors approved the demolition provided that construction fences be erected around the site, debris and rubble be removed immediately, holes be backfilled, sod be laid and the site be maintained free of garbage and weeds.

Kirshenblatt said they will do all of that and they’re looking to start demolition as soon as possible.

Sherman family gets OK to demolish North York home of murdered billionaire couple

 

[MistyWaters]

At around 7.05 pm tonight I watched a video with J Warmington on the Toronto Sun website. He is talking about the upcoming 3 year anniversary of the murders and the sale of the house. The video shows the empty lot with snow on it, so I am pretty sure it was made today, given the timing of the release of the info about the property sale. He also interviews a neighbour of the Shermans.

In the video, Warmington then talks to Jack Kaye on the phone, who tells him that the police can solve the case by just "following the money". IMO, (MOO) based on the tone of his voice and his directness, JK clearly has an opinion of who was involved in these murders.

I went back to the website to try and post a link on WS within 2-3 minutes of watching it, but the video has been taken down, and seems to have completely disappeared. Searching Sherman or Warmington on the Sun website doesn't yield the video.

It is curious and somewhat disturbing to me why this video was very quickly yanked from the website. Maybe it was posted in error and will appear tomorrow? But I can't help but wonder if someone has exerted pressure on the Sun to remove it.
Did anyone else on this Board happen to see this video?

I’d think it probably would’ve been a phone interview. Only reason I can think of why things get yanked relates to fake news. Was someone impersonating Jack Kaye?

 

[RHR]

there is no stairway in the front foyer. The closest one is opposite the breakfast room. But I guess the furnace man saw nothing.

I believe there is a staircase in the front foyer. I apologize if i am wrong but i thought there are two spiral staircases.
If i am wrong then i assume what happened is that the furnace person went down and immediately turned in the direction of the furnace room. That direction is away from the doorway leading into the house from the garage and away from the pool area.
This may not make me popular with all of the men on in this discussion. Have anyone heard the term BOY EYES????

 

[RHR]

Maybe the furnace man came in through the garage since it was the closest area to the furnace room. Cleaning a furnace can get pretty messy.

He did not go through the garage . He walked in side door with housekeeper and trainer.

 

[dotr]

He did not go through the garage . He walked in side door with housekeeper and trainer.

rbbm.
‘Someone has killed my clients’: Newly released documents detail the day Barry and Honey Sherman were found dead, and what police did after
''Macatangay collected the paper, and the mail, and she and the trainer walked to the side door. It was locked. Macatangay used her key and was surprised to find the alarm system was off. As she later told police, it was always armed when she arrived. Honey’s aging gold Lexus SUV was in its regular spot by the side door.

Around the same time, a white van from a furnace company showed up. It was a regular service call by Allan Caruk. The 12,000-square-foot house had four furnaces. Caruk followed the housekeeper and trainer inside. He took his tools and went down to the furnace room in the cavernous basement.

The house was dark inside. No lights were on and it was a gloomy day; snow had fallen overnight. Trainer Young wondered if the Shermans had left early for Florida, though Honey was not scheduled to leave until the Monday. Housekeeper Macatangay went upstairs to see if the Shermans were in bed.''

 

[ldlager]

I’d think it probably would’ve been a phone interview. Only reason I can think of why things get yanked relates to fake news. Was someone impersonating Jack Kaye?

Maybe, but I’m almost certain it was JK on the phone. It was on speaker phone (I know JK’s voice). But maybe it will be on the Sun website tomorrow.

 

[ldlager]

I believe there is a staircase in the front foyer. I apologize if i am wrong but i thought there are two spiral staircases.
If i am wrong then i assume what happened is that the furnace person went down and immediately turned in the direction of the furnace room. That direction is away from the doorway leading into the house from the garage and away from the pool area.
This may not make me popular with all of the men on in this discussion. Have anyone heard the term BOY EYES????

here is a floor plan for future reference- it has come in handy multiple times! https://media.houssmax.ca/201711/29/5a1f32afd3797.pdf

 

[MistyWaters]

Maybe, but I’m almost certain it was JK on the phone. It was on speaker phone (I know JK’s voice). But maybe it will be on the Sun website tomorrow.

Yes, possibly. Voice changer software has been around for several years also.

Not saying it’s what happened but the virtual world of scamming makes anything possible -

Voice-cloning technology can imitate real voices on the phone | wcnc.com

 

[RHR]

I believe there is a staircase in the front foyer. I apologize if i am wrong but i thought there are two spiral staircases.
If i am wrong then i assume what happened is that the furnace person went down and immediately turned in the direction of the furnace room. That direction is away from the doorway leading into the house from the garage and away from the pool area.
This may not make me popular with all of the men on in this discussion. Have anyone heard the term BOY EYES????

I just looked again at the plans. There is a staircase in the front of the house.
The second one is the spiral staircase in the kitchen area.

 

[deugirtni]

Here is one of the realtor shots of the main floor which shows two staircases. Both seem to go all the way to the basement level. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

Here is a pic that shows the spiral staircase at the basement level. Looking at the floorplans, this also seems to be the area where the 'back door' from basement to exterior is located, as well as the door leading into the house from the garage (PDF of basement level is also attached here).

Personally, I cannot imagine that they would have workmen coming into the house via the main floor with their workboots and such, to walk across the marble floors to the staircase, if there was an entry door toward the rear of the home leading to the basement?

The article says the HVAC guy followed the trainer and housekeeper into the house, but perhaps if he had been back and forth to his truck (to get tools/supplies, etc), he may have ended up exiting out of the basement door.. and wondering if perhaps that is how that rear door could have remained unlocked? He would have had no way to lock it after himself, unless it locked automatically or unless it was one of those cheap push-button type of door-handle locks (but even then, he could have not bothered, or simply forgotten to lock it).

It was a short time after his visit that the bodies were discovered, and reportedly by the time police arrived, that basement exterior door was found unlocked. Knowing there had been an HVAC worker right around that area just a couple of hours earlier, gives another potential explanation. However, I am sure the HVAC worker gave a statement to police and would've indicated if he'd used the door and/or if it was locked in the first place, or if he left it unlocked, etc., and hopefully police would've looked for prints. It's also possible the door's locked status was rarely checked on, being in the basement and such a large house. I guess the cleaning lady would know about those types of things. imo.

Look at picture below in conjunction with the PDF also attached to see where it is located in relation to exterior basement door, garage entry to the house, etc.

 

[RHR]

Here is a pic that shows the spiral staircase at the basement level. Looking at the floorplans, this also seems to be the area where the 'back door' from basement to exterior is located, as well as the door leading into the house from the garage (PDF of basement level is also attached here).

Personally, I cannot imagine that they would have workmen coming into the house via the main floor with their workboots and such, to walk across the marble floors to the staircase, if there was an entry door toward the rear of the home leading to the basement?

The article says the HVAC guy followed the trainer and housekeeper into the house, but perhaps if he had been back and forth to his truck (to get tools/supplies, etc), he may have ended up exiting out of the basement door.. and wondering if perhaps that is how that rear door could have remained unlocked? He would have had no way to lock it after himself, unless it locked automatically or unless it was one of those cheap push-button type of door-handle locks (but even then, he could have not bothered, or simply forgotten to lock it).

It was a short time after his visit that the bodies were discovered, and reportedly by the time police arrived, that basement exterior door was found unlocked. Knowing there had been an HVAC worker right around that area just a couple of hours earlier, gives another potential explanation. However, I am sure the HVAC worker gave a statement to police and would've indicated if he'd used the door and/or if it was locked in the first place, or if he left it unlocked, etc., and hopefully police would've looked for prints. It's also possible the door's locked status was rarely checked on, being in the basement and such a large house. I guess the cleaning lady would know about those types of things. imo.

Look at picture below in conjunction with the PDF also attached to see where it is located in relation to exterior basement door, garage entry to the house, etc.
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The side door they w

Here is a pic that shows the spiral staircase at the basement level. Looking at the floorplans, this also seems to be the area where the 'back door' from basement to exterior is located, as well as the door leading into the house from the garage (PDF of basement level is also attached here).

Personally, I cannot imagine that they would have workmen coming into the house via the main floor with their workboots and such, to walk across the marble floors to the staircase, if there was an entry door toward the rear of the home leading to the basement?

The article says the HVAC guy followed the trainer and housekeeper into the house, but perhaps if he had been back and forth to his truck (to get tools/supplies, etc), he may have ended up exiting out of the basement door.. and wondering if perhaps that is how that rear door could have remained unlocked? He would have had no way to lock it after himself, unless it locked automatically or unless it was one of those cheap push-button type of door-handle locks (but even then, he could have not bothered, or simply forgotten to lock it).

It was a short time after his visit that the bodies were discovered, and reportedly by the time police arrived, that basement exterior door was found unlocked. Knowing there had been an HVAC worker right around that area just a couple of hours earlier, gives another potential explanation. However, I am sure the HVAC worker gave a statement to police and would've indicated if he'd used the door and/or if it was locked in the first place, or if he left it unlocked, etc., and hopefully police would've looked for prints. It's also possible the door's locked status was rarely checked on, being in the basement and such a large house. I guess the cleaning lady would know about those types of things. imo.

Look at picture below in conjunction with the PDF also attached to see where it is located in relation to exterior basement door, garage entry to the house, etc.
View attachment 274344

The side door they went through was the same one Honey always used and is a utility type of area. There is a laundry room etc there. I am sure the furnace guy took is shoes of and left them at the side door.
He was a regular service person. I am sure he knew the house well and was comfortable finding way down to the furnace room.

 

[ldlager]

I just looked again at the plans. There is a staircase in the front of the house.
The second one is the spiral staircase in the kitchen area.

Yes there are 2 staircases. They both go to the basement. One is opposite the breakfast area, as I indicated; one is in the rear of the kitchen.
In your original posting you indicated there was a stairway in the foyer, which there is not.
In any event, I assume the furnace man saw nothing unusual in his trip to and from the basement.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes there are 2 staircases. They both go to the basement. One is opposite the breakfast area, as I indicated; one is in the rear of the kitchen.
In your original posting you indicated there was a stairway in the foyer, which there is not.
In any event, I assume the furnace man saw nothing unusual in his trip to and from the basement.

Barry and Honey Sherman sued builders of North York home

I vaguely recall noticing a better photo somewhere but isn’t that a glimpse of the spiral staircase leading from the main foyer to the 2nd level on the right side of this photo?