Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #5

[Grey-St]

I agree, if markings on the wrists is the only reason Klatt; et. al believe there is evidence of a professional hit/contract killing. His team is experienced and should know better than that. Personally, I'd view the wrist ties and belts as indications of premeditation, but not necessarily a professional hit.

Contrary to current consensus, I see no evidence so far that the Sherman double homicide was done by professional hitmen.

I wonder whether the unusual method of restraining the victims with their coats might have been misinterpreted as some kind of professionalism? IMO, its the kind of thing a bar-room bouncer or schoolyard bully would do.

I fully agree with this. The wrist markings surely support a double-homicide theory, but I don't see any evidence so far of a professional hit. I'm wondering what it is exactly that makes them support this detail?

 

[Tighthead]

I fully agree with this. The wrist markings surely support a double-homicide theory, but I don't see any evidence so far of a professional hit. I'm wondering what it is exactly that makes them support this detail?

I would like to know the official pathologist’s opinion on the wrist marks. He/She may not agree agree that they were from being restrained.

 

[JDG]

Hazels' post, #17, kind of says it all. IMO

Christie Blatchford gets another award for telling it like it is! IMO

I would have thought Team Sherman would not have wanted all kinds of tantalizing leaks though. I am surprised. IMO

Anything to keep it 'top of the fold' I guess. IMO

 

[ldlager]

I fully agree with this. The wrist markings surely support a double-homicide theory, but I don't see any evidence so far of a professional hit. I'm wondering what it is exactly that makes them support this detail?

because that is what they have been hired to conclude. Imo

 

[ldlager]

Christie Blatchford:
Private investigators in Sherman case share police penchant for leaks
If it wasn’t a story so irredeemably sad and awful, it might be funny. Instead, it’s merely rich with irony






Full article: http://nationalpost.com/opinion/chr...-sherman-case-share-police-penchant-for-leaks

As usual, Christie is spot on

 

[Grey-St]

because that is what they have been hired to conclude. Imo

Not really, imo.

Regardless, if you believe they were hired to come to one conclusion, and one conclusion only, coming to a double-homicide conclusion would suffice. I don't know where the professional hit narrative is coming from, or what difference it makes. It's still double-homicide either way.

 

[Tighthead]

Not really, imo.

Regardless, if you believe they were hired to come to one conclusion, and one conclusion only, coming to a double-homicide conclusion would suffice. I don't know where the professional hit narrative is coming from, or what difference it makes. It's still double-homicide either way.

How do you mean either way? What are the two either/or options?

 

[Hazel]

Originally Posted by Tarika; post#1011
Steve Ryan states it is totally irresponsible to state a double murder by a professional hit because of marks on the Sherman’s wrists without having the totality of the information the TPS have. Totally irrational is what I think as well.

I agree, if markings on the wrists is the only reason Klatt; et. al believe there is evidence of a professional hit/contract killing. His team is experienced and should know better than that. Personally, I'd view the wrist ties and belts as indications of premeditation, but not necessarily a professional hit.

Contrary to current consensus, I see no evidence so far that the Sherman double homicide was done by professional hitmen.

I wonder whether the unusual method of restraining the victims with their coats might have been misinterpreted as some kind of professionalism? IMO, its the kind of thing a bar-room bouncer or schoolyard bully would do.

Found the direct link to that Cp24 VIDEO clip: https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=1309168

What's driving alternate theory about Shermans?

 

[pamelado2]

Christie Blatchford:
Private investigators in Sherman case share police penchant for leaks
If it wasn’t a story so irredeemably sad and awful, it might be funny. Instead, it’s merely rich with irony






Full article: http://nationalpost.com/opinion/chr...-sherman-case-share-police-penchant-for-leaks

"Team Sherman has a complement of seven, counting Greenspan, compared with the Toronto force, which has more than 7,000 employees, officers and civilians."

Sorry, to me she sounds unprofessional and biased.

We're to believe LE has 7000 people working this case? And that includes civilians?

Was she all up in arms when the original "leaks" happened in Frank mag, etc?

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[Sillybilly]

Unless there is some known fact to support a theory about students and specific local high schools, please leave that theory/speculation out of the discussion.

Thanks.

 

[nuff]

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Sorry, to me she sounds unprofessional and biased.



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As always.

 

[Tighthead]

"Team Sherman has a complement of seven, counting Greenspan, compared with the Toronto force, which has more than 7,000 employees, officers and civilians."

Sorry, to me she sounds unprofessional and biased.

We're to believe LE has 7000 people working this case? And that includes civilians?

Was she all up in arms when the original "leaks" happened in Frank mag, etc?

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Obviously she isn’t suggesting that 7,000 people are working the case.

Columnists have opinions and biases. Look at how the Star and CBC handled the information they were fed.

 

[deugirtni]

Here you go...

“Original photographs of the exterior of the scene (showed) a real-estate lock box which are notoriously easy to open.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-someone-could-have-entered-shermans-home-lawyer

Interesting that in the article linked above, 2 members of Klatt's team are named as: "Four members of Thomas Klatt Investigations, including retired 30-year Toronto Police veterans Martin Woodhouse and John McGown, were canvassing the neighbourhood on Tuesday."

But in CB's latest article, the 'Sherman Team' is said to have 7 members, with all of them being named, - and those 2 above names are not included. Did one or the other writer have incorrect info? Or have at least 2 of the team members already been replaced?

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/chr...-sherman-case-share-police-penchant-for-leaks

 

[pamelado2]

Obviously she isn’t suggesting that 7,000 people are working the case.

Columnists have opinions and biases. Look at how the Star and CBC handled the information they were fed.

She is actually - she uses a direct comparison:

"Team Sherman has a complement of seven, counting Greenspan, compared with the Toronto force, which has more than 7,000 employees, officers and civilians."

Why did she even bother saying that?



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[Grey-St]

Not really, imo.

Regardless, if you believe they were hired to come to one conclusion, and one conclusion only, coming to a double-homicide conclusion would suffice. I don't know where the professional hit narrative is coming from, or what difference it makes. It's still double-homicide either way.

How do you mean either way? What are the two either/or options?

A double-homicide committed by a professional hit (third party), or a double-homicide committed directly by the perpetrator(s).

 

[nuff]

A double-homicide committed by a professional hit (third party), or a double-homicide committed directly by the perpetrator(s).

I think there's a third option, just a variation on the first, but it might explain some of the peculiar aspects of the case - a double-homicide committed by *amateur* third parties on behalf of the perpetrator(s).

 

[Grey-St]

"Team Sherman has a complement of seven, counting Greenspan, compared with the Toronto force, which has more than 7,000 employees, officers and civilians."

Sorry, to me she sounds unprofessional and biased.

We're to believe LE has 7000 people working this case? And that includes civilians?

Was she all up in arms when the original "leaks" happened in Frank mag, etc?

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Lol, yeah that choice of wording annoyed me also. There is not 7000 folks working the case. It's likely relative to the 7 people on "team Sherman".

 

[Grey-St]

She is actually - she uses a direct comparison:

"Team Sherman has a complement of seven, counting Greenspan, compared with the Toronto force, which has more than 7,000 employees, officers and civilians."

Why did she even bother saying that?



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She's pushing a narrative implying that "team Sherman" is inferior to TPS. Or she's trying to at least.

 

[lclabtech]

She's pushing a narrative implying that "team Sherman" is inferior to TPS. Or she's trying to at least.

I thought she was trying to make the point that any of those TPS employees can view the initial call and blab about it without direct knowledge of the case, without ever being present at the scene or even being police officers. And so a leak from an anonymous “police source” isn’t really a reflection of the actual investigative team assigned to the case - comparatively a much smaller investigative team can also have leaks.

 

[Tighthead]

A double-homicide committed by a professional hit (third party), or a double-homicide committed directly by the perpetrator(s).

So you don’t think murder suicide is a possibility? What ruled it out for you?