Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #2

[dotr]

It's the idea of a 75 year old picking her up or carrying her that I balk at. She was most probably dragged IMO.

All the shiny floors in the house look cold, but also very slippery.
A lightweight blanket or whatever could be placed under the body and dragged ( slid ) to wherever.
If stairs were involved, a rope or similar type article could be wrapped around the body and then pulled down the stairs.
Since they may have been in the process of packing up to go to Florida, a suitcase on wheels may have been handy to use too.
speculation, imo.

 

[human]

On the evening of Dec. 13, a day and a half before his body’s discovery, Mr. Sherman sent an email to an Apotex executive at 8:30 p.m., according to a person familiar with the matter. He didn’t come to work on Dec. 14—a rare occurrence for a man described by his own son as a workaholic. https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex-faces-uncertainty-after-founders-mysterious-death-1514476204

This is interesting, he sent an email at 8:30 pm, that would be the night of the death?

I can’t read much of the article as I am not a subscriber. Wow. That is interesting.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

All the shiny floors in the house look cold, but also very slippery.
A lightweight blanket or whatever could be placed under the body and dragged ( slid ) to wherever.
If stairs were involved, a rope or similar type article could be wrapped around the body and then pulled down the stairs.
Since they may have been in the process of packing up to go to Florida, a suitcase on wheels may have been handy to use too.
speculation, imo.

BBM

Gravity would help a lot. Going down is easy.

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[human]

All the shiny floors in the house look cold, but also very slippery.
A lightweight blanket or whatever could be placed under the body and dragged ( slid ) to wherever.
If stairs were involved, a rope or similar type article could be wrapped around the body and then pulled down the stairs.
Since they may have been in the process of packing up to go to Florida, a suitcase on wheels may have been handy to use too.
speculation, imo.

I wonder about those floors. When wet they are deadly.

An article stated that Honey wore Crocs. Maybe she no longer does. When my Crocs got worn down, they were deadly because I would slip with them on slippery surfaces.

The idea of him dragging her all over the place and then setting up the pool scenario sounds absurd for a 75 year old man who had back problems according to a friend in an article that I read on here.

I am a few years younger than he is, but I know people in that age bracket. Unless one is an athlete, people age 75 do not have a lot of strenght to do such things. Was he working out in the gym in his home?

I know some older people are decrying the age bit, but I am in that age bracket and I rarely see anyone that is very fit. Barry was in an office and research shows sitting around is particulalry bad for people.

Of course, there are older people who run marathons, but they are the exception.

 

[Peace777]

On the evening of Dec. 13, a day and a half before his body’s discovery, Mr. Sherman sent an email to an Apotex executive at 8:30 p.m., according to a person familiar with the matter. He didn’t come to work on Dec. 14—a rare occurrence for a man described by his own son as a workaholic. https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex-faces-uncertainty-after-founders-mysterious-death-1514476204

This is interesting, he sent an email at 8:30 pm, that would be the night of the death?

Must not have been anything alarming in the e-mail as if there was you'd think the CEO would have done a well fare check on him the next day when he didn't show up for work. Hmmm

 

[kiwi50]

Does anyone know how tall Honey was? I keep seeing that se weighed 180 lbs, she doesn’t look that big to me. Admittedly in some photos she looks a lot bigger than in others.

 

[matou]

Toronto Mayor John Tory relayed Sherman family concerns to police
Updated 11 hours ago

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https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...out-handling-of-sherman-case/article37439873/

I would like to know why the Ontario Health Minister found out about the Shermans' deaths and tweeted about it. I remember seeing the tweet too on the 15th. So the real estate agent knew, the police, the trainer? Who else? Neighbours I suppose.

 

[matou]

CP24 reporting that police are still at the home and are canvassing the neighbourhood asking questions.

 

[Tortoise]

Does anyone know how tall Honey was? I keep seeing that se weighed 180 lbs, she doesn’t look that big to me. Admittedly in some photos she looks a lot bigger than in others.

Haven't got her height yet but this was a recent photo of them together. I don't know if you can gauge her weight from it.

 

[matou]

No offence but is it possible that Honey's blond hair is a wig? Maybe she was undergoing cancer treatment that made her have hair loss. JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

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Snarky posts and posts designed to incite conflict are TOS violations. Such posts will be removed and posters may experience a loss of posting privileges.

Just don't do it.

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[Lilibet]

I’m only 5’2” and have weighed 180 in the past. I forget how tall she is, but 180 looks possible in the photo, looking at her arms IMO.

Haven't got her height yet but this was a recent photo of them together. I don't know if you can gauge her weight from it.

 

[Peace777]

I would like to know why the Ontario Health Minister found out about the Shermans' deaths and tweeted about it. I remember seeing the tweet too on the 15th. So the real estate agent knew, the police, the trainer? Who else? Neighbours I suppose.

From what I can see online the Ontario Health Minister is a Liberal and the Sherman's were being investigated for some misconduct with the Liberal Party about fundraising/lobbying or something? Our PM was at the funerals.....

 

[Tortoise]

I just thought I'd post this image because I was interested in whether it was possible to see what kind of front door lock they had. If the spiral stairs leading from upstairs were being processed for forensic testing would they be sectioned off with tape? I suppose it's difficult to know, seeing as the whole house is sealed off.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&r...aw2315kj83aL4fw9jSVjPkU7&ust=1514572840464118

 

[human]

I just thought I'd post this image because I was interested in whether it was possible to see what kind of front door lock they had. If the spiral stairs leading from upstairs were being processed for forensic testing would they be sectioned off with tape? I suppose it's difficult to know, seeing as the whole house is sealed off.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&r...aw2315kj83aL4fw9jSVjPkU7&ust=1514572840464118

What is that triangle thing on the side?

 

[jillycat]

BBM

So are you saying that if LE arrives on the scene where someone is lying dead on the ground from a gunshot wound and there is a person standing over the victim with a smoking gun in their hand that LE should not draw the conclusion it was a murder but instead investigate it as a suicide?

Or are you saying that if LE arrives on the scene of a robbery and a person is standing beside a closed store with a broken store window with a TV set in their hands that police should not draw the conclusion the person stole it but should instead treat it as a legitimate sale?

LE are trained investigators and some have years of experience so if a LE officer draws a conclusion about a crime scene I think that we should give their opinion of said crime scene much more weight than we would of say, a stockbroker.

Sometimes it is just obvious to LE officers who arrive on the scene of a crime what happened. So yes first impressions of the officers on the scene does matter.

JMO

I said that police first impressions of a crime scene don't trump a complete investigation. If they did, we wouldn't need coroners or courts.

And I said I don't think police should be weighing in on manner of death with the press while an investigation is ongoing. When they do, it creates a storm and suggests to some, such as the Sherman family, that the police have a first impression single focus that might compromise discovery of other evidence. Maybe that was true in this case. Maybe it wasn't. No idea.

 

[JayFriend]

So if Honey was moved and everyone is posting how hard it would be to move her, how was she moved?

Any ideas?

Two killers would not have a problem doing that.

 

[Grace.212]

Here is the article for those who can't see if on the original site.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex-faces-uncertainty-after-founders-mysterious-death-1514476204
By ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex...s-mysterious-death-1514476204#comments_sector


TORONTO—The path forward for Apotex Inc. is uncertain following the sudden death of founder and chairman Barry Sherman, who was the architect of the generic drugmaker’s litigation-heavy strategy.
Mr. Sherman, 75, and his wife, Honey, 70, were found dead in their Toronto mansion Dec. 15. They died from what police said was “ligature neck compression,” a type of strangulation.
As thousands of people mourned the deaths at the couple’s funeral last week, people familiar with Apotex said Mr. Sherman had been its heart, largely because he set the tone for its aggressive litigation approach.

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[Sherlockhemlock]

On the evening of Dec. 13, a day and a half before his body&#8217;s discovery, Mr. Sherman sent an email to an Apotex executive at 8:30 p.m., according to a person familiar with the matter. He didn&#8217;t come to work on Dec. 14&#8212;a rare occurrence for a man described by his own son as a workaholic. https://www.wsj.com/articles/apotex-faces-uncertainty-after-founders-mysterious-death-1514476204

This is interesting, he sent an email at 8:30 pm, that would be the night of the death?

If true it’s quite interesting and could tell investigators quite a bit. About timeline if nothing else. I wonder if he regularly communicated via email.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

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Thanks, Grace! But just an FYI, we're only supposed to post 10% of any article. Don't be surprised if there's a mod snip.

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