CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #19

[Window21]

Revised list:
Ok thanks. I'm gonna make a list here:

JS: Just arrived back in the country (Japan)
MS: left the country day after the murders (Florida)
Daughter: was in Mexico
JK: Was in New York
KW: at a12-step program for Cocaine Anonymous the evening of the day they were last seen alive, and at work as a construction site manager the next day. In between, he said he watched an episode of Peaky Blinders on Netflix, and slept. He lives by himself.''
Judi Gottlieb: (real Estate agent that home is listed with) away in Florida


Anybody else that I forgot? If we can think of where apparently everyone was or alibis for people, then I will update the list.
Where was BK? Alexandras husband...anyone know?
Where was FD?
Where was AP?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Revised list:
Ok thanks. I'm gonna make a list here:

JS: Just arrived back in the country (Japan)
MS: left the country day after the murders (Florida)
Daughter: was in Mexico
JK: Was in New York
KW: at a12-step program for Cocaine Anonymous the evening of the day they were last seen alive, and at work as a construction site manager the next day. In between, he said he watched an episode of Peaky Blinders on Netflix, and slept. He lives by himself.''

Anybody else that I forgot? If we can think of where apparently everyone was or alibis for people, then I will update the list.
Where was BK? Alexandras husband...anyone know?
Where was FD?
Where was AP?

Can someone please help me here? Who are FD and AP? Thanks so much.

Also, does Cocaine Anonymous have to tell LE who was/was not at their meetings?

 

[ldlager]

Ok thanks. I'm gonna make a list here:

JS: Just arrived back in the country (Japan)
MS: left the country day after the murders (Florida)
Daughter: was in Mexico
JK: Was in New York

Anybody else that I forgot? If we can think of where apparently everyone was or alibis for people, then I will update the list.
Where was BK? Alexandras husband...anyone know?

Jeremy Desai was in Toronto
FDA probably in Toronto

 

[dotr]

Can someone please help me here? Who are FD and AP? Thanks so muck.

Also, does Cocaine Anonymous have to tell LE who was/was not at their meetings?

Have not read through this to find the direct answer concerning whether or not info is given regarding who was present at a CA meeting, but thinking LE could find out if KW was there with relative ease, imo, speculation.

https://www.camh.ca/-/media/files/camh_health_privacy_policy-pdf.pdf

Who Killed Honey and Barry Sherman: Investigating The Unsolved Billionaire Murders

An excerpt from Kevin Donovan's new book on the life and death of Barry Sherman, billionaire founder of Canadian pharmaceutical company Apotex, and his wife, Honey.

www.forbes.com

teelback founder Frank D'Angelo at the Grand Prix of Toronto, sponsored by the brewery, in March 2007.

VINCE TALOTTA/ TORONTO STAR/ GETTY IMAGES
''Close friends and his entire family were well aware that away from Apotex, Sherman carried on a high-stakes game with a cast of characters strikingly different from the buttoned-down scientists and bureaucrats he spent most of his life with. They say Barry Sherman was a contrarian. Fellow philanthropist and businessman Ed Sonshine says that if the world seemed to be against someone, Sherman would back the man. “He loved helping financially guys who other people told him were bad guys,” Sonshine says. Many were larger-than-life individuals who, for one reason or another, had trouble finding more traditional backers.''

'Among these characters, no one was more different from Sherman than Frank D’Angelo. Sherman once described him as being similar to a worn version of a famous movie actor. It is difficult for many of Sherman’s friends to fathom what the billionaire scientist saw in D’Angelo, who was the first person with any real knowledge of key events who agreed to speak to me when I began investigating the deaths of the Shermans''

 

[deugirtni]

Revised list:
Ok thanks. I'm gonna make a list here:

JS: Just arrived back in the country (Japan)
MS: left the country day after the murders (Florida)
Daughter: was in Mexico
JK: Was in New York
KW: at a12-step program for Cocaine Anonymous the evening of the day they were last seen alive, and at work as a construction site manager the next day. In between, he said he watched an episode of Peaky Blinders on Netflix, and slept. He lives by himself.''
Judi Gottlieb: (real Estate agent that home is listed with) away in Florida


Anybody else that I forgot? If we can think of where apparently everyone was or alibis for people, then I will update the list.
Where was BK? Alexandras husband...anyone know?
Where was FD?
Where was AP?

I believe Barry's sister and her husband were in California at the time. I (or does anyone else have it?) will have to look for that info. It was said that it had been surprising that Minister of Health Dr. Eric Hoskins knew and 'tweeted' about the deaths before it was official/confirmed by police... and I believe it was said that he knew because of relatives of the Shermans who were in CA at the time, and having a difficult time getting information, and those relatives turned out to be B's sibling/s.

I guess one of the city councillors (former?) also knew, from the relatives that were in CA at the time:

Former city councillor Mike Feldman, who has known the Sherman family for years, said relatives of the Shermans who were with him vacationing in California were told by other family members in Toronto about the deaths. Mr. Feldman said the family was in a "complete state of shock" and was having trouble getting information from the police about what happened.

Mr. Feldman said family members had told him that Mr. Sherman had not been at work on Thursday, and that no one had heard from his wife that day, either.

"We don't know what happened. A family member got information and called me.… We don't want to interfere with a police investigation, but on the other hand, the kinfolk want to know about their kinfolk."

Billionaire Apotex founder Barry Sherman and wife found dead in Toronto home

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Patient rights at CAMH

Legal Rights, Protection of Health Info & Access to Records

The legal rights of a patient, as well as information regarding the protection of their health information and access to records.

www.camh.ca

 

[deugirtni]

Honey's personal assistant was heading to Mexico immediately following the deaths:

-December 14, 2017, 10:00am, Honey’s personal assistant Sheila Stanley, would normally have worked on Thursdays from 10am to 2:30pm, but this day and the following day, on the 15th, she was given the days off as she would be heading away for a winter vacation to Mexico with her family. Did someone know Barry and Honey Sherman’s schedule? Close friends were away and they had nothing planned

 

[deugirtni]

Patient rights at CAMH

Legal Rights, Protection of Health Info & Access to Records

The legal rights of a patient, as well as information regarding the protection of their health information and access to records.

www.camh.ca

AFAIK, those 'anonymous' groups are held wherever, but their mandates are separate from the venue they're held in. MOO, but I don't believe the anonymous groups are allowed to 'officially' state who was at meetings.. AFAIK, they go on 'first names only', but like dotr said, I'm sure LE would've been able to establish that info at the time (presuming they had looked into it early enough????)

 

[dotr]

• Various bits of info about BS's other businesses and associations, there are just too many entanglements, no wonder this case is so complicated! imo
• This page was last edited on 22 October 2022, at 06:39 (UTC).
• Barry Sherman - Wikipedia
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• ''Sherman had a mixed reputation, or what the National Post called "Two Legacies".[37] Sherman and his wife were described by Toronto Mayor John Tory as "kind, good people", and he was widely praised for his philanthropic giving.[38] On the other hand, Morton Shulman, a physician and former member of the Ontario Parliament who late in his life fought Sherman over drug development, called him "the only person I have ever met with no redeeming features whatsoever".[22] A Bloomberg writer reporting on Sherman's death said that some rival generic drug company executives used "unprintable" language to describe him.[15]
  
  University of Ottawa law professor Amir Attaran described Sherman as "a deplorable human being" in reference to his business practices, claiming that he gouged Canadians with high drug prices: "Canadians pay more for generic drugs than almost every other country. He sought to manipulate our system to enrich himself and impoverish Canadian patients who used his drugs."[38] Attaran accused Sherman of crossing ethical lines concerning intellectual property rights to "fight as many as 100 battles at a time in court to challenge drug patents and make way for Apotex's generic prescriptions" with little end benefit to consumers.[38][39] By contrast, Sherman saw Apotex as a force for good, saying, "If we're thieves, we're Robin Hoods."[22]''
  
  As told in Jeffrey Robinson's 2001 book Prescription Games: Money, Ego and Power Inside the Pharmaceutical Industry, Sherman himself acknowledged the long-running conflict between Apotex and the major pharmaceutical companies over drug patents, saying, "The branded drug companies hate us. They have private investigators on us all the time. The thought once came to my mind: why didn't they just hire someone to knock me off?"[40] Private investigators working for the German company Bayer AG, one of the world's largest drug companies, reportedly considered planting illegal drugs in Sherman's car during an operation to lure Apotex employees into informing on whether the company was knowingly infringing Bayer's patents.[15]

 

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The reason I’m asking about the legality of disclosing info from this venue, is because CAMH is a hospital rather than meetings in a church basement. I wonder if hospital rules apply here?

 

[Window21]

Revised list: 11:37 am Oct 28, 2022
Ok thanks. I'm gonna make a list here:

JS: Just arrived back in the country (Japan)
MS: left the country day after the murders (Florida)
Daughter: was in Mexico
JK: Was in New York
KW: at a12-step program for Cocaine Anonymous the evening of the day they were last seen alive, and at work as a construction site manager the next day. In between, he said he watched an episode of Peaky Blinders on Netflix, and slept. He lives by himself.''
Judi Gottlieb: (real Estate agent that home is listed with) away in Florida
Sheila Stanley: (HS personal Assistant) Had Dec 14 and 15th booked off was heading to Mexico
Jeremy Desai: In Toronto
Sandra and Mike Florence: Were in Palm Desert California (according to KD book)

Anybody else that I forgot? If we can think of where apparently everyone was or alibis for people, then I will update the list.
Where was BK? Alexandras husband...anyone know?
Where was FD?
Where was AP?

 

[Window21]

I believe Barry's sister and her husband were in California at the time. I (or does anyone else have it?) will have to look for that info.

I found an excerpt of KD's book online and they were in their winter home in Palm Desert California. It won't let me copy and paste.

 

[dotr]

Maybe the guy who ''knows where the financial bodies are buried'' and considered the ''caretaker of the "Bank of Barry" should have extra security? imo, speculation.
2021 rbbm.

Many lined up at the ‘Bank of Barry’ Sherman: Inside the $10 billion succession battle

Sherman daughter says her life is more tragic than a Shakespeare play; Son Jonathon says of his sudden wealth, at some point it is just ‘extra zeros.’

www.thestar.com

''In the crush of 7,500 people who attended the Dec. 21, 2017 memorial for the founder of generic drug giant Apotex and his philanthropic wife was a short, bearded man, as observant of the Jewish faith as his late boss was a fiery atheist. Alex Glasenberg was and still is the caretaker of what the Sherman family has long referred to as the “Bank of Barry.”

“I mean no disrespect of course, but Alex Glasenberg knows where all the financial bodies are buried,” said one Sherman insider.''

''Glasenberg is the president of Sherfam, the Sherman family holding company, headquartered in a squat, two-storey building north of Toronto. A coded keypad, cameras in the ceiling and a heavy door guard a nerve centre with tentacles Barry’s wheeling and dealing have spread throughout the world — real estate, pharmaceuticals, offshore banking. Driving by, you would not give its brown bricks a second look.

Originally from South Africa, Glasenberg has worked for the family for three decades, first at Apotex and then at Sherfam. He was among the first to learn the Shermans had been found dead just before noon on Dec. 15, 2017, a few sunrises into Hanukkah. Glasenberg told no one in his 10-person office. He got up from his desk, put on his coat and left. This was not a time for the telephone. Bankers and lawyers needed to be informed privately.''

''Glasenberg and Sherfam are at the epicentre of a struggle worthy of Shakespeare, or the HBO series “Succession.” Son Jonathon has long considered himself the “heir apparent” (as he said in an email to his father shortly before his death), and has said he would like to remove Glasenberg from his position.''

 

[Window21]

I wonder if JS did remove AG in the last few years? Also, is AG a lawyer or just a financial guy? You don't hear much about him.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Revised list: 11:37 am Oct 28, 2022
Ok thanks. I'm gonna make a list here:

JS: Just arrived back in the country (Japan)
MS: left the country day after the murders (Florida)
Daughter: was in Mexico
JK: Was in New York
KW: at a12-step program for Cocaine Anonymous the evening of the day they were last seen alive, and at work as a construction site manager the next day. In between, he said he watched an episode of Peaky Blinders on Netflix, and slept. He lives by himself.''
Judi Gottlieb: (real Estate agent that home is listed with) away in Florida
Sheila Stanley: (HS personal Assistant) Had Dec 14 and 15th booked off was heading to Mexico
Jeremy Desai: In Toronto
Sandra and Mike Florence: Were in Palm Desert California (according to KD book)

Anybody else that I forgot? If we can think of where apparently everyone was or alibis for people, then I will update the list.
Where was BK? Alexandras husband...anyone know?
Where was FD?
Where was AP?

Adding Alex Glasenberg, head of ´The Bank of Barry’

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

I wonder if JS did remove AG in the last few years? Also, is AG a lawyer or just a financial guy? You don't hear much about him.

Sounds like a money guy. From wiki

Alex Glasenberg, who runs Sherfam, Barry's investment and holding company, told police that he and Jack Kay, Barry's second-in-command at Apotex, had prior to the murders been trying to convince the 75-year-old Barry to sell Apotex.

 

[newclues]

I wonder if JS did remove AG in the last few years? Also, is AG a lawyer or just a financial guy? You don't hear much about him.

JK has also been with BS at Apotex for over 30 years during which it became a billion-dollar company.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

JS after the murders

Barry Sherman’s son says his father asked him to repay tens of millions of dollars, two weeks before murders, but Barry was ‘all in’ with son’s business

The road into Jonathon Sherman’s 100-acre compound winds through a forest. A yellow smiley face tacked to a tree warns visitors that cameras are watching.

www.toronto.com

 

[ldlager]

I believe Barry's sister and her husband were in California at the time. I (or does anyone else have it?) will have to look for that info. It was said that it had been surprising that Minister of Health Dr. Eric Hoskins knew and 'tweeted' about the deaths before it was official/confirmed by police... and I believe it was said that he knew because of relatives of the Shermans who were in CA at the time, and having a difficult time getting information, and those relatives turned out to be B's sibling/s.

I guess one of the city councillors (former?) also knew, from the relatives that were in CA at the time:

Former city councillor Mike Feldman, who has known the Sherman family for years, said relatives of the Shermans who were with him vacationing in California were told by other family members in Toronto about the deaths. Mr. Feldman said the family was in a "complete state of shock" and was having trouble getting information from the police about what happened.

Mr. Feldman said family members had told him that Mr. Sherman had not been at work on Thursday, and that no one had heard from his wife that day, either.

"We don't know what happened. A family member got information and called me.… We don't want to interfere with a police investigation, but on the other hand, the kinfolk want to know about their kinfolk."

Billionaire Apotex founder Barry Sherman and wife found dead in Toronto home

You are correct re BS sister and brother in law

 

[newclues]

Did

Ok thanks. I'm gonna make a list here:

JS: Just arrived back in the country (Japan)
MS: left the country day after the murders (Florida)
Daughter: was in Mexico
JK: Was in New York

Anybody else that I forgot? If we can think of where apparently everyone was or alibis for people, then I will update the list.
Where was BK? Alexandras husband...anyone know?

Did JK have concert tickets for the night of December 13, 2017?