Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #2

[matou]

Family of Barry and Honey Sherman hire private investigator

His name is Tommy Klatt, a well-known detective who investigated 70 homicides in the 1980s and ’90s.


But for the past two decades, he’s been in private practice doing investigation work.


I’ve worked with him before, including when he was asked to consult by the families of David Madott, Omar Shearer and Kent Munro, who went missing after a Florida diving trip in 1994. He was very thorough but also had an open mind on all ideas and theories being suggested.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/family-of-barry-and-honey-sherman-hire-private-investigator

 

[colette]

This detective sounds like a real stand up guy. I sincerely hope the Sherman family get the answers they are looking for.

We know what answers they are looking for, I hope they get the truth.

 

[Ashley96]

If you mean that the satirical site is the Frank magazine....yes...some of their contents have often been presented as satirical to avoid lawsuits... however not at all in this case...Ive followed Frank for the last 20 years and found that much of their reporting is based upon fact.

Doesn't that imply that some of their reporting is NOT based on fact? Sooo...how does one tell the difference? :thinking:

 

[Jealoushe]

As was speculated earlier, HS must have arrived home from the meeting earlier. And we saw her car towed away, but not his car. Could it be that the killers apprehended her as she arrived and took her inside, killed her, then waited for him to arrive later?

That seems very plausible.

Yes they did this with the Rebecca Zahau case in San Diego. Her hands and feet tied and she was hung and they called it suicide. I have seen other cases like this also. It makes me think it's the lazy way out for the police.

and the Toronto Police are notorious for being lazy. Just look at Laura Babcocks case.

What about using a chair with wheels on it? Plenty of homes have office chairs or kitchen chairs with wheels on them.

Edited to add: I mean...using a chair with wheels to transport the body.

Just thinking aloud.

A dead body is not easy to maneuver, it would fall off the chair and be a nightmare to move around.

Years ago my neighbor came over and indulged into too much wine. When it came time to wine down, she fell going down three stairs in my entrance & there was no way I could pick her up. She was trying to help me, but I could not get her up. I had to go and call another neighbor to help me. Her and I were approx, the same weight. Maybe when adrenalin kicks in you could muster the strength to move that much weight,

It is much more difficult than I would have expected. I work out & do weights, but no way could I get her up.

That is one thing that a lot of people forget - murder is not easy! If you want to kill someone you have to be really dedicated. I find it hard to believe he would be able to move her on his own and set that all up. That being said, some drugs can make you super strong and hyped. Toxicology reports should tell us a story there.

This article just adds to the strangeness, but also shows how LE must not be trusted blindly; https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...micide-detective-probing-shermans-deaths.html

Keep in mind, the media is not always trustworthy, and they can have an agenda. A lot of what is pushed as Fake News is actually true, and vice versa.

Really interesting about that Tweet that went out before the death was even announced. So, who is in control of that social media account and how did they know?

 

[Inthedetails]

So if Honey was moved and everyone is posting how hard it would be to move her, how was she moved?

Any ideas?

 

[matou]

New article r.e. Apotex future uncertain. From the Wall Street Journal:

TORONTO—The path forward for Apotex Inc. is uncertain following the sudden death of founder and chairman Barry Sherman, who was the architect of the generic drugmaker’s litigation-heavy strategy.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex-faces-uncertainty-after-founders-mysterious-death-1514476204

 

[Grey-St]

We know what answers they are looking for, I hope they get the truth.

I believe they want the truth, and that is what I meant by my post.

 

[jillycat]

So if Honey was moved and everyone is posting how hard it would be to move her, how was she moved?

Any ideas?

If that report is true, there may not have been much distance between where she was killed and where she was found.

 

[Inthedetails]

If that report is true, there may not have been much distance between where she was killed and where she was found.

So true. Yet people seem to think BS was incapable of it.

I don't rule him out, and I think he could figure out how to move a body.

My on-the-fence opinion.

 

[Jealoushe]

I think someone else, or more than one person moved her.

 

[Sphinx]

Joe Warmington of the Toronto Sun is still running with this info:



http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/family-of-barry-and-honey-sherman-hire-private-investigator

The way the bodies were hung on a railing would almost think, as one former FBI agent I heard on a youtube ( sorry no link ) mentioned it looked like they were displayed. Was this for shock value to hurt the family, if they found them, or if it was a high level hit man, was he taking a picture to send those who hired him ? Just some thoughts. IMO

 

[jillycat]

So true. Yet people seem to think BS was incapable of it.

I don't rule him out, and I think he could figure out how to move a body.

My on-the-fence opinion.

I think this case is so bizarre that no particular scenario makes sense, at least not with the little bit of information we have. I would think the ME knew Day 1, but is likely awaiting toxicology reports and a completed police report before any official statement. No idea what the roof and sewer and car searching is about.

 

[Tighthead]

Yes, that's right. A wealthy person could have a life insurance benefit worth $100,000,000.00 (one hundred million) or more. Additional amounts can be invested within the policy over many years, so that the value can be much higher. It's a way to flow large sums of money to a named individual, without probate or taxes. The uber wealthy don't use life insurance in the same way that average income people use it.

I certainly wouldn't dismiss life insurance as a motivating factor in a potential murder.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/glo...-it-all-tool-for-the-wealthy/article29937074/

It’s hard to imagine the beneficiary(ies) of the policy not being the children who are due to inherit anyway, so it doesn’t really add any incentive.

 

[minorone]

I think someone else, or more than one person moved her.

The lividity can be used to determine the position of the body at various times following death. It is useful to determine the position of the body at the time of death, as well as the movements of the body evidenced by various patches of lividity within the first few hours following the death. The clothing and any objectives that the person was on can be evidenced by the lividity. The autopsy results would be very telling, but we will probably never get to see them.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I can't imagine that anyone believes that having money is a vaccine against potential for murder. I've seen some discussion that argues that Barry wouldn't give up a life of his making and choosing for an exit such as this. That may or may not be accurate. We really don't know how Honey died, or when or why, if the claim that she was killed in another location is true, whether or not that means she was killed only feet or a distance away, or how she ended up hanged in a second location.

It's true that LE is often not willing to listen to any suggestion that they got something wrong, but I still contend that if these police are climbing around on roofs and digging around in sewers to appease the rich, LE owns that decision. They and all police also own any decision to dismiss concerns and red flags perceived by any family, rich or poor. Considering that information is not the same thing as letting family lead police behavior. Family often has information and perspective that can be part of making complete sense of things, or even provide insight or facts that defy other presumed conclusions. At this point, I'm not willing to dump on the family for their statement, which was reasonable to me, simply because they're rich or because families are viewed as being irrational. Or something like that.

Again, it's one thing to see what you see and note an impression when walking into a death investigation. It's another to refuse to see any other explanation that may emerge because you already decided. For now, we don't know what they found and we don't know how hard they looked before the family spoke out.

BBM

So are you saying that if LE arrives on the scene where someone is lying dead on the ground from a gunshot wound and there is a person standing over the victim with a smoking gun in their hand that LE should not draw the conclusion it was a murder but instead investigate it as a suicide?

Or are you saying that if LE arrives on the scene of a robbery and a person is standing beside a closed store with a broken store window with a TV set in their hands that police should not draw the conclusion the person stole it but should instead treat it as a legitimate sale?

LE are trained investigators and some have years of experience so if a LE officer draws a conclusion about a crime scene I think that we should give their opinion of said crime scene much more weight than we would of say, a stockbroker.

Sometimes it is just obvious to LE officers who arrive on the scene of a crime what happened. So yes first impressions of the officers on the scene does matter.

JMO

 

[Peace777]

I don't think it matters what his executives wanted. He owned it lock, stock and barrel and he did not want to make it a public company. I think that he wanted complete control. I am not sure that I blame him. He had made a grand living out of the company, why give up control of it?

I was just thinking will the company still be in business? As I am currently taking 5 different meds that are put out by Apotex. 1 of them is Apo-Rosuvastatin I think this was one of the drugs that Apotex was sued about by Crestor. So everyday I am reminded of Mr. Sherman and his company (and their deaths).

 

[Grace.212]

On the evening of Dec. 13, a day and a half before his body’s discovery, Mr. Sherman sent an email to an Apotex executive at 8:30 p.m., according to a person familiar with the matter. He didn’t come to work on Dec. 14—a rare occurrence for a man described by his own son as a workaholic. https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex-faces-uncertainty-after-founders-mysterious-death-1514476204

This is interesting, he sent an email at 8:30 pm, that would be the night of the death?

 

[Peace777]

New article r.e. Apotex future uncertain. From the Wall Street Journal:

TORONTO—The path forward for Apotex Inc. is uncertain following the sudden death of founder and chairman Barry Sherman, who was the architect of the generic drugmaker’s litigation-heavy strategy.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex-faces-uncertainty-after-founders-mysterious-death-1514476204

This is not good news for us Canadians who are taking Apotex generic pills/medicine.

 

[Tortoise]

So if Honey was moved and everyone is posting how hard it would be to move her, how was she moved?

Any ideas?

It's the idea of a 75 year old picking her up or carrying her that I balk at. She was most probably dragged IMO.

 

[human]

It’s not uncommon to have life insurance as cash flow while an estate goes through probate. Unless specifically assigned as POD, even bank accounts can be frozen through probate. Insurance pays quickly (under normal circumstances) that it’s a great way to make sure bills are paid in case of issues with probate. In my family everyone has a term life insurance for just this reason as a backup.

These are billionaires and the children are well to do I am sure. They do not need the things ordinary people do.

I do wonder what happens to the issues surrounding the new house being built, but even if it is $10 million dollars, that is a drop in the bucket for a billionaire