CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #19

[No_Stone_Unturned]

^^^^^ Good catch. Did LE enquire at the synagogue?

 

[dotr]

The earring was found on the road or by the road, I believe.

Sherman family investigators hand over earring and other evidence collected at murdered billionaires’ home to Toronto police

The handover comes several weeks after police warned the Sherman family’s lawyer they would seek a judicial warrant if potential evidence was not immediately handed over, sources close to the case have told the Star.

www.thestar.com

WARMINGTON: Barry Sherman's ex-biz partner knew 'from day one' couple was murdered

Toronto Police have interviewed 127 people in the Sherman double murder investigation.

torontosun.com

Toronto Police Det. Martin Woodhouse seizes two earrings at the end of the Sherman driveway on Jan. 27, 2018. PHOTO BY ROSS MCLEAN

 

[branmuffin]

Thank you Lexi. This is a goldmine. So they know who it is and why he was there. No further comment. Hmmmmm …..So he entered the house with a key or did he need to be let in?

My mind is telling me that LE know who killed the Sherman’s but just need one more piece to the puzzle to lay charges. JMO

The Shermans were notoriously lax about security. It's quite possible the door was open. However, my belief is that the man was someone like a realtor who wanted to check out the home for a prospective buyer to come into the home and was calling a number and not getting a pick up. Now they are saying it's possible he didn't go in the home, but I don't believe that. It's possible one of those realtor lock boxes was on the front door and he used the code to get in and wander around, maybe calling out and not getting a response. While in the car he may have been calling another realtor about the house and whether the homeowners were around and got conflicting information because some realtors knew they were leaving for Florida.

 

[branmuffin]

They did not have a live-in housekeeper. They had a lady who seemingly cleaned every Friday. Other people in the house that Friday morning were the trainer and the furnace guy.

‘Someone has killed my clients’: Newly released documents detail the day Barry and Honey Sherman were found dead, and what police did after

Even as friends and associates of Barry and Honey Sherman insisted they were murdered, Toronto police continued to pursue the theory that Barry killed Honey, then himself, newly released police

www.toronto.com

"That Friday morning had begun in a normal fashion, following a routine schedule Honey had confirmed by email earlier in the week.

At 8:25 a.m., housekeeper Nelia Macatangay arrived to tidy the house and help make potato latkes."

"Megan Young arrived at the same time. Young was one of several personal trainers the Shermans employed."

"Around the same time, a white van from a furnace company showed up. It was a regular service call by Allan Caruk."

And the plant person who came in that day, too.

 

[branmuffin]

I think you’re right about the cell phone being traced.

We officially know little about the autopsy reports, and like you wrote we don’t know if there’s an indication they were killed in one position and then moved into another (KD’s theory is that HS was, or at least was attacked in one area and moved to the pool area.)

KW & my post to him about stating HS was killed in the kitchen:


“ You previously wrote Honey was killed in the kitchen. Three examples:
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ETA: Just pointinting it out. We’re wondering why you’ve said she was killed in the kitchen. Her phone was found in the front powder room floor, metres away.”

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I think he's walking like that because he's amending his centre of gravity the way heavily pregnant women do. They lean backward when walking, described as a penguin waddle. He looks like he's in his mid to late 50s, perhaps a little older. He isn't a thin man and he may have a bit of a belly...

www.websleuths.com

The phone had been on the floor in the front powder room and I think the housekeeper put it on the counter. The powder room was by the front door. I think HS was trying to escape through the front door trying to call someone and the killer grabbed her knocking the phone out of her hand and it slid under the bathroom door. That house was like a damn skating rink, full of shiny polished marble (another reason they should have moved or renovated) the phone would have skated along that floor.

 

[dotr]

The reality is we don't know if the NW was hiding his face. Maybe it was cold and windy and every time he walked by a driveway the wind was blowing in his face so he turned it away. And really, we only have one small snippet of a longer video so judging him suspicious within a few seconds because he appeared to be trying to hide his identity is ludicrous to me.

I always thought and said so when the video first came out, that he walked like someone with a prosthetic leg. If he was a hitman why would some shadow person or organization send someone who not only had a visible uncommon gait but would have been unable to run away if caught. It makes no sense to me.

He looked like some old European guy wearing his peaked cap with earflaps a woolen overcoat and galoshes going from point A to B. I'm sure the cops knocked on every door on that street and over two more and showed them a clip of the video to see if anyone recognized him. If no one did, does that make him suspicious or just a POI they need to strike off a list?

Unless he was some seasoned Mossad assassin left over from the Six Days war and decided to pop into the local synagogue two streets over for a quick prayer before killing his targets, I don't think so. Oh wait, LE never included the synagogue when they canvassed the area.

Maybe so, but i am glad that Dr M.A. covered all the possibilities regarding the NW.

The NW struck me as looking like a Walter Matthau type evil twin.

Walter Matthau old man gif - Google Search

 

[Lexiintoronto]

The phone had been on the floor in the front powder room and I think the housekeeper put it on the counter. The powder room was by the front door. I think HS was trying to escape through the front door trying to call someone and the killer grabbed her knocking the phone out of her hand and it slid under the bathroom door. That house was like a damn skating rink, full of shiny polished marble (another reason they should have moved or renovated) the phone would have skated along that floor.

Yes, I agree.

I just wanted to know why KW has stated as fact that HS was killed in the kitchen, then denied writing it when asked.

I mentioned the location of the phone because that’s one point of where she may have been attacked and it wasn’t in the kitchen.

 

[deugirtni]

That is a lot of people traipsing around the house. Was the furnace in the basement anywhere near the pool?

The large looking garage was in between them, however the furnace guy had a whole hour of uninterrupted time down in the lower level all by himself without any supervision, it seems. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

WARMINGTON: Barry Sherman's ex-biz partner knew 'from day one' couple was murdered

Toronto Police have interviewed 127 people in the Sherman double murder investigation.

torontosun.com

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Toronto Police Det. Martin Woodhouse seizes two earrings at the end of the Sherman driveway on Jan. 27, 2018. PHOTO BY ROSS MCLEAN
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I always felt like they were a plant. imo.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

The large looking garage was in between them, however the furnace guy had a whole hour of uninterrupted time down in the lower level all by himself without any supervision, it seems. imo.

My furnace guy can be at my house for an hour and my house is no way near as large as the Sherman house. One hour seems normal to me.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Floor plans of home:

https://media.houssmax.ca/201711/29/5a1f32afd3797.pdf


I just added the floor plans to the media thread.

 

[deugirtni]

My furnace guy can be at my house for an hour and my house is no way near as large as the Sherman house. One hour seems normal to me.

Not saying it's abnormal, just saying he had an entire hour with unfettered and private access to the entire lower level, while their bodies lay there dead.

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Thanks for the floorplans. The furnace guy would be far away from the pool. He wouldn’t have seen nor heard anything. JMO

 

[deugirtni]

Thanks for the floorplans. The furnace guy would be far away from the pool. He wouldn’t have seen nor heard anything. JMO

They'd already been dead for approx 32 hours though.

 

[deugirtni]

Thanks for the floorplans. The furnace guy would be far away from the pool. He wouldn’t have seen nor heard anything. JMO

And.......... for all we know... and depending on where exactly he parked his van, etc..... perhaps he could've been the one to unlock the basement door (?), or even escort the perp(s) away in his van with him, before the news hit the fan. (?) How much did TPS check him out, and how? If he (no crim record?) and his credentials (had worked for the heating co for awhile?) seemed legit, perhaps TPS believed there was no reason to question him any more than the most basic.. or perhaps not even at all?

ETA: usually no windows in a work van, for prying security cams to see within.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

The Shermans were notoriously lax about security. It's quite possible the door was open. However, my belief is that the man was someone like a realtor who wanted to check out the home for a prospective buyer to come into the home and was calling a number and not getting a pick up. Now they are saying it's possible he didn't go in the home, but I don't believe that. It's possible one of those realtor lock boxes was on the front door and he used the code to get in and wander around, maybe calling out and not getting a response. While in the car he may have been calling another realtor about the house and whether the homeowners were around and got conflicting information because some realtors knew they were leaving for Florida.

Many respectable residential service companies do not allow the employees to park in customer driveways. They are to park on the street, mainly to prevent any fluid leaks from your vehicle marking the driveways. With this person parking on the street and walking across the driveway to the door way I first thought it was someone there to do some work/service. If they wanted to be inconspicuous they would not have parked on the street in front of the camera view.

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

And.......... for all we know... and depending on where exactly he parked his van, etc..... perhaps he could've been the one to unlock the basement door (?), or even escort the perp(s) away in his van with him, before the news hit the fan. (?) How much did TPS check him out, and how? If he (no crim record?) and his credentials (had worked for the heating co for awhile?) seemed legit, perhaps TPS believed there was no reason to question him any more than the most basic.. or perhaps not even at all?

ETA: usually no windows in a work van, for prying security cams to see within.

your post brought up another memory, the foot steps in the snow on the ramp leaving the garage.

I believe the van parked in the driveway, it was the furnace guy that noticed foot prints on the ramp to or from the garage.

** if KD is accurate and the perp entered from the rear of the home, and the NW was seen leaving from a home behind the Sherman's who's foot prints would be in the snow on the garage ramp? The prints were seen before the police arrived, so it was not from them, could they have been from the Thursday visitor?

 

[Bobbi Pearl]

My furnace guy can be at my house for an hour and my house is no way near as large as the Sherman house. One hour seems normal to me.

Not saying it's abnormal, just saying he had an entire hour with unfettered and private access to the entire lower level, while their bodies lay there dead.

And I would assume that must haunt him to this day

 

[deugirtni]

The officers that would normally show up regarding a 911 call, or call-attempt, would normally be dressed in police uniform (based on personal experiences).

My guess is that it was perhaps someone to do with the real estate sale, like perhaps a video guy showing up to do a real estate video to post on realtor.ca... perhaps had a scheduled time to show up, nobody home, so he keeps going back to call the realtor who ordered his services?

The Shermans were notoriously lax about security. It's quite possible the door was open. However, my belief is that the man was someone like a realtor who wanted to check out the home for a prospective buyer to come into the home and was calling a number and not getting a pick up. Now they are saying it's possible he didn't go in the home, but I don't believe that. It's possible one of those realtor lock boxes was on the front door and he used the code to get in and wander around, maybe calling out and not getting a response. While in the car he may have been calling another realtor about the house and whether the homeowners were around and got conflicting information because some realtors knew they were leaving for Florida.

Interesting IF this man who showed up on Thursday was going back to his vehicle repeatedly to make a phonecall(s)... wonder if the intruder may have had some kind of a 'signal blocker' at the time, which may have been portable, or may have been placed inside the home and needed to be removed before police showed up............ (enter the furnace repairman?) Could that potentially answer why a 911 call was registered as coming from a nearby address vs an actual address? It may/could have even been placed in the home beforehand by a potential person hiring a potential hitman, to ensure that his hire did not send photos or otherwise communicate with anyone while at the home fulfilling his contract? jmo.

I knew a man/business owner who used to set a 'signal blocker' (I don't know if that is the correct terminology, but it blocks ability to use internet and cellphone) at his workplace so his employees were not able to slack off on their phones... he was not allowed to do this, because it also affected other commercial/industrial tenants... but the landlord was unable to prove he was doing it.

 

[branmuffin]

Interesting IF this man who showed up on Thursday was going back to his vehicle repeatedly to make a phonecall(s)... wonder if the intruder may have had some kind of a 'signal blocker' at the time, which may have been portable, or may have been placed inside the home and needed to be removed before police showed up............ (enter the furnace repairman?) Could that potentially answer why a 911 call was registered as coming from a nearby address vs an actual address? It may/could have even been placed in the home beforehand by a potential person hiring a potential hitman, to ensure that his hire did not send photos or otherwise communicate with anyone while at the home fulfilling his contract? jmo.

I knew a man/business owner who used to set a 'signal blocker' (I don't know if that is the correct terminology, but it blocks ability to use internet and cellphone) at his workplace so his employees were not able to slack off on their phones... he was not allowed to do this, because it also affected other commercial/industrial tenants... but the landlord was unable to prove he was doing it.

High end realtors are a driven bunch. I doubt there was a signal blocker, just a revved up realtor imagining his 3% of a 7 million dollar home.